Causality or Causation - The Fundamental Fact Plainly Explained

Rats of Multa

Ahnimus wrote:

That doesn't make any sense to me. Give me experimental conditions for accessing this "what is" or "truth"?

any experimentation can only occur in your own head, sir, except that it can occur in mine or in Angelica's or in the homeless guy sleeping under an overpass 4 blocks from your apt.,.. etc.

Wynn Bullock wrote:

"Searching is everything - going beyond what you know. And the test of the search is really in the things themselves, the things you seek to understand. What is important is not what you think about them, but how they enlarge you."

"What I feel is that the picture-taking process, anyway a greater part of it, is an intuitive thing. You can't go out and logically plan a picture, but when you come back, reason then takes over and verifies or rejects whatever you've done. So that's why I say that reason and intuition are not in conflict--they strengthen each other."

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not in accepting truths as absolute, but in creating the new realities of each moment may an edge of Being become knowledge.~15october07~.

chopitdown

Kann wrote:

How could I rest assured that causality rules the entire universe? The more we seem do discover the less we seem to know. I'm not sure everyone really understands the implications of the discoveries of the various fields in science (let alone the discoveries themselves), so having arrogant certitudes is nice but should be reserved to 18th century philosophers.

that reminds me of a quote a former professor of mine used to say. "The bigger the island of knowledge, the greater the shore of ignorance"."

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

That's an interesting way of avoiding a discussion. But I don't find it particularly productive.

I have difficulty with your approach, because rather than addressing some concrete theory with logical arguments. You tend to talk about some integrated wholeness that is untouchable, yet somehow provides insight to you. I find I rarely take anything from it.

But it is an interesting fact, one that I feel has ample explanation from empricism. It seems true, that we gather information about our environments and formulate or acquire certain views, from that point on we tend to ignore or subvert arguments or evidence to the contrary and focus on those that support our perspective. Fortunately many of the books I have read draw on opposing views and present counter-arguments for them. Additionally I will occasionally read literature which is contrary to my perspective, however, I find in most cases the arguments are the same, oft repeated ones.

Are there specific points within the articles that you contest?

1) was this a discussion? it looked more like a syllabus.

2) i agree with your criticism of her approach, but you share the same flaws. just the other day you were attempting valiantly to use determinism to explain world poverty in the same amusingly pathetic way christians try to use genesis to explain speciation.

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

I don't even know why I bother with this board. The mods will let you fucks say anything you want, be total pests and irritate the hell out of people. But when I retaliate I get banned, it's so fucking disgusting. This page is a clique of ignorant fucks all patting each others backs for being so loving and caring without realizing that loving and caring alone doesn't solve many problems. You can be sympathetic for the rapee, but that won't stop the next guy from commiting rape. You need to sit down and learn what the fuck actually makes a rapist and then you can stop it and you won't have to worry about victims cause their won't be any. But everyone on this page has a victim complex.

there will always be rapists. there will always be murder. there will always be theft. it is human nature and has been since we switch to purely upright mobility. even if science figured out what caused it and could flawlessly spot the necessary genes, most wouldn't accept the cure. the only way to accomplish this kind of utopia is a 1984-style autocracy, which people will fight. humans would rather be free to fuck up than slaves to perfection.