Miss Teacher Bangs A Boy

AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
edited October 2006 in A Moving Train
On south park S10E10

Did anyone else watch it?

If you missed it, you can watch it here

It's pretty accurate, I mean all the different perspectives are given. You may or may not be suprised how the story ends. ;)
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    In-case anyone is wondering, the link is perfectly legal.

    You can watch all of the South Park episodes in streaming flash at http://www.allsp.com

    I just posted this one because it aired last night I think and it touches a real issue we have been discussing here.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    ...and that issue is that you don't know what a pedophile is. You think it's some kind of legal definition. You can post all of the psychological definitions you want, buy they still do not even remotely touch on the mindset of a pedophile.

    The woman in the southpark episode is not a pedophile. In fact, that's what the episode is about. It's illustrating the differences between the way men and women view sex. She focused on Ike because she thought Ike was the man she had always been looking for. Pedophiles don't think children are the adults they've always been looking for.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    sponger wrote:
    ...and that issue is that you don't know what a pedophile is. You think it's some kind of legal definition. You can post all of the psychological definitions you want, buy they still do not even remotely touch on the mindset of a pedophile.

    The woman in the southpark episode is not a pedophile. In fact, that's what the episode is about. It's illustrating the differences between the way men and women view sex. She focused on Ike because she thought Ike was the man she had always been looking for. Pedophiles don't think children are the adults they've always been looking for.

    Dude, Ike was in kindergarten.

    A Pedophile by N. American definition is anyone that has sexual relations with an adolescent. In the biological sense it's a person who is attracted to adolescence. That paper I posted yesterday explains that the public interpretation of the word is wrong, but it is very much a mental disorder.

    In other parts of the world the term is slightly different and is synonymous with Ephebophelia.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Dude, Ike was in kindergarten.

    A Pedophile by N. American definition is anyone that has sexual relations with an adolescent. In the biological sense it's a person who is attracted to adolescence. That paper I posted yesterday explains that the public interpretation of the word is wrong, but it is very much a mental disorder.

    In other parts of the world the term is slightly different and is synonymous with Ephebophelia.
    Main Entry: pe·do·phil·ia
    Pronunciation: "pe-d&-'fi-lE-&, 'pE-
    Function: noun
    Etymology: New Latin
    : sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object

    http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/pedophilia
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    Main Entry: pe·do·phil·ia
    Pronunciation: "pe-d&-'fi-lE-&, 'pE-
    Function: noun
    Etymology: New Latin
    : sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object

    That is what I said :rolleyes:

    What do you think? Do you honestly believe the teachers think it through and think they will lead happy lives of everlasting love with someone 25 years younger than them?

    Let's see, hmmm, anyone have any examples of this actually being successful? Anyone know a 40 year old guy that met his wife when he was 15 and she was 40? I guess that would make her 75 when he is 40.

    Well, my uncle Randy was 40 when he married an 18 year old and they are still together. They have two kids. Of course they split up several times, she moved across the country a couple of times and they fought a lot. Do I think it's worth it? hmmm no.

    The reasons these women are attracted to young men is biological, it's nothing to do with them being soul mates. Since it's biological it's pedophelia or ephebophelia.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    By the way at the end of the southpark episode. Kyle talks to Ike and reminds him that he has his whole life ahead of him. Ike ditches the teacher and she commits suicide.

    This is to say that Ike never really cared that much to begin with he just like the feeling of being with her, but he wasn't ready to die over and she was.

    So any teachers out there falling in love with students, remember they are going to abandon you in time.

    Love is a chemical addiction, refer to http://people.howstuffworks.com/love.htm for a quick explanation.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    ahnimus i agree...thats twice in 2 days.
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That is what I said :rolleyes:

    What do you think? Do you honestly believe the teachers think it through and think they will lead happy lives of everlasting love with someone 25 years younger than them?

    Let's see, hmmm, anyone have any examples of this actually being successful? Anyone know a 40 year old guy that met his wife when he was 15 and she was 40? I guess that would make her 75 when he is 40.

    Well, my uncle Randy was 40 when he married an 18 year old and they are still together. They have two kids. Of course they split up several times, she moved across the country a couple of times and they fought a lot. Do I think it's worth it? hmmm no.

    The reasons these women are attracted to young men is biological, it's nothing to do with them being soul mates. Since it's biological it's pedophelia or ephebophelia.
    I was just clarifying your definition. A pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to a PRE-adolescent. I thought your statement "A Pedophile by N. American definition is anyone that has sexual relations with an adolescent" was confusing. I was unable to find a North American dictionary with any such definition, so I'm not sure where that came from. If you meant it's fallen into common improper usage, I agree, but you already have a thread about the bastardization of the English language.

