Nambla

Ahnimus

Brutal, I honestly just thought this was something Stone & Parker made up for Southpark, but I guess not.

soulsinging

it isnt?

norm

The North American Man/Boy Love Association

Freedom of speech and free assembly can only be taken so far.

Brez

I knew that this organization was real, but I never really got how it worked. Is it just a bunch of perverted old men saying how they love boys? I mean, what could they possibly do, what their association is about is illegal, it's rape if the "boy" is 16 or under. What could they possibly talk about at meetings???

These are the things my messed up mind thinks about when I hear shit like this...

Ahnimus

The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a New York City and San Francisco-based unincorporated organization that opposes the use of age as the sole criterion for deciding whether minors can legally engage in sexual relations. NAMBLA defends what it asserts to be the right of minors to explore their sexuality on a much freer basis. It has resolved to "end the oppression of men and boys who have freely chosen mutually consenting relationships", and calls for "the adoption of laws that both protect children from unwanted sexual experiences and at the same time leave them free to determine the content of their own sexual experiences."[1] NAMBLA's webpage states that 'NAMBLA does not provide encouragement, referrals or assistance for people seeking sexual contacts' and that it does not "engage in any activities that violate the law . . . [or] advocate that anyone else should [violate the law]."[2]

There is an annual gathering in New York City and monthly meetings around the country.[3] In the early 1980s, NAMBLA was reported to have had over 300 members, and was supported by such noted figures as Allen Ginsberg.[4] Since then, the organization has kept membership data private, but an undercover FBI investigation in 1995 discovered that there were 1,100 people on the rolls.[4] It is the largest organization in the umbrella group IPCE[5] (formerly "International Pedophile and Child Emancipation").[6]

Since 1995, public criticism and law enforcement infiltration have heavily impaired the organization. Its national headquarters now consists of little more than a private mail box service in San Francisco, and inquiries are rarely responded to. It has essentially ceased to exist. Some reports state that the group no longer has regular national meetings and few local monthly meetings.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambla

Ahnimus

I kind of sort of see what they are getting at. I mean ephibophelia and pedophelia are paraphilias that people don't exactly choose to have. They are lifelong sexual orientations. Yet, I don't agree with legalization. But I think we should research better treatment than lobotomization.

Ahnimus

The extent to which pedophilia occurs is not known with any certainty. Some studies have concluded that at least a quarter of all adult men may have some feelings of sexual arousal in connection with children.[29] Freund et al. (1972) remarked that "with males who have no deviant object preferences, clearly positive sexual reactions occur to [nude] 6- to 8-year old female children."[30]

In 1989 Briere and Runtz conducted a study on 193 male undergraduate students concerning pedophilia. Of the sample, 21% acknowledged sexual attraction to some small children; 9% reported sexual fantasies involving children; 5% admitted masturbating to these fantasies; and 7% conceded some probability of actually having sex with a child if they could avoid detection and punishment. These sexual interests were associated with negative early sexual experiences, masturbation to pornography, self-reported likelihood of raping a woman, frequent sex partners, and attitudes supportive of sexual dominance over women. The authors also noted that "given the probable social undesirability of such admissions, [one could] hypothesize that the actual rates ... were even higher."[31]

A study by Hall et al. of Kent State University found that 32.5% of their sample — 80 adult male volunteers, 20% of whom reported some attraction to prepubescent girls — exhibited sexual arousal to heterosexual pedophilic stimuli that equaled or exceeded their arousal to the adult stimuli.[32]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#Occurrence_in_child_sex_offenders

jlew24asu

This is something that the ACLU (or one of the organizations that fights for "freedom") defends as freedom of speech.

the only vocal critic I have hear and heard strongly about this disgusting group of pedophiles is Bill OReilly. One of the main reasons why I support oreilly.

it sickens me to know this exists.

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

I kind of sort of see what they are getting at. I mean ephibophelia and pedophelia are paraphilias that people don't exactly choose to have. They are lifelong sexual orientations. Yet, I don't agree with legalization. But I think we should research better treatment than lobotomization.

what?????? you kind of see what they are getting at??????

I dont think im going to get into a conversation about this with you

Skitch Patterson

Im not the thought police.

