Environmental Hysteria:

worldworld Posts: 266
edited December 2006 in A Moving Train
Really good look at the whole environmental scare. I tend to agree with most of Penn/Tellers ideas.

Interesting to see the founder and leader of Greenpeace actually leave Greenpeace because it became a bunch of bullshit.

link to youtube.com video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4480559399263937213&q=penn+and+teller+bullshit
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  • world wrote:
    Really interesting look at the whole environmental scare. I tend to agree with most of Penn/Tellers ideas.

    link to youtube.com video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4480559399263937213&q=penn+and+teller+bullshit

    This is from Penn & Teller's Bullshit series. They are hilarious. The best part is the lady who is living in the tree, to save it, and her little tree house is made out of wood. The people in these videos are idiots.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I have a lot of respect for Penn & Teller. Especially concerning that particular episode. I did a lot of my own research and it seemed to correlate with what they were saying.

    On the other hand though. I watched their episode on "conspiracy theories" and while I was really excited to see what they said. They didn't interview any of the big names. Rather they interviewed total lunatic morons.

    You would think if you were going to do a show on Conspiracy Theories you would interview Alex Jones, John Connor or some of the other big names. Like that guy, shit, I can't remember his name, the professor from BYU. Instead they interviewed some crazy mofos.

    They seem to get good names on their side like Michael Shermer from the Skeptics society, or the co-founder of Green Peace. But when they interview the opposition they are all morons, like that chick at the Green Peace protest or the chick that lived in the tree.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    I have no idea who these people are (Penn and Teller) but I found that funny. Kind of.
    I just wanted to point out something they got wrong. They said environmentism had nothing to do with capitalism/globalisation/corportations. Well if you look at the argument from the point of view of a wealthy occidental never leaving his home town except for tourism once a year, it's a valid argument.
    Thing is globalisation is bad for the environment :
    - oil tankers
    - international corporation who get rid of chemical waste in third world countries
    - necessity to make profits for agronomical companies (read gmo here) wich often lead to the "infection" of natural strains by modified ones (I have yet to read a conclusive (and scientifically correct) report on the absence of danger with gmo).
    "Do we still have water to drink? Check" :
    Ask that to african populations.
    Fact is industrialised countries waste shitloads of food and water, meanwhile people in third world countries are starving and have no access to water. This issue seems (imo at least) environmental (food and water production are not infinite) and political.

    The part on H2O was funny.
  • Kann wrote:
    I have no idea who these people are (Penn and Teller) but I found that funny. Kind of.
    I just wanted to point out something they got wrong. They said environmentism had nothing to do with capitalism/globalisation/corportations. Well if you look at the argument from the point of view of a wealthy occidental never leaving his home town except for tourism once a year, it's a valid argument.
    Thing is globalisation is bad for the environment :
    - oil tankers
    - international corporation who get rid of chemical waste in third world countries
    - necessity to make profits for agronomical companies (read gmo here) wich often lead to the "infection" of natural strains by modified ones (I have yet to read a conclusive (and scientifically correct) report on the absence of danger with gmo).
    "Do we still have water to drink? Check" :
    Ask that to african populations.
    Fact is industrialised countries waste shitloads of food and water, meanwhile people in third world countries are starving and have no access to water. This issue seems (imo at least) environmental (food and water production are not infinite) and political.

    The part on H2O was funny.

    Globalisation is evil and controling.... fear = control
    Penn & Teller = just 2 mens opinions (like my opinion and yours).
    and World Peace
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Kann wrote:
    I have no idea who these people are (Penn and Teller) but I found that funny. Kind of.
    They're comedians...
  • worldworld Posts: 266
    redrock wrote:
    They're comedians...

    Actually they are magicians. They do a show 6 nights a week in Las Vegas.

    But, they are also big time atheists and skeptics. Penn has a syndicated radio show.
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  • And I see they are big fans of the Michael Moore school of editing and cutting parts out of clips. And also picking the dumbest people possible to make wide assertions with.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    world wrote:
    Actually they are magicians. They do a show 6 nights a week in Las Vegas.

    But, they are also big time atheists and skeptics. Penn has a syndicated radio show.

    True.... my mistake... I did see them in their magic show.. very different kind of magic...
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    redrock wrote:
    True.... my mistake... I did see them in their magic show.. very different kind of magic...

