It's amazing how blatantly obvious this can be, has been and will be going forward. And they still get away with it.
I guess people just ignore it, and then you say the media is involved and they just think your a conspiracy nut. Well most of the guys that wrote those PNAC documents and collaborated with the administration are journalists and editors of major newspapers.
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You have to ask... 'Who benefits?'
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Regular Joe Iraqi? No.
Regular Joe U.S. Army Guy? No.
Regular Joe American? No.
Big Money Oil? Yes.
Iraqi Politicians Who Make The Deal in Favor Of Money And Power? Yes.
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The Iraqi Government officials make kickback deals, just like all politicians. And when you are talking about a resource that many nations NEED... you have to be either naive, an idiot or turn a blind eye that corruption in not going to take place... especially in the Middle East.
You don't seriously believe that those Iraqi officials give a rat's ass about our troops... or their citizens, do you?
Why wouldn't it benefit the Iraqi citizens like other countries in the MIDDLE EAST, Quatar, Kuwait etc. The citizens in those countries are extremely wealthy and well taken care of due to oil profits given back to the citizens and profits pumped into the infastructure. We don't need to occupy Kuwait or Quatar.
Regular Iraqi: possibly, if copying Kuwaits, Saudi, UAE or Quatar's lead.
Regular Joe soldier: There not security guards.
Regular Joe American: Supply and demand economics = -$ for us, would you prefer us to drill in ANWAR?
Big money Oil: Of course, could you do it?
Iraqi VIP's: Where aren't back room deals prevalent?
Cosmo said that the oil companies will just sell it to China. And he's right!
Prices for oil in America have increased because of China's increasing demand for oil. If supply increases to match total demand, then the prices can decrease. So, if supply increases in Iraq to match China's demand, that's a good thing for Americans too! Economics is not a zero-sum game folks. Just because the actual oil from Iraq will go to China does not mean the savings is going just to China. It's going to the entire global economy.
Still, we need to find a new energy source so we don't need to deal with OPEC and the rag heads.
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-Enoch Powell
Why wouldn't it benefit the Iraqi citizens like other countries in the MIDDLE EAST, Quatar, Kuwait etc. The citizens in those countries are extremely wealthy and well taken care of due to oil profits given back to the citizens and profits pumped into the infastructure. We don't need to occupy Kuwait or Quatar.
Regular Iraqi: possibly, if copying Kuwaits, Saudi, UAE or Quatar's lead.
Regular Joe soldier: There not security guards.
Regular Joe American: Supply and demand economics = -$ for us, would you prefer us to drill in ANWAR?
Big money Oil: Of course, could you do it?
Iraqi VIP's: Where aren't back room deals prevalent?
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You cited Kuwait and Quatar and Saudi Arabia... Aren't those Monarchies, not Democracies? And unless you are attached to the royal families, you are not wealthy. Why is it that the greatest number of September 11, 2001 hi-jackers came from Saudi Arabia?
So, how is Iraq supposed to turn into Kuwait or Saudia Arabia? Get a King to rule over them, that's how.
Sure, wealth is good in the Middle East... when it is shared. Try to emmigrate to Kuwait and Quatar and gain citizenship over there as a poor laborer... see how far you get. If you are willing to spend a bunch of money, fine, they have no problem with that... but, if it is so great... why aren't more Arabs immigrating there? Because they can't, that's why.
The problem in Iraq is corruption on a grand scale. Couple that with the Centuries old conflict between religios sects and a culture that believes in vengence and you've got a huge, steaming pile of shit on your hands.
The best way to steer clear of Middle Eastern bullshit... either ween yourself off of the resources they sell... or... just buy the fucking oil at market prices and say, 'Thank you', instead of getting yourself all tangled up in their socio/political affairs. How about using our advanced technology to create a different fuel source to power our automobiles? Sure, it's a long haul, but in the long run... wouldn't it be nice to see China stuck in that fucked up mire instead of us?
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Hail, Hail!!!
Why wouldn't it benefit the Iraqi citizens like other countries in the MIDDLE EAST, Quatar, Kuwait etc. The citizens in those countries are extremely wealthy and well taken care of due to oil profits given back to the citizens and profits pumped into the infastructure. We don't need to occupy Kuwait or Quatar.
According to the article, the problem is that Iraq will most likely sign production sharing agreements, which put most of the profits into the pockets of oil companies instead of the Iraqi state.