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

This is something that the ACLU (or one of the organizations that fights for "freedom") defends as freedom of speech.

the only vocal critic I have hear and heard strongly about this disgusting group of pedophiles is Bill OReilly. One of the main reasons why I support oreilly.

it sickens me to know this exists.

It should be covered under freedom of speech, IMO.

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

what?????? you kind of see what they are getting at??????

I dont think im going to get into a conversation about this with you

Yea, they are advocating that it's a lifelong sexual orientation, technically a paraphilia and something is obviously wrong with their brains. Although NAMBLA tries to justify it and legalize it, that I don't agree with.

dharma69

Ahnimus wrote:

Brutal, I honestly just thought this was something Stone & Parker made up for Southpark, but I guess not.

When that episode first aired I was nearly on the floor with laughter...

Only they could come up with something so outrageously funny that revolves around something that's not.

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

Yea, they are advocating that it's a lifelong sexual orientation, technically a paraphilia and something is obviously wrong with their brains. Although NAMBLA tries to justify it and legalize it, that I don't agree with.

ok fine. but they should not be allowed to have this organization exist. and if any members are caught they should be jailed for a long time. and if treatment is necessary, they dont leave jail until the problem is fixed

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

ok fine. but they should not be allowed to have this organization exist. and if any members are caught they should be jailed for a long time. and if treatment is necessary, they dont leave jail until the problem is fixed

That sounds fair.

Ahnimus

dharma69 wrote:

When that episode first aired I was nearly on the floor with laughter...

Only they could come up with something so outrageously funny that revolves around something that's not.

It was a pretty damn funny episode.

Last Exodus

Ahnimus wrote:

Brutal, I honestly just thought this was something Stone & Parker made up for Southpark, but I guess not.

Yup. And that South Park episode was fucking hysterical!

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a New York City and San Francisco-based unincorporated organization that opposes the use of age as the sole criterion for deciding whether minors can legally engage in sexual relations. NAMBLA defends what it asserts to be the right of minors to explore their sexuality on a much freer basis. It has resolved to "end the oppression of men and boys who have freely chosen mutually consenting relationships", and calls for "the adoption of laws that both protect children from unwanted sexual experiences and at the same time leave them free to determine the content of their own sexual experiences."[1] NAMBLA's webpage states that 'NAMBLA does not provide encouragement, referrals or assistance for people seeking sexual contacts' and that it does not "engage in any activities that violate the law . . . [or] advocate that anyone else should [violate the law]."[2]

There is an annual gathering in New York City and monthly meetings around the country.[3] In the early 1980s, NAMBLA was reported to have had over 300 members, and was supported by such noted figures as Allen Ginsberg.[4] Since then, the organization has kept membership data private, but an undercover FBI investigation in 1995 discovered that there were 1,100 people on the rolls.[4] It is the largest organization in the umbrella group IPCE[5] (formerly "International Pedophile and Child Emancipation").[6]

Since 1995, public criticism and law enforcement infiltration have heavily impaired the organization. Its national headquarters now consists of little more than a private mail box service in San Francisco, and inquiries are rarely responded to. It has essentially ceased to exist. Some reports state that the group no longer has regular national meetings and few local monthly meetings.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambla

only boys eh? how unfair of them... what about those poor sexually oppressed young girls?

tybird

"Dude!! You have sex with Childern!!!!!"

Scubascott

Ahnimus wrote:

But I think we should research better treatment than lobotomization.

Huh? Who's advocating that?

NCBRI

When I saw the Southpark episode, I thought it was just something they had made up also. Since then, I have seen them mention the organization on The Daily Show a few times. Was shocked to find out it really exists.

dharma69

NCBRI wrote:

When I saw the Southpark episode, I thought it was just something they had made up also. Since then, I have seen them mention the organization on The Daily Show a few times. Was shocked to find out it really exists.

That's what made that episode so outlandish to me....actually knowing that the organization was nowhere near anything as innocuous as the National Marlon Brando Lookalike Association.

And damned if that episode didn't get people to pay attention to the real issue. Those guys are genius at a frightening level.