    That's all, carry on.
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  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    What about sex with the elderly? Is that ok? ( i just opened up a huge can of worms)
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    miller8966 wrote:
    What about sex with the elderly? Is that ok? ( i just opened up a huge can of worms)

    I can't say that there is technically anything wrong with people of any age having sex. Just that they should be aware of the biosocial reasonings behind love, attraction and lust and the differences between them...

    My main point is that society tends to view pedo- and ephebophelia as exclusively a male issue. When in reality it is something that affects both sexes. The differences between the emotional states may be related to sociology, but society is just a brainwashing mechanism. If we disregard the teachings of soceity in general we can view the reality of the situation.

    Part of my case being that words such as "perversion" and "deviation" or "pedophelia" have strongly negative interpretations. Even "homosexuality" has been skewed by society. All are very closely related. Society at large is the primary reason we persecute people instead of treating them or making a genuine effort to understand them.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • What about that one chick? Can't remember her name or if she was a teacher but it was a big story several years ago. She got pregnant by the young boy, think he was 14, she had sex with and once he was old enough they got married and they still are married. If she was really a pedophile wouldn't she have moved on after he got older because he was no longer an "adolescent"? I personally think to some degree it's possible for people like that to be in love. This falls into one of those shady gray areas no one likes to think about.

    The IKE thing is way impossible and gross since he's in kindergarden and not physically mature in any way, but tell me what 14 year old boy isn't constantly thinking about sex? In the past marriages were arranged and people as young as 12 were married off. We are sexually mature at 12-13 and can produce off spring. Animals in nature produce offspring as soon as it is possible. Humanity does lots of bad things because we think we are better than all the other animals. Not that I'm endorsing sex with kids. I just think sometimes there are gray areas when dealing with these issues as there are with every issue imaginable. Just something to think about.
    The reason the main stream is thought of as a stream is because it's so shallow. -George Carlin-
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    What about that one chick? Can't remember her name or if she was a teacher but it was a big story several years ago. She got pregnant by the young boy, think he was 14, she had sex with and once he was old enough they got married and they still are married. If she was really a pedophile wouldn't she have moved on after he got older because he was no longer an "adolescent"? I personally think to some degree it's possible for people like that to be in love. This falls into one of those shady gray areas no one likes to think about.

    The IKE thing is way impossible and gross since he's in kindergarden and not physically mature in any way, but tell me what 14 year old boy isn't constantly thinking about sex? In the past marriages were arranged and people as young as 12 were married off. We are sexually mature at 12-13 and can produce off spring. Animals in nature produce offspring as soon as it is possible. Humanity does lots of bad things because we think we are better than all the other animals. Not that I'm endorsing sex with kids. I just think sometimes there are gray areas when dealing with these issues as there are with every issue imaginable. Just something to think about.

    I'd be interested to see a link to the story you mentioned.

    Of course the Ike thing is impossible. I think what they are pointing out is that there is no way for us as a society to deal with these gray areas. Every case would have to go to trial and we'd have to try to find jurors that weren't bias on the topic, which is highly improbably. I think it's just a lot easier to have a legal age of consent and it isn't that hard for people to follow really, unless they have a disorder like pedophelia.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    So here it is, a dozen definitions of pedophelia from my friend wikipedia

    The word comes from the Greek paidophilia (παιδοφιλία)—pais (παις, "child") and philia (φιλία, "love, friendship"). Paidophilia was coined by Greek poets as a substitute for "paiderastia" (pederasty).[2]

    The term paedophilia erotica was coined in 1886 by the Vienna psychiatrist Richard von Krafft-Ebing in his writing Psychopathia Sexualis.[3] He gave the following characteristics:

    the sexual interest is toward children, either prepubescent or at the beginning of puberty
    the sexual interest is the primary one, that is, exclusively or mainly toward children
    the sexual interest remains over time
    Strictly speaking, this definition would include many adolescents and prepubescents, for whom such an interest might be normal; thus, some experts add the criterion that the interest be toward children at least five years younger than the subject. See entry for sexologist Dr. John Money.

