Ron Paul questions?

slightofjeff

eekamouse wrote:

You are right. But what happens next? All his supporters just give up, shut the fuck up, and go home and cry?

Probably the same thing that happened to ralph nader supporters after 2000. Where were those 2 million people in 2004? Where are they now?

Commy

eekamouse wrote:

Nope. Actually strict enforcement of property rights laws would handle alot of that.

All of those evil coporations you refer to are getting tax breaks and bail outs and all kinds of bullshit from our government. That and NAFTA prevents the little guy from exporting goods to compete with these larger coporations.

Trade-wise... fuck it. Let the market decide. That doesn't mean you let them break the law. But you don't help em out or give em breaks. I trust the average small business owner's enginuity over a monolothic central govt.

Right corporatations are given handouts by gov't- it is a neoliberal construct I understand that. But this is what you get from a free market. They tried capitalism, it failed. See the great depression. the only way to keep the system alive was gov't bailouts.

Your idea of a true free market society would lead to gov't involvement anyway, its how power works. Whoever controls the resources ends up in charge, its how its always been. You may start with a free market but unregulated it will lead to massive concentrations of power, much like we are seeing today.

Their is an alternative. Democracy. We should try it sometime.

A democratic institution (gov't,corporate) would give people the power, insofar as they have meaningful participation in the decision making process.

DriftingByTheStorm

Here's some tasty nuggets about NAFTA and also CFR.

Yay Rockefeller! They are so philanthropic those guys!

Oh.
You DID catch the last part, right?

Why would he not mention that huh?
I thought the CFR was this great organization, right?
You should be proud, DICK Cheney!

:rolleyes:

sweetpotato

dontloseyourheat wrote:

I want to know how people can support a candidate that doesn't believe in evolution.

He seems to be a well educated man yet he lets his religion trump science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw

see, that in a nutshell (and i use that term for a reason) is the MAIN reason i couldn't possibly support ron paul. no one who is running the most powerful nation on earth should still be in denial about evolution. it's practically a litmus test for stupidity, imo.

sweetpotato

eekamouse wrote:

...But what happens next? All his supporters just give up, shut the fuck up, and go home and cry?...

with a little luck, yep.

Im still here

dontloseyourheat wrote:

I want to know how people can support a candidate that doesn't believe in evolution.

He seems to be a well educated man yet he lets his religion trump science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw

because Evolution is wrong....... that's why......

if you think we came from monkeys i feel sorry for you

Kann

sweetpotato wrote:

with a little luck, yep.

Especially the "shut the fuck up" part. Ron Paul supporters are most of the time so blinded by their faith that contradictions do not bother them much.
I understand the IMF and the WTO are your big enemies but understand this : true free trade = market rules = pure competition. Do you honestly think american workers will accept to compete with 1$/day kids in southeast asia? Free trade will do a lot but not stop the outsourcing.
As for the environment, recycling costs more money than plain dumping so without laws you can bet that corporations looking to be competitive will not ponder too much on that question.

edit : ^^ to the guy above me, things like this are definitely not helping out ron paul.

Im still here

Kann wrote:

Especially the "shut the fuck up" part. Ron Paul supporters are most of the time so blinded by their faith that contradictions do not bother them much.
I understand the IMF and the WTO are your big enemies but understand this : true free trade = market rules = pure competition. Do you honestly think american workers will accept to compete with 1$/day kids in southeast asia? Free trade will do a lot but not stop the outsourcing.
As for the environment, recycling costs more money than plain dumping so without laws you can bet that corporations looking to be competitive will not ponder too much on that question.

edit : ^^ to the guy above me, things like this are definitely not helping out ron paul.

so you actually believe we came from Monkeys

hahahahaha

Wake Up!!!!!!!!

Kann

Im still here wrote:

so you actually believe we came from Monkeys

hahahahaha

Wake Up!!!!!!!!

Before bashing evolution you should actually make an effort to understand evolution. It is quite interesting.

Im still here

Kann wrote:

Before bashing evolution you should actually make an effort to understand evolution. It is quite interesting.

I have, why don't you start with where Darwin got his money for research.....