Ahnimus

Scubascott wrote:

Huh? Who's advocating that?

wikipedia wrote:

Treatment

A number of proposed treatment techniques for pedophilia have been developed. Many regard pedophilia as highly resistant to psychological interference and have dismissed as ineffective most "reparative strategies."[38] Others, such as Dr. Fred Berlin, believe pedophilia can "indeed be successfully treated," if only the medical community would give it more attention.[23] The reported success rate of modern "reparative" treatment on pedophiles is very low.[38]

Non-medical therapies

Treatment strategies for pedophilia include a "12 step support system," parallel to addiction therapy, though such a system is generally regarded as the least efficacious method of treatment.[citation needed]

Another approach is cognitive-behavioral therapy. Usually, this is done by telling the pedophile to fantasize about sexual contact with children, and then, once aroused, they are given instructions to imagine the assumed legal and social consequences of such an action.[citation needed]

Medical therapies

Anti-androgenic medications such as Depo Provera may be used to lower testosterone levels, and are often used in conjunction with the non-medical approaches above. This is commonly referred to as "chemical castration."

Other programs induce an association of illegal behavior with pain by means of the more controversial aversion therapy, in which the pedophile is given an electric shock while fantasizing.[39] A study by the Council on Scientific Affairs found that the success rate of aversion therapy was parallel to that of homosexual reparative therapy.[40] This method is rarely used on pedophiles who have not offended.

[size=+1]Convicted sex offenders, including many pedophiles and homosexuals, have been treated by the psychosurgical procedure commonly known as lobotomization. Psychosurgery has long been controversial, particularly the historical use of surgical intervention on homosexuals given that homosexuality is no longer considered a mental illness by the psychiatric community[/size] (see for instance Rieber et al. 1976;[41] Sigusch 1977;[42] Rieber & Sigusch 1979;[43] Schorsch & Schmidt 1979)[44]

[size=+1]Thalamotomy is an alternative surgical treatment of sex offenders in practice since the problems with leucotomy have been commonly known[/size] (see Greist 1990;[45] Diering & Bell 1991;[46] Hay & Sachdev 1992;[47] Rappaport 1992;[48] de la Porte 1993;[49] Poynton 1993;[50] Bridges et al. 1994;[51] Cummings et al. 1995)[52] [size=+1]and is increasingly advertised as an "effective therapy" for sex offenders (as well as for some children suffering from symptoms of child sexual abuse, since the 1980s [/size](see for instance Andy 1970;[53] Bradford 1988a;[54] Wyre & Swift 1991;[55] Abel et al. 1992;[56] Bridges et al. 1994;[51] Cummings et al. 1995).[52][size=+1] As and Curfman have noted, however, given the availability of psychopharmacological treatment options, psychosurgical interventions are not likely to be employed given their extreme side effects and irreversible nature. See the same article for an in depth review of treatment options and diagnostic criteria. Additionally Reid 2002 writes that neurosurgery for sex offenders is "essentially unavailable" in the United States and that data on its use is sparse[/size].[57]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#Treatment

Well, ok, so it's not very popular. But it gave me a reason to post this wiki. This is the kind of stuff I think people should be aware of. I mean, lobotomization for convicted homosexuals. Look at how far we have come in understanding how people work. Yet, we are still stigmatizing these things and holding extreme hatred towards victims of clinical conditions. Pedophilia, is a paraphilia.

wikipedia wrote:

Psychology of paraphilias

Behavioral imprinting

Observation of paraphiliac behavior has provided valuable scientific information on the mechanisms of sexual attraction and desire, such as behavioral imprinting. Careful investigation has also led to the tentative conclusions that normal biological processes may sometimes be manifested in idiosyncratic ways in at least some of the paraphilias, and that these unusual manifestations are frequently associated with unusual (and especially traumatic) events associated with early sexual experience. They tend to be caused by classical conditioning in that a sexual stimulus has been paired with stimuli and situations that do not typically result in sexual response and has then been perpetuated through operant conditioning because the sexual response is its own reward or positive reinforcement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia#Clinical_definition

So yeah, just want people to read that shit, to know what they are really talking about when they attack a person with that condition. Sure what they've done is horrible, that doesn't change the fact they are people.