    Krafft-Ebing also categorized child molesters into three types:

    a.) pedophile,
    b.) surrogate (that is, the child is regarded as a surrogate object for a preferred, non-available adult object)
    c.) sadistic.
    Other researchers used their own terms for the Krafft-Ebing categories:

    a.) preferential/structured/fixed (i. e. pedophile) type,
    b.) situational/opportunistic/regressed/incest (i. e. surrogate) type
    c.) sadistic (no change)
    This three-type model as well as the fundamental mental and behavioural differences of the three types were empirically evidenced, among others, by Kinsey; Howells 1981;[4] Abel, Mittleman & Becker 1985;[5] Knight et al. 1985;[6] Brongersma 1990;[7] McConaghy 1993;[8] Ward et al. 1995;[9] Hoffmann 1996;[10] Seikowski 1999.[11]

    Use of the term pedophile to describe all child sexual offenders is seen as problematic by some people,[12][13][14] especially when viewed from a medical standpoint, as the majority of sex crimes against children are perpetrated by situational offenders rather than people sexually preferring prepubertal children.[15][16][17] Nevertheless, some researchers, such as Howard E. Barbaree,[18] have endorsed the use of actions as a sole criterion for the diagnosis of pedophilia as a means of taxonomic simplification, rebuking the American Psychiatric Association's standards as "unsatisfactory".

    Some individuals,[19][20] such as Dr. Fred S. Berlin,[21][22] assert sexual attraction to children to be a sexual orientation in itself. Berlins asserts, "I think it can be both a disorder and an orientation."[23] Dan Markussen, spokesman for Danish Pedophile Association, argues that "sexual orientation is defined as a lifelong attraction, which pedophilia obviously is."[23]

    Ephebophilia, also known as hebephilia, is the condition of being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to adolescents. These terms are used in contrast with pedophilia; however pedophilia is sometimes used more broadly in the western world to describe both ephebophilia and attraction to younger children, that is, any person younger than the legal age of consent. Ephebophilia is a term of recent coinage, and does not have broad academic acceptance as constituting a paraphilia.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • seanw1010seanw1010 Posts: 1,205
    one of the better new south park episodes.


    "dawgs Crew"-calssic
    they call them fingers, but i never see them fing. oh, there they go
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    I'd be interested to see a link to the story you mentioned.

    Of course the Ike thing is impossible. I think what they are pointing out is that there is no way for us as a society to deal with these gray areas. Every case would have to go to trial and we'd have to try to find jurors that weren't bias on the topic, which is highly improbably. I think it's just a lot easier to have a legal age of consent and it isn't that hard for people to follow really, unless they have a disorder like pedophelia.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_LeTourneau

    Believe that's who he's talking about.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_LeTourneau

    Believe that's who he's talking about.

    Very very interesting...

    It's interesting that he was in her 2nd grade class. That's pretty young. They got together when he was 13 and she was 33. She went to Jail and his family sued the school, but lost.

    "In 2000, Fualaau's family sued the town where he attended school for emotional suffering, lost wages, and the costs of rearing his two children, claiming the school had failed to protect him from Letourneau. The jury ruled against them and no damages were awarded."

    Then they got married when she was released from prison. That's pretty hardcore man.

    Seems like they both had some issues. Vili Fualaau was also later convicted of drunk driving. That may or may not be indicative of his instability. Good story anyway, thanks.

    It kind of reminds me of Charles Starkweather and his 12 year old girlfriend that went on a killing spree with him and killed 11 people including her parents and her 2 year old sister.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • "You know what this is...This is the mase they use on bears faggot, now let me see your hall pass....Alright cool brah. Go with Christ.

    "You Just Dealt with the dawg, bitch."
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    rigneyclan wrote:
    "You know what this is...This is the mase they use on bears faggot, now let me see your hall pass....Alright cool brah. Go with Christ.

    "You Just Dealt with the dawg, bitch."

    Cartman reminds me a lot of one of my cousins, only smarter.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    That is what I said :rolleyes:

    What do you think? Do you honestly believe the teachers think it through and think they will lead happy lives of everlasting love with someone 25 years younger than them?

    Let's see, hmmm, anyone have any examples of this actually being successful? Anyone know a 40 year old guy that met his wife when he was 15 and she was 40? I guess that would make her 75 when he is 40.

    Well, my uncle Randy was 40 when he married an 18 year old and they are still together. They have two kids. Of course they split up several times, she moved across the country a couple of times and they fought a lot. Do I think it's worth it? hmmm no.

    The reasons these women are attracted to young men is biological, it's nothing to do with them being soul mates. Since it's biological it's pedophelia or ephebophelia.


    In truth a paedophile is someone who thinks about sexual acts with pre-adolescents - it is the pederast who acts upon such impulses.....
    H
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    In truth a paedophile is someone who thinks about sexual acts with pre-adolescents - it is the pederast who acts upon such impulses.....
    H

    Yea, yea. But in N. America, when someone says "That guy is a convicted pedophile" they mean he had sex or molested a person under the age of consent. I know the clinical definition is different, that's what I was saying. That's why we have this new word Ephebophile, which is someone that simply desires to do it.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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