That would be a good start for you to understand why they want you to believe it........

You picked the wrong person, I'm very educated

Try again.....

Kann

Im still here wrote:

You picked the wrong person, I'm very educated

If you were that educated then you'd understand that nowhere in the evolution theory does it state that we "come from monkeys", neither did Darwin state this. Where he (Darwin) got the financing is moot, first of all because it was 300 years ago and second of all because Darwin seemed profoundly christian - which he states in his "origin of the species", third of all Darwin was not the only naturalist of his time to put the evolution theory on paper. And finally, even if we did "come from monkeys", what is so unbelievably wrong about that?

This has nothing to do with ron paul anyways, unless you actually are a mccain supporter trying to give ron paul a bad name on internet forums. In this case, I hope you are paid for this.

Im still here

Kann wrote:

If you were that educated then you'd understand that nowhere in the evolution theory does it state that we "come from monkeys", neither did Darwin state this. Where he (Darwin) got the financing is moot, first of all because it was 300 years ago and second of all because Darwin seemed profoundly christian - which he states in his "origin of the species", third of all Darwin was not the only naturalist of his time to put the evolution theory on paper. And finally, even if we did "come from monkeys", what is so unbelievably wrong about that?

This has nothing to do with ron paul anyways, unless you actually are a mccain supporter trying to give ron paul a bad name on internet forums. In this case, I hope you are paid for this.

lmao

the idea that we "Evolved" from Monkeys is the conerstone of Evolution

what an idiot.......

Im still here

Darwin's Theory of Evolution - A Theory In Crisis
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is a theory in crisis in light of the tremendous advances we've made in molecular biology, biochemistry and genetics over the past fifty years. We now know that there are in fact tens of thousands of irreducibly complex systems on the cellular level. Specified complexity pervades the microscopic biological world. Molecular biologist Michael Denton wrote, "Although the tiniest bacterial cells are incredibly small, weighing less than 10-12 grams, each is in effect a veritable micro-miniaturized factory containing thousands of exquisitely designed pieces of intricate molecular machinery, made up altogether of one hundred thousand million atoms, far more complicated than any machinery built by man and absolutely without parallel in the non-living world." [5]

And we don't need a microscope to observe irreducible complexity. The eye, the ear and the heart are all examples of irreducible complexity, though they were not recognized as such in Darwin's day. Nevertheless, Darwin confessed, "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." [6]

Source http://www.allaboutscience.org/darwins-theory-of-evolution.htm

Darwin even admits himself that Evolution is flawed

like I said, EDUCATE YOURSELF

WTF???????

Im still here

bump

it's funny how a thread dies when it's the complete truth

Anon

Im still here wrote:

bump

it's funny how a thread dies when it's the complete truth

perhaps they are all off reading the bible as you suggested. even though 'you know it's a hard read for someone of their intelligence' as you so lovingly pointed out.

and that’s it for now.
sorry, never been too good at happy endings.

Im still here

Pj_Gurl wrote:

perhaps they are all off reading the bible as you suggested. even though 'you know it's a hard read for someone of their intelligence' as you so lovingly pointed out.

and that’s it for now.
sorry, never been too good at happy endings.

ok, ok

I see you point....

I apologize if I offended anyone

Peace, Love, and Pearl Jam

Kann

Im still here wrote:

the idea that we "Evolved" from Monkeys is the conerstone of Evolution

Ok, let's say the debate on evolution theory ends here, obviously we're not speaking of the same thing.

Im still here

Kann wrote:

Ok, let's say the debate on evolution theory ends here, obviously we're not speaking of the same thing.

how so?

Im still here

Kann wrote:

Ok, let's say the debate on evolution theory ends here, obviously we're not speaking of the same thing.

Here's a diagram of Evolution

Monkey to Man

http://www.faculty.iu-bremen.de/birk/lectures/PC101-2003/06mboards/site/files/images/evolution.jpg

What are you talkin about?

sweetpotato

Im still here wrote:

lmao

the idea that we "Evolved" from Monkeys is the conerstone of Evolution

what an idiot.......

it makes much more sense to believe in some mystical creature who formed us out of clay in exactly the form we're in now, right?