A lot of what we use comes from animals.

AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
It's true, and it's not just food.

Take Urea, for example, a preservative that is extracted from the bile and blood of animals, it's used in various cosmetics.

Urea's commercial uses also include:

As a raw material for the manufacture of plastics specifically, urea-formaldehyde resin.
As a raw material for the manufacture of various glues (urea-formaldehyde or urea-melamine-formaldehyde). The latter is waterproof and is used for marine plywood.
As a component of fertilizer and animal feed, providing a relatively cheap source of fixed nitrogen to promote growth.
As an alternative to rock salt in the deicing of roadways and runways. It does not promote metal corrosion to the extent that salt does.
As an additive ingredient in cigarettes, designed to enhance flavour.
Sometimes used as a browning agent in factory-produced pretzels.
As an ingredient in some hair conditioners, facial cleansers, bath oils and lotions.
It is also used as a reactant in some ready-to-use cold compresses for first-aid use, due to the endothermic reaction it creates when mixed with water.
Active ingredient for diesel engine exhaust treatment AdBlue and some other SCR systems.
Used, along with salts, as a cloud seeding agent to expedite the condensation of water in clouds, producing precipitation.
The ability of urea to form clathrates (also called host-guest complexes, inclusion compounds, and adducts) was used in the past to separate paraffins.
As a flame-proofing agent.
As a clean burning fuel for motor vehicles and stationary engines.
As a NOx-reducing reactant in combustion exhaust streams, especially diesel.
As an ingredient in many tooth whitening products.

How do you cope with that?
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  • hmm...just say no to carbamides?
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I'm curious if we banned the use of animals for food and non-food products how many industries would fall apart and crumble.

    How many of the luxuries we enjoy today would become economically non-viable. Would we be able to even find substitutes for those products?

    How would society cope with such a drastic change? If we were unable to produce cosmetics that require animal products, like perfumes, lotions, etc...

    Do people that argue in favor of banning animal food products, realize what is in the skin cream they use?
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  • Animal rights activists should lobby to put pictures of slaughtered animals on cosmetics packaging like cigarette pack warnings (and cigarette packs too for that matter apparently).
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  • ReleasHReleasH Posts: 743
    BTW, a lot of the urea that is used in industry is made from ammonia (which is what human livers do naturally) not animals. I'm all for limiting the use of animal products, but its not like we have to boycot all urea products.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Oops, bad example:

    Urea is a nitrogen-containing chemical product which is produced on a scale of some 100,000,000 tonnes per year worldwide.

    Urea is produced commercially from synthetic ammonia and carbon dioxide. Urea can be produced as prills, granules, flakes, pellets, crystals and solutions.

    It turns out some dude found a way of making organic urea from non-organic components. Quite the discovery actually. But this doesn't change the fact that animal parts are used in a wide vareity of non-food commercial products.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Cysteine (mostly in the naturally occurring form L-cysteine) is used for applications in the food, pharmaceutical and personal care industries. One of the largest applications is the production of various flavors. For example, reacting cysteine with sugars in a Maillard reaction yields meat flavors. L-cysteine is also used as a processing aid for baking. Small quantities (in the tens of ppm range) help to soften the dough and thus reduce processing time.

    The cysteine derivative N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) is often used as a cough medicine as it breaks up the disulfide bonds in the mucus and thus liquefies it, making it easier to cough up. NAC is also used as a dietary supplement as already indicated above.

    In the field of personal care, cysteine is used for permanent wave applications predominantly in Asia. Again the cysteine is used for breaking up the disulfide bonds in the hair's keratin.

    Cysteine is a very popular target for site-directed labeling experiments to investigate biomolecular structure and dynamics. Maleimides will selectively attach to cysteine using a covalent michael-addition. Site-directed spin labeling for EPR also uses cysteine extensively.

    In a 1994 report released by five top cigarette companies, cysteine is one of the 599 additives to cigarettes. Its use or purpose, however, is unknown, like most cigarette additives.[4] Its inclusion in cigarettes could offer two benefits: Acting as an expectorant, since smoking increases mucus production in the lungs; and increasing the beneficial antioxidant glutathione (which is diminished in smokers).

    Hangover Treatment
    Cysteine has been linked to aiding in the remedy of certain hangover symptoms. It directly counteracts the poisonous effects of acetaldehyde, a particularly toxic by-product of alcohol in the human body. Cysteine attracts the toxin, breaking it down into the non-toxic acetate, a substance similar to vinegar. The actual effectiveness of consuming cysteine as part of a hangover remedy is unclear.[5]

    Ha, so that's why people smoke so much when they are drinking!
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  • It really freaks out me how they selectively add chemicals to cigarettes. It as though they are dialing in the perfect addiction recipe. It's insidious.

    Can you buy organic cigarettes in Canada?
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    It really freaks out me how they selectively add chemicals to cigarettes. It as though they are dialing in the perfect addiction recipe. It's insidious.

    Can you buy organic cigarettes in Canada?

    I can't even buy Native cigarettes, lol.

    To answer your question, I don't know. I've never heard of them.

    It's all fermaldehyde and cyanide as far as I know.
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  • This is interesting...

    They're free-basing nicotine

    http://www.biopsychiatry.com/nicotine/freebase-nicotine.html

    http://www.ohsu.edu/news/2003/071803smoke.html

    Ammonia and urea

    The amount of freebase nicotine in cigarette smoke increases as the alkalinity, or pH, increases. This factor can be influenced by the use of certain additives. "It is likely that ingredients such as ammonia and urea account for this addiction-enhancing effect. But you can also adjust the chemistry of the smoke by adjusting the blend.
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  • Ahnimus wrote:
    I can't even buy Native cigarettes, lol.

