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Is it possible to live without leaders?

SpinbrettSpinbrett Posts: 251
edited May 2008 in A Moving Train
I say NO, even the native americans had chiefs.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    thats a bold stance. :)
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    I guess this is a way of acknowledging, albeit fearfully, that Obama is inevitably your next leader, Spinbrett. ;)

    Well, you could find an outlying island off the west coast of Ireland. You might find a couple of puffins here and there, but they won't bother you. Hell, they might even follow you! ;)
  • SpinbrettSpinbrett Posts: 251
    puffins are cute
  • BetterThanYouBetterThanYou Posts: 853
    Spinbrett wrote:
    puffins are cute

    taste like chicken.
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Spinbrett wrote:
    I say NO, even the native americans had chiefs.


    Certainly, Humans were originally self led hunters and gatherers just like all the other animals. The social construct that we live in simply requires the structure.

    If you have the knowledge and the freedom from society of course it's easily possible to live without leaders. Self reliance, you simply have to have your own will and ability to lead yourself. Ask yourself what they are for anyway. To provide direction? Do you really need someone to steer your ship for you? Why not figure out how to do it for yourself?

    It is not however possible to have a controlled, safe society without some kind of structure which includes leadership.
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  • justamjustam Posts: 21,412
    I think men might be bashing their heads even more often without 'em.
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    It is of course possible to live without leaders... only if you live on your own or with your family but then either you're the leader of yourself or the head of the family is the leader. Any group of people changes naturally to allow one person to lead... you can see this in any social experiment. The leader may change over the course of time but there will usually be one leader.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Spinbrett wrote:
    I say NO, even the native americans had chiefs.

    I agree with you...

    as an example, look at Irak...sure, Saddam was a horrible leader/person....but he did provide some semblance of leadership and he provided structure and security (please know, I'm not saying his tactics and style were any good)...

    I watched Frontline's Bush's War...which outlined the chaos after the fall of Saddam...the Iraqi people had no leader, no structure, no security...which lead to looting and chaos...and lead to the problems we see today...people were and are desperate for someone, anyone to fill the void...a fella like Sadr steps up...(again, he's not a good person, but he's a leader)....

    I guess we could also point to the chaos after Katrina as another example of what happens without a leader....
  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    inmytree wrote:
    I agree with you...

    as an example, look at Irak...sure, Saddam was a horrible leader/person....but he did provide some semblance of leadership and he provided structure and security (please know, I'm not saying his tactics and style were any good)...

    I watched Frontline's Bush's War...which outlined the chaos after the fall out Saddam...the Iraqi people had no leader, no structure, no security...which lead to looting and chaos...and lead to the problems we see today...people were and are desperate for someone, anyone to fill the void...a fella like Sadr steps up...(again, he's not a good person, but he's a leader)....

    I guess we could also point to the chaos after Katrina as another example of what happens without a leader....
    in a world without laws nobody would know who is good and who is out to get whatever they can from them so everyone would simply be out for themselves and their families when survival is all you live for.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    in a world without laws nobody would know who is good and who is out to get whatever they can from them so everyone would simply be out for themselves and their families when survival is all you live for.

    yup....
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    Spinbrett wrote:
    I say NO, even the native americans had chiefs.


    i dont get the use of the 'even the native americans had chiefs'... were they the worlds worst or greatest civilisation?

    even Chuck Norris cries at Bambi... now that i can understand... but 'even the native americans had chiefs' .. :confused:
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • ArmsinaVArmsinaV Posts: 108
    Spinbrett wrote:
    I say NO, even the native americans had chiefs.

    "Even the native americans.." Why do we see native americans so idealistically? Why is that stereotype so accepted? As if they lived some sort of romantic, mystical existence that we should strive for.

    Let's see: Slavery? Yes. Sexism? Yes. Constant war? Yes.

    Just because we feel bad about genocide (which we should) doesn't mean we should paint them in the same, unhistorical fashion.
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  • SundaySilenceSundaySilence Posts: 536
    ArmsinaV wrote:

    Let's see: Slavery? Yes. Sexism? Yes. Constant war? Yes.

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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Spinbrett wrote:
    I say NO, even the native americans had chiefs.
    Spain pre franco was leaderless. It was a very good example of anarchism. It was removed by force.

    We can live without leaders. PEople are smarter than most give them credit for.
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