Middle class will be gone soon!

Spinbrett

There is no way the democrats will stop it from happening. Most jobs now require high levels of education. The factory jobs are almost gone. One out of four high school students do not graduate. Many companies are getting away from college loans because of the slow pay-back. The federal loans for college top out at 22,000. You will basically have the Burger King Workers, and the college educated. Nothin in between.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

well, its good to be a Have.

Cosmo

And... this is something that is news to us?

Commy

Spinbrett wrote:

There is no way the democrats will stop it from happening. Most jobs now require high levels of education. The factory jobs are almost gone. One out of four high school students do not graduate. Many companies are getting away from college loans because of the slow pay-back. The federal loans for college top out at 22,000. You will basically have the Burger King Workers, and the college educated. Nothin in between.

minimum wage hasn't gone up in relation to inflation in 40 years, that might have something to do with it. Add to that the ceo's exponential increase in salary and the high cost of a living and, yeah.

economic levels are similar to what they were in the 20's. Right about the time the people stood up amd took back what was theirs.

the people can only be pushed so far.

Cosmo

Spinbrett wrote:

There is no way the democrats will stop it from happening. Most jobs now require high levels of education. The factory jobs are almost gone. One out of four high school students do not graduate. Many companies are getting away from college loans because of the slow pay-back. The federal loans for college top out at 22,000. You will basically have the Burger King Workers, and the college educated. Nothin in between.

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Look at the bright side... you will have a college graduate serving you your Whopper Combo.

yoke

I like to consider myself lower middle trash

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

what the hell am i gonna do with all these Middle Class t-shirts and coffee mugs?!?!?!

i'm ruined

JordyWordy

MrSmith wrote:

what the hell am i gonna do with all these Middle Class t-shirts and coffee mugs?!?!?!

i'm ruined

put em in storage, they'll be good again in 90 years once things go full circle

LikeAnOcean

Great, because there's nothing like having more money than you need or being dirt poor.

SpreadtheJAM

Good thing i'm upper class...Close one.

SpreadtheJAM

Spinbrett wrote:

There is no way the democrats will stop it from happening. Most jobs now require high levels of education. The factory jobs are almost gone. One out of four high school students do not graduate. Many companies are getting away from college loans because of the slow pay-back. The federal loans for college top out at 22,000. You will basically have the Burger King Workers, and the college educated. Nothin in between.

First off having a bachelors degree does not automatically elevate you out of middle class. Some Burger King workers probably have more of a savings account than i do and they are not necissarily lower class . Granted they don't have a 100,000 dollar education.

Second, Go to a fucking state university and get an inexpensive education and make the most of it. Not that hard anymore to go to college. In fact its easier than ever.

People are advancing themselves everyday and they do it on their own, but whenever someone falls on some difficult times or has some obstacles in their way its always somebody elses problem or somebody elses fault. Why is it never "My" fault anymore?

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SpreadtheJAM wrote:

People are advancing themselves everyday and they do it on their own, but whenever someone falls on some difficult timesor has some obstacles in their way its always somebody elses problem or somebody elses fault. Why is it never "My" fault anymore?

I don't think it's a matter of "fault". I think life is complex and each individual's personal experience is created by various intersecting factors. While it's obviously true that everyone has choices, one's choices are limited or expanded by external factors as well.

Flannel Shirt

I consider myself part of the working poor, formerly known as the middle class.

decides2dream

Spinbrett wrote:

There is no way the democrats will stop it from happening. Most jobs now require high levels of education. The factory jobs are almost gone. One out of four high school students do not graduate. Many companies are getting away from college loans because of the slow pay-back. The federal loans for college top out at 22,000. You will basically have the Burger King Workers, and the college educated. Nothin in between.

firstly, i'd like to know why it's ONLY democrats who you consider resoponsible?

secondly...while sure, college is becoming more and more a 'necessity' for many, many well-paying jobs....even right NOW...tis not the only way. there are still some highly skilled fields out there, sans college education, that pay well. the 'crafts' mostly...electrician, plumber, carpenter, etc. few more beyond that too that i am sure i am not thinking of. anyhoo..as ever, it's not an 'all or nothing' approach.


but sure, keeping crying the sky is falling. it's worked well thus far.

Kel Varnsen

decides2dream wrote:

. there are still some highly skilled fields out there, sans college education, that pay well. the 'crafts' mostly...electrician, plumber, carpenter, etc. few more beyond that too that i am sure i am not thinking of. anyhoo..as ever, it's not an 'all or nothing' approach.

I don't know about in the US, but here in Canada there is a massive shortage of skilled trades workers. If you are a skilled electrician or welder you can make a nice living right now. I am an engineer and I work with a lot of trademen and alot of them make more than I do. Plus if you move the the alberta oil fields with that type of experience you can make truckloads of cash.

Commy

we have a ton of skilled carpenters and electricians and plumbers out of work atm, as the real estate boom went to shit. I know a few that could use some work...

decides2dream

Commy wrote:

we have a ton of skilled carpenters and electricians and plumbers out of work atm, as the real estate boom went to shit. I know a few that could use some work...

i could utter that phase for just about ANY field.....there are always people looking for work. sure, the *boom* may be over, but i know plenty of skilled craftspeople still with lots of work, etc. so yes, i fail to see the 'point' there in regards to this discussion?



going with the OP's points, i just don't buy it. i don't 'blame
' the democrats anymore than anyone else....and quite honestly, it's a natural evolution of our workplace and demands for skilled workers. all i pointed out beyond that is there will ALWAYS be demand for 'skilled workers' that do NOT require a college degree, just learned skills. education of some form or another pretty much is a necessity to creat a better life...whether learning a trade or earning a college degree...

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

as far as the diploma thing is concerned, the more people who get a higher education, the more useless it will be. even if everyone has degree, someone still has to unclog the shitter and refill the toilet paper!

blackredyellow

decides2dream wrote:

there are still some highly skilled fields out there, sans college education, that pay well. the 'crafts' mostly...electrician, plumber, carpenter, etc. few more beyond that too that i am sure i am not thinking of.

Totally... I have a bachelor's degree and a decent job, but it took me until I was over 30 to get my loans paid off and to make a decent salary. I think that if I had to do it again, I would have became an electrician. With those types of trades, not only can you make a decent living, but there will always be work. And a lot of those guys make good cash doing side jobs as well.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Time to kick the money lenders out of the temple...

predatory usury...

Kids get out of school owing a mortgage (in and around $100,000 is not unusual)... that's f-ed..

The cost of living has gone up 200-300% and wage increases have been essentially 0%.

The govt must be sinister to let this shit go on.