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US Supreme Court allows UDV consumption of DMT

AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
edited November 2007 in A Moving Train
This is from Dec. 2004, but I found it interesting....

Supreme Court wrote:
Members of respondent church (UDV) receive communion by drinking
hoasca, a tea brewed from plants unique to the Amazon Rainforest
that contains DMT, a hallucinogen regulated under Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act, see 21 U. S. C. §812(c), Schedule I(c). After U. S. Customs inspectors seized a hoasca shipment to the American UDV and threatened prosecution, the UDV filed this suit for declaratory and injunctive relief, alleging, inter alia, that applying
the Controlled Substances Act to the UDV’s sacramental hoasca use violates RFRA.

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/04-1084.pdf

The ruling is that UDV can consume a Schedule I drug under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (RFRA).
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  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    its just a hop skip and a jump from relgious freedom to personal "recreational" freedom, right?

    doh.

    Yay DMT.

    I've only done it once myself, and it was pretty crazy to say the least.

    I saw a B. Caapi root in a "smart drug" shop in Amsterdam earlier this year.
    Made me think about it all the more.

    Some day i'll try it again.

    Maybe grow some phalaris grass or something.

    ;)
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    its just a hop skip and a jump from relgious freedom to personal "recreational" freedom, right?

    It seems that way for some people. While for others it's denied.

    There was a group called The Church of the Universe who attempted to legally smoke pot saying it's a religious right. But they've been repeatedly denied. Apparently in order to have religious beliefs you must have a history in ancient times. Dumb.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • malabogiamalabogia Posts: 59
    I wish I had that kind of religious freedom in my country :)
    "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." Robert Pirsig
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    malabogia wrote:
    I wish I had that kind of religious freedom in my country :)

    Me. too.

    But I'm not UDV or whatever. I think it's dumb, you can do whatever you want if you believe it's part of your religion, which is a spiritual thing. But if you just want to do something for spiritual grounds then you may be restricted by law, since it's not a religion with ancient roots.

    If you are atheist like me, then you get shafted the worst. You get a big corporate Canada money roller up your ass. You get pulled over for wearing a black jacket or driving a Honda Civic.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • malabogiamalabogia Posts: 59
    hmm...I wonder if someone in USA wants to sacrifice a human claiming that he is a follower of an ancient religion (I think Aztecs were doing that, but I may be wrong), what would the US courts do since you say it must be a religion with ancient roots :)
    "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." Robert Pirsig
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    malabogia wrote:
    hmm...I wonder if someone in USA wants to sacrifice a human claiming that he is a follower of an ancient religion (I think Aztecs were doing that, but I may be wrong), what would the US courts do since you say it must be a religion with ancient roots :)

    I might do that. I don't have cannibalist roots, but I'm sure I could come up with something. I'll be like that guy in Germany that ate that other guy that wanted to be eaten. Damn, I can't remember his name.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • malabogiamalabogia Posts: 59
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I might do that. I don't have cannibalist roots, but I'm sure I could come up with something. I'll be like that guy in Germany that ate that other guy that wanted to be eaten. Damn, I can't remember his name.

    Sick bastard...His name is Armin Meiwes. He first cut the penis of the victim and they ate it together.
    You can read the details here
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3286721.stm
    "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." Robert Pirsig
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    malabogia wrote:
    Sick bastard...His name is Armin Meiwes. He first cut the penis of the victim and they ate it together.
    You can read the details here
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3286721.stm

    Oh, I know the details ;)

    I just forgot his name. That's it though, Miewes, such a weird name.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • malabogiamalabogia Posts: 59
    Can you believe that he was only sentenced to 8,5 years in prison main reason cannibalism not being in German laws and the victim's willingness to be killed and eaten!!!
    I think we have no right to criticize US courts for UDV :)
    "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." Robert Pirsig
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It seems that way for some people. While for others it's denied.

    There was a group called The Church of the Universe who attempted to legally smoke pot saying it's a religious right. But they've been repeatedly denied. Apparently in order to have religious beliefs you must have a history in ancient times. Dumb.

    I met a reverend from that sect. Still have his business card. He had some tasty candy treats. Smelled like grape hubba bubba...
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    malabogia wrote:
    Can you believe that he was only sentenced to 8,5 years in prison main reason cannibalism not being in German laws and the victim's willingness to be killed and eaten!!!
    I think we have no right to criticize US courts for UDV :)


    I can't really argue that sentencing. Clearly both participants were mentally ill and both were willing.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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