Analyze This!

Ahnimus

Turn on the news, read a book and you run into these people that have very strong convictions in drastic contrast to logical thought. Yet they stand by them in the face of total exposure. Their behavior is often reminiscent of some of the members of this board. I am speaking in reference to Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson's rants about Liberalism and Canada. Or even Limbaugh's attack on Michael J Fox's clinical condition.

Is this not a mental condition? Should this not be considered a serious problem?

Samples
Ann Coulter
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bFQs9sVvujE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rBJ18FK5ci4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MkZmfxlSRDU

Rush Limbaugh on Michael J Fox
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uEah7_lzsOU

I really don't understand why these people are so popular. Is it just entertainment? Is television exploiting their sickness?

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Turn on the news, read a book and you run into these people that have very strong convictions in drastic contrast to logical thought. Yet they stand by them in the face of total exposure. Their behavior is often reminiscent of some of the members of this board. I am speaking in reference to Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson's rants about Liberalism and Canada. Or even Limbaugh's attack on Michael J Fox's clinical condition.

Is this not a mental condition? Should this not be considered a serious problem?

Samples
Ann Coulter
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bFQs9sVvujE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rBJ18FK5ci4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MkZmfxlSRDU

Rush Limbaugh on Michael J Fox
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uEah7_lzsOU

I really don't understand why these people are so popular. Is it just entertainment? Is television exploiting their sickness?

I have to admit, as a Canadian, I thought the "dog-sledding" bit was funny! Just imagining that anyone seriously thinks that we Canadians generally dog-sled still has me laughing! I'll get to the other clips in a bit.

bubbamackdaddy69

Holy shit...lol...What idiots...Can't believe I haven't seen those clips until tonight... Ann Coulter? What the?.. I'm a conservative but way way different from this chick...I think she needs to get a good fuck or something..then get left behind in the dirt...
Yeah the dog sled part was funny too...then we take coffee breaks in our igloos...LOL

http://youtube.com/watch?v=84EjWeTMBZs

Abookamongstthemany

bubbamackdaddy69 wrote:

Holy shit...lol...What idiots...Can't believe I haven't seen those clips until tonight... Ann Coulter? What the?.. I'm a conservative but way way different from this chick...I think she needs to get a good fuck or something..then get left behind in the dirt...
Yeah the dog sled part was funny too...then we take coffee breaks in our igloos...LOL

http://youtube.com/watch?v=84EjWeTMBZs

She needs food. A nice piece of cheesecake or a banana split with all the toppings.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Is this not a mental condition? Should this not be considered a serious problem?...

Is television exploiting their sickness?

Could you please elaborate on how you see these behaviours as "sickness"?

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

Could you please elaborate on how you see these behaviours as "sickness"?

Well, let's see, they are stuck on a path, won't listen to anyone else, they don't even have anything supporting their opinion, even their own parties disown them. I mean there ideas are just so fucking wack that they must either be insane or on drugs. I think their behavior is quite evident.

bubbamackdaddy69

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

She needs food. A nice piece of cheesecake or a banana split with all the toppings.

and extra extra cream of course...lol

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Well, let's see, they are stuck on a path, won't listen to anyone else, they don't even have anything supporting their opinion, even their own parties disown them. I mean there ideas are just so fucking wack that they must either be insane or on drugs. I think their behavior is quite evident.

Oh their behaviour is evident, however interpretion of that behaviour is a different thing.

Ahnimus

Honestly, I couldn't even have sex with Coulter, she just turns me right off. She may be attractive, but she's just annoying and sickening.

That Laura Schwartz woman is a different story. I'd do her. lol

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

Oh their behaviour is evident, however interpretion of that behaviour is a different thing.

How do you interpret it?

"Godless: The Church of Liberalism"

That's so fucking ignorant and hateful towards atheists. If I could force myself to fuck Coulter, I'd do so and leave her in the dirt, that's the best solution I've heard yet.

Here is a woman that literally wants democrats dead.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

How do you interpret it?

"Godless: The Church of Liberalism"

That's so fucking ignorant and hateful towards atheists. If I could force myself to fuck Coulter, I'd do so and leave her in the dirt, that's the best solution I've heard yet.

Here is a woman that literally wants democrats dead.

If we're going to pathologize people because we don't like them or don't agree with them or simply because they are obnoxious or sensationalistic, that would be a very dangerous way to go, in my opinion. You also said: "Their behavior is often reminiscent of some of the members of this board". The idea of confusing real sickness with behaviour that bothers us would do nothing but a serious disservice to real illness.

If you so dislike hate and sensationalism in others, why would you give yourself permission to say: "If I could force myself to fuck Coulter, I'd do so and leave her in the dirt, that's the best solution I've heard yet".