    To answer your question, I don't know. I've never heard of them.

    It's all fermaldehyde and cyanide as far as I know.

    I found out... the big organic brand so far is Natural American Spirit. Supposed be to available at various smoke shops throughout Canada

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_American_Spirit
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    you didn't touch on medicinal uses. and if you'd like to discuss how the industry is poisoning the foodstock it could take days. it's a sore spot with me cuz i've spent my life raising food animals naturally. against science and the industry.

    but yes; animals are a part of our lives that cannot be removed.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I found out... the big organic brand so far is Natural American Spirit. Supposed be to available at various smoke shops throughout Canada

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_American_Spirit

    Oh man, I don't know if I trust that anymore than regular brands.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    you didn't touch on medicinal uses. and if you'd like to discuss how the industry is poisoning the foodstock it could take days. it's a sore spot with me cuz i've spent my life raising food animals naturally. against science and the industry.

    but yes; animals are a part of our lives that cannot be removed.

    Yea, I was trying to hit on something that doesn't get a lot of attention. You are right the use of animal products in medicine is wide as well.

    Perhaps sometime in the future we will find non-organic substitutes for everything. Then, if we no longer consume animal food products. What will happen to the animals? We will no longer have use for animal farms and hence they will not exist in North America. All the animals of N. America will be found only in Zoos. Or so I believe.
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  • halvhalv Posts: 701
    Urea is mostly urine.
    Just quickly looking at the list above I can tell you that alternatives exist for almost every product; products made without dead animals.
    It's old news that many companies continue to use animal products unnecessarily out of pure laziness. They've done it this way for a long time, have business relationships with the rendering plants, etc etc.
    When it comes to body and facial products I'm amazed that people would want to rub bile or animal fat on themselves.

    Plus some of these are just so unnecessary: adding bile and blood to cigarattes to enhance flavour??? Mmmmm, pretzels with urine flavoring...yum.
  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    It really freaks out me how they selectively add chemicals to cigarettes. It as though they are dialing in the perfect addiction recipe. It's insidious.

    Can you buy organic cigarettes in Canada?

    Am I hallucinating ??? Are you actually suggesting that an "organic" cigarette might be "safer" ?????

    I really feel like I am hallucinating !!!!

    I have no problem with animal products. My canines and pre-molars re-assure me.
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  • halvhalv Posts: 701
    Am I hallucinating ??? Are you actually suggesting that an "organic" cigarette might be "safer" ?????

    I really feel like I am hallucinating !!!!

    I have no problem with animal products. My canines and pre-molars re-assure me.

    Compare your teeth with a wolf, bear, lion, cheetah...etc. Then let me know how you feel.
    While your at it compare your digestive track with those same animals. Some pretty tell-tale differences.
    Oh yeah, and your ability to survive without meat and recognize the suffering of others. Hmmmm......
  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    halv wrote:
    Compare your teeth with a wolf, bear, lion, cheetah...etc. Then let me know how you feel.
    While your at it compare your digestive track with those same animals. Some pretty tell-tale differences.
    Oh yeah, and your ability to survive without meat and recognize the suffering of others. Hmmmm......

    Dear, oh, dear, they are carnivores, I'm an omnivore. Now, here's a test, compare your teeth to a herbivore like a cow or a horse, and tell me how you went. Oh, and compare your digestive tract to a herbivore at the same time.
    I'll show you plenty of women who are not doing real well from the iron point of view due to a lack of red meat in their diet too.
    Choose to eat animal products or not, fine by me, but don't make yourself out to be "right, or morally superior.
    My dog can survive without meat too, but doesn't change the fact that she is a carnivore by nature. Damn soy makes her fart though !!
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    halv wrote:
    Compare your teeth with a wolf, bear, lion, cheetah...etc. Then let me know how you feel.
    While your at it compare your digestive track with those same animals. Some pretty tell-tale differences.
    Oh yeah, and your ability to survive without meat and recognize the suffering of others. Hmmmm......
    What's the best way to prepare a wolf, bear, lion and cheetah in a stew? Anyone have any recipes?
  • Am I hallucinating ??? Are you actually suggesting that an "organic" cigarette might be "safer" ?????

    I really feel like I am hallucinating !!!!

    I have no problem with animal products. My canines and pre-molars re-assure me.


    It would be free of all pesticides and it would also be fertilized by natural organic methods not with with chemical fertilizers.
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  • PJPOWER wrote:
    What's the best way to prepare a wolf, bear, lion and cheetah in a stew? Anyone have any recipes?

    A dash of Paprika?
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  • TrauTrau Posts: 188
    Come on, folks. It's not immoral to eat animals. I'm ignorant about the process of this, but what is wrong about using what parts we don't eat for other things?

    Of course, if they're killing animals simply to make paint or something, that's wrong.
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  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    PJPOWER wrote:
    What's the best way to prepare a wolf, bear, lion and cheetah in a stew? Anyone have any recipes?

    Put it in your butt and let it ferment.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    Put it in your butt and let it ferment.
    Warning: Do not eat something Rushlimbo has prepared
  • ScubascottScubascott Posts: 815
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's true, and it's not just food.

    Take Urea, for example, a preservative that is extracted from the bile and blood of animals, it's used in various cosmetics.

    Urea's commercial uses also include:



    How do you cope with that?

    What are you talking about? Urea isn't extracted from animal products.
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