This differs from the arrangement that OPEC countries have, which places the state in control of the oil. I'm assuming this has something to do with fact that OPEC countries somehow managed to facilitate oil production without being at the mercy of foriegn initial investment.
Iraq, on the other hand, has no real government to assert Iraq's stately rights. It is at the mercy of western imperial invaders and drilling contractors that came along with them. The civil war between the shiites and the sunnis probably isn't helping either.
This leaves Iraqi leaders desperate to get production going at whatever cost so that at least some form of stability can be hopefully be achieved. As the article states, the Iraqi government does not have a strong bargaining position.
I think all the US really has to do to leverage cooperation from Iraqi officials is suggest that a reduction in the number of bodyguards is in order.
It really looks like colonialism.
Except this is the 21st century.
And to think some people dare say the international community stops the us from doing the job right...
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I guess people just ignore it, and then you say the media is involved and they just think your a conspiracy nut. Well most of the guys that wrote those PNAC documents and collaborated with the administration are journalists and editors of major newspapers.
Why wouldn't it benefit the Iraqi citizens like other countries in the MIDDLE EAST, Quatar, Kuwait etc. The citizens in those countries are extremely wealthy and well taken care of due to oil profits given back to the citizens and profits pumped into the infastructure. We don't need to occupy Kuwait or Quatar.
Regular Iraqi: possibly, if copying Kuwaits, Saudi, UAE or Quatar's lead.
Regular Joe soldier: There not security guards.
Regular Joe American: Supply and demand economics = -$ for us, would you prefer us to drill in ANWAR?
Big money Oil: Of course, could you do it?
Iraqi VIP's: Where aren't back room deals prevalent?
Supply and demand.
Cosmo said that the oil companies will just sell it to China. And he's right!
Prices for oil in America have increased because of China's increasing demand for oil. If supply increases to match total demand, then the prices can decrease. So, if supply increases in Iraq to match China's demand, that's a good thing for Americans too! Economics is not a zero-sum game folks. Just because the actual oil from Iraq will go to China does not mean the savings is going just to China. It's going to the entire global economy.
Still, we need to find a new energy source so we don't need to deal with OPEC and the rag heads.
-Enoch Powell
You cited Kuwait and Quatar and Saudi Arabia... Aren't those Monarchies, not Democracies? And unless you are attached to the royal families, you are not wealthy. Why is it that the greatest number of September 11, 2001 hi-jackers came from Saudi Arabia?
So, how is Iraq supposed to turn into Kuwait or Saudia Arabia? Get a King to rule over them, that's how.
Sure, wealth is good in the Middle East... when it is shared. Try to emmigrate to Kuwait and Quatar and gain citizenship over there as a poor laborer... see how far you get. If you are willing to spend a bunch of money, fine, they have no problem with that... but, if it is so great... why aren't more Arabs immigrating there? Because they can't, that's why.
The problem in Iraq is corruption on a grand scale. Couple that with the Centuries old conflict between religios sects and a culture that believes in vengence and you've got a huge, steaming pile of shit on your hands.
The best way to steer clear of Middle Eastern bullshit... either ween yourself off of the resources they sell... or... just buy the fucking oil at market prices and say, 'Thank you', instead of getting yourself all tangled up in their socio/political affairs. How about using our advanced technology to create a different fuel source to power our automobiles? Sure, it's a long haul, but in the long run... wouldn't it be nice to see China stuck in that fucked up mire instead of us?
Hail, Hail!!!
According to the article, the problem is that Iraq will most likely sign production sharing agreements, which put most of the profits into the pockets of oil companies instead of the Iraqi state.
This differs from the arrangement that OPEC countries have, which places the state in control of the oil. I'm assuming this has something to do with fact that OPEC countries somehow managed to facilitate oil production without being at the mercy of foriegn initial investment.
Iraq, on the other hand, has no real government to assert Iraq's stately rights. It is at the mercy of western imperial invaders and drilling contractors that came along with them. The civil war between the shiites and the sunnis probably isn't helping either.
This leaves Iraqi leaders desperate to get production going at whatever cost so that at least some form of stability can be hopefully be achieved. As the article states, the Iraqi government does not have a strong bargaining position.
I think all the US really has to do to leverage cooperation from Iraqi officials is suggest that a reduction in the number of bodyguards is in order.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Except this is the 21st century.
And to think some people dare say the international community stops the us from doing the job right...