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

If we're going to pathologize people because we don't like them or don't agree with them or simply because they are obnoxious or sensationalistic, that would be a very dangerous way to go, in my opinion. You also said: "Their behavior is often reminiscent of some of the members of this board". The idea of confusing real sickness with behaviour that bothers us would do nothing but a serious disservice to real illness.

I think this is the misinterpretation with illness. We are all ill, what we identify as "illness" is just extreme cases of the human condition. Coulter definitely fits into that category.

If you so dislike hate and sensationalism in others, why would you give yourself permission to say: "If I could force myself to fuck Coulter, I'd do so and leave her in the dirt, that's the best solution I've heard yet".

Because of the psychological implications of doing so. I wouldn't do it out of animosity, I'd do it for the psychological effects. If there was an alternative short of lobotomization, I'd advocate it.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

I think this is the misinterpretation with illness. We are all ill, what we identify as "illness" is just extreme cases of the human condition. Coulter definitely fits into that category.

We are all flawed and imperfect. You said yourself, you see similar behaviours on this board. Again, we can convince ourselves someone is ill just because we don't like their view, but it doesn't make it true. Illness, particularly psychological illness is much more complicated than being fringe behaviour or views. It has to do with function vs. non-functioning.

Because of the psychological implications of doing so. I wouldn't do it out of animosity, I'd do it for the psychological effects. If there was an alternative short of lobotomization, I'd advocate it.

You don't seem to realize that your own hostility and hatred rival the hatred in what you hate.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

We are all flawed and imperfect. You said yourself, you see similar behaviours on this board. Again, we can convince ourselves someone is ill just because we don't like their view, but it doesn't make it true. Illness, particularly psychological illness is much more complicated than being fringe behaviour or views. It has to do with function vs. non-functioning.

I'm not saying she is ill because her opinions are different than mine. I'm saying she is ill because she is blatantly wrong and when told so she ignores it or acknowledges it, then promptly forgets. She reminds me of my ex who had OCD.

You don't seem to realize that your own hostility and hatred rival the hatred in what you hate.

Are you Ann's sister?

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

I'm not saying she is ill because her opinions are different than mine. I'm saying she is ill because she is blatantly wrong and when told so she ignores it or acknowledges it, then promptly forgets. She reminds me of my ex who had OCD.

First of all, I'm guessing you are in the top few percentile of intelligence. It's then par from the course that you will see a ton of things the average person does not. That makes you exceptional, not the average person sick. The average person doesn't make sense a lot and goes from self-illusion to self-illusion! And not that "smart" people are much better--it's just that "smart" people will tend to see more of these zany patterns while still repeating them, themselves.

Are you Ann's sister?

Are you going to address the point? It seemed as though you are calling these people sick for their ugliness. And then you go on to talk about how you'd like to do something ugly. That looks like a contradiction or hypocrisy to me. I'd love it if you could clear that up so I can understand.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

First of all, I'm guessing you are in the top few percentile of intelligence. It's then par from the course that you will see a ton of things the average person does not. That makes you exceptional, not the average person sick. The average person doesn't make sense a lot and goes from self-illusion to self-illusion! And not that "smart" people are much better--it's just that "smart" people will tend to see more of these zany patterns while still repeating them, themselves.

Are you going to address the point? It seemed as though you are calling these people sick for their ugliness. And then you go on to talk about how you'd like to do something ugly. That looks like a contradiction or hypocrisy to me. I'd love it if you could clear that up so I can understand.

Chances are you aren't going to understand. Judging by how this conversation has unfolded this far, we aren't going to agree. We don't normally anyway. Anyhoo, Ann Coulter is mentally ill.

sponger

Ahnimus wrote:

I'm saying she is ill because she is blatantly wrong and when told so she ignores it or acknowledges it, then promptly forgets. She reminds me of my ex who had OCD.

Are you Ann's sister?

She reminds me of you.

sponger

angelica wrote:

First of all, I'm guessing you are in the top few percentile of intelligence.

Some people on this board actually think that about Ahnimus. It's really one of the strangest occurrences I have ever seen take place on the internet.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Chances are you aren't going to understand. Judging by how this conversation has unfolded this far, we aren't going to agree. We don't normally anyway. Anyhoo, Ann Coulter is mentally ill.

What. You're only willing to discuss this with those with whom the conversation will "unfold" in a way that you'd like it to? aka, those who agree with you?

It's interesting to note that I'm a fairly left-leaning person, too. There is a reason lay-persons are unequipped to diagnose illness or mental health issues.

Ahnimus

sponger wrote:

She reminds me of you.

I've never advocated the death of anyone. And I certainly don't consider Godless to be a bad thing.