    Their magic is comical, they like to show you how they do their magic.

    Of course eveyone knows magic is all optical illusions and sleight of hand.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • There hardcore libertarians, pro-choice, pro-drug atheists. There hillarious yes, but they have quite an extensive research team and producers who fact check all their shit.

    I don't know why the video was edited, I watched the animal rights one too and it was shortened also. The first three seasons are on dvd, absolutely hillarious and shocking.

    Environmental hysteria, Genetically modified foods, animal rights, recycling and the UFO one were the best.

    The animal rights one has got the michigan madman in it. Awesome!!
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  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Their magic is comical, they like to show you how they do their magic.

    Of course eveyone knows magic is all optical illusions and sleight of hand.

    what?! you mean there is no such thing as magic?? :(
  • yeah, so? some trees are more valuable than others (i'm a forester, btw).

    so she made a house out of, probably, some douglas-fir grown in a plantation in the northwest, or some pine grown in a plantation in the southeast, to protect and OLD GROWTH tree that is likely hundreds of years old. do ya get it now?

    But all trees have feelings. How is it ok to sacrifice one tree for another? Would it be ok for us to sacrifice a smelly bum or a test tube baby for a nobel prize winner? Trees are like people they are all valuable.

    That is the response I would expect to hear from sheri moonbeam or what ever her name was. I could care less if she makes a tree house. I just find it funny that she says all trees have feelings, yet she uses a TREE to build her little fort. I also hope she wasn't using any nails to put that thing together. I'm sure the tree was "feeling" those nails. Maybe that's why the
    tree was "crying with sap."

    Thanks for your insight Ranger Rick.
  • yeah, so? some trees are more valuable than others (i'm a forester, btw).

    so she made a house out of, probably, some douglas-fir grown in a plantation in the northwest, or some pine grown in a plantation in the southeast, to protect and OLD GROWTH tree that is likely hundreds of years old. do ya get it now?

    I saw it man, it wasn't pressboard, they were huge sheets of plywood. She's just a hypocrite, smelly hippie dipshit who (what do you know) wrote a book.
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  • worldworld Posts: 266
    It was hilarious to see the tree lady talk about the tree being upset over the the tree's friends being cut down. Then the ex-Greenpeace founder says she is just plain stupid and wrong.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    world wrote:
    It was hilarious to see the tree lady talk about the tree being upset over the the tree's friends being cut down. Then the ex-Greenpeace founder says she is just plain stupid and wrong.

    He said "that's pretty well kindergarten talk"

    I love that part.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • HoonHoon Posts: 175
    The tree lady is Julia. She wasn't trying to state a scientific fact. She was expressing a religious belief.
    If you keep yourself as the final arbiter you will be less susceptible to infection from cultural illusion.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    Julia Butterfly Hill is nut.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    world wrote:
    Really good look at the whole environmental scare. I tend to agree with most of Penn/Tellers ideas.

    Interesting to see the founder and leader of Greenpeace actually leave Greenpeace because it became a bunch of bullshit.

    link to youtube.com video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4480559399263937213&q=penn+and+teller+bullshit


    I don't understand what's wrong with linking environmentalism with anti-corporatism. Over-consumption is certainly the root cause of environmental destruction.

    They picked on a few young adults here who were inexperienced and alarmist to a fault. The real bullshit here is that they neglected a pool of thousands of well-spoken experienced environmentalists that know their facts.

    Also, do they really believe environmentalism died out after 1971 and just suddenly reappeared in 2003??
  • worldworld Posts: 266
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    I don't understand what's wrong with linking environmentalism with anti-corporatism. Over-consumption is certainly the root cause of environmental destruction.

    They picked on a few young adults here who were inexperienced and alarmist to a fault. The real bullshit here is that they neglected a pool of thousands of well-spoken experienced environmentalists that know their facts.

    Also, do they really believe environmentalism died out after 1971 and just suddenly reappeared in 2003??

    Dont you think that professor of Environmental Journalism was one of the well-spoken experienced environmentalist that know their facts?
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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    world wrote:
    Dont you think that professor of Environmental Journalism was one of the well-spoken experienced environmentalist that know their facts?


    that one professor...
  • Kenny Olav wrote:
    that one professor...

    The doc was on people that follow the movement, idiots who tried to ban water and what not. Not about the leaders of these movements. They used the "experts" as potatoes for the meat.
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