If you ever had a face to face conversation with me, you'd so how not excited I actually get about politics and shit. I wouldn't have a chance to talk up on one of these shows man, they'd trample me with their yelling and rambling.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

What. You're only willing to discuss this with those with whom the conversation will "unfold" in a way that you'd like it to? aka, those who agree with you?

It's interesting to note that I'm a fairly left-leaning person, too. There is a reason lay-persons are unequipped to diagnose illness or mental health issues.

Don't give me this layperson shit. I bet I know more about the brain and mind than you do. Your theories are as bad as Coulter's.

And, no, I'd just prefer to converse with someone where the conversation actually unfolds, not this wheel spinning crap. We can't make any compromises because you think there is a big line between mental health and illness and I think that line is very grey.

angelica

sponger wrote:

Some people on this board actually think that about Ahnimus. It's really one of the strangest occurrences I have ever seen take place on the internet.

Having a high IQ doesn't naturally endow someone with insight or understanding, or even common sense however.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Don't give me this layperson shit. I bet I know more about the brain and mind than you do. Your theories are as bad as Coulter's.

My concern is that you don't understand the parameters of diagnosing illness, not as compared to me, but compared to the professionals who are trained to see the lines between difference of opinion and true illness.

And, no, I'd just prefer to converse with someone where the conversation actually unfolds, not this wheel spinning crap. We can't make any compromises because you think there is a big line between mental health and illness and I think that line is very grey.

Suit yourself. I merely need to call out contradiction or fallacy when I see it. How you respond is up to you.

catefrances

i don't think ann coulter is ill. i just think she's a bitch. an influential conservative bitch.

Ahnimus

sponger wrote:

Some people on this board actually think that about Ahnimus. It's really one of the strangest occurrences I have ever seen take place on the internet.

The only thing stranger would be people thinking that about you or Angelica.

Hmm, let's see, you think guys should be assholes so they can get laid. I take that as a big indication, amongst others, that you are a rather self-servant individual. Anytime you reach out to actually help someone, it's for your own gain.

Angelica thinks the universe is motivated by a super-intelligence that interferes with our normal brain process, especially with our frontal insular cortex. Meanwhile she doesn't even know what that is.

Neither of you has a fucking clue, you just talk shit to push your opinions which are baseless.

Sorry if that's blunt, but it's the same crap with you two over and over again.

The behavior of Coulter is far beyond normal behavior. Normally people do not advocate the death of others, Michelle Malkin and her have things in common. They both advocate physical attacks on their opposition. They list addresses and phone numbers on their websites so their "followers" can carry out their dirty work, as if they are prophets acting under God.

Of course, I would also argue that anyone who believes in God has a poisoned brain anyway. So...

jeffbr

angelica wrote:

Having a high IQ doesn't naturally endow someone with insight or understanding, or even common sense however.

This is a key reality that someone with a high IQ will never understand. It is always astonishing to me how someone can be textbook smart, but be unable to understand the application of that knowledge to reality.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

Having a high IQ doesn't naturally endow someone with insight or understanding, or even common sense however.

Common sense is a twisted percept, it's common prejudice. Not sense. And everyone's idea of what is common sense is different, so therefor common sense doesn't actually exist. I thought you'd know that. But your just chucking out punchlines to try to discredit me.

sponger

Ahnimus wrote:

I've never advocated the death of anyone. And I certainly don't consider Godless to be a bad thing.

But, this is what the two of you have in common:

ahnimus wrote:

she is blatantly wrong and when told so she ignores it or acknowledges it, then promptly forgets

Regardless of whatever views you may have, your personality is what is at issue. And in that sense, she and you have much in common.

Abookamongstthemany

jeffbr wrote:

This is a key reality that someone with a high IQ will never understand. It is always astonishing to me how someone can be textbook smart, but be unable to understand the application of that knowledge to reality.

Exactly. What is the possession of all this knowledge really worth when you can't apply it to life? It's like collections...sometimes a nice collection can be cool to have but most of the time it ends up being clutter that gets in the way.

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

i don't think ann coulter is ill. i just think she's a bitch. an influential conservative bitch.

Ok, well, I guess first you need to understand my concept of brain/mind.

I guess that's the problem with this thread. Probably everyone in her has listened to Angelica's newage bullshit for too long. Or they are coming from the ole' religious perspective of soul and choice.

I hope someday people will get wit' the times.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Common sense is a twisted percept, it's common prejudice. Not sense. And everyone's idea of what is common sense is different, so therefor common sense doesn't actually exist. I thought you'd know that. But your just chucking out punchlines to try to discredit me.

Oh, now that the subject is no longer your contradiction, you are looking to debate me?