Life in Iran

AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
Did you know that more women get cosmetic surgery in Iran than in Hollywood?

Apparently the Iranian government has banned satellite TV, but most residents of Tehran do have satellite TV.

Many things are outlawed in Iran which the population ignores. I watched a documentary video recently called "Rageh in Iran" reported by BBC.

Rageh reveals the truth about Iranian culture. It's primarily the government that is struggling to maintain Islamic rule, while the majority of people are growing away from it.

I agree with the statement "If Iran is going to change, it's going to change from inside." I feel this statement is true for any nation. We can try to influence them in positive pro-active ways, but ultimate change will come from the heart of the people.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    from what I have seen and read, I feel this way too. BUT its only with the younger generation. granted, the younger generation is a large % of the population but the middle age and older crowd (from the days of the 70s) still chant "death to america" daily. change from within is on the horizon I hope.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I think it will change faster than we expect. To a certain degree I think the international pressure on Iran is intended to stop them from changing. It serves to increase hostility and especially towards the U.S.

    Of course, most of this tension is a result of the Iran-Iraq war in which Iraq was funded by the United States, Britain, France and so on, while Iran stood alone.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    I think it will change faster than we expect. To a certain degree I think the international pressure on Iran is intended to stop them from changing. It serves to increase hostility and especially towards the U.S.


    this is an interesting observation. america needs enemies if she is going to wage [an] endless war. very astute, A,..
    we don’t know just where our bones will rest,
    to dust i guess,
    forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    This does not surprise me. The Iranians have been a sophisticated educated culture since ancient Persia. They have led the world with education and womens rights in times before our histories began. All the Iranians I have met have been warm lovely people, mostly Ba HAi ( I can never spell that), and all refugees. This is a great time to extend the hand of friendship to Iran and welcome them back. A much better option than threatening them into a defensive position where Bush will feel comfortable in goign to war against them.
    Music is not a competetion.
  • TrauTrau Posts: 188
    I think it is sad that they are not proud of their Persian noses.
    In the shadow of the light from a black sun
    Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
    Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
    I'm freezing

    Are you afraid, afraid to die
    Don't be afraid, afraid to try
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Trau wrote:
    I think it is sad that they are not proud of their Persian noses.

    I just loves me those rugs...

    Seriously, though, I'm hoping that last week's communication between the US and Iran and Syria will help open the door towards diplomacy. I'm all for peace.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • TrauTrau Posts: 188
    I'm all for babes being proud of who they are.
    In the shadow of the light from a black sun
    Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
    Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
    I'm freezing

    Are you afraid, afraid to die
    Don't be afraid, afraid to try
  • Some great photos of Iran. Click on a region to view.

    http://www.dejkam.com/iran/

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    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Did you know that more women get cosmetic surgery in Iran than in Hollywood?

    Apparently the Iranian government has banned satellite TV, but most residents of Tehran do have satellite TV.

    Many things are outlawed in Iran which the population ignores. I watched a documentary video recently called "Rageh in Iran" reported by BBC.

    Rageh reveals the truth about Iranian culture. It's primarily the government that is struggling to maintain Islamic rule, while the majority of people are growing away from it.

    I agree with the statement "If Iran is going to change, it's going to change from inside." I feel this statement is true for any nation. We can try to influence them in positive pro-active ways, but ultimate change will come from the heart of the people.

    freedom can't be given or taken away. ;)
  • YourBuddyYourBuddy Posts: 59
    macgyver06 wrote:
    freedom can't be given or taken away. ;)

    Lies, freedom is never free and can be lost and gained, it has happened time and time again. Read a book.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    YourBuddy wrote:
    Lies, freedom is never free and can be lost and gained, it has happened time and time again. Read a book.

    freedom isn't free? can you please explain.

    also i do read and i feel it can be given away...but not taken.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    macgyver06 wrote:
    freedom isn't free? can you please explain.

    also i do read and i feel it can be given away...but not taken.
    So if someone tosses you in a cell in Gitmo and throws away the key, you're still free as a bird?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • YourBuddyYourBuddy Posts: 59
    macgyver06 wrote:
    freedom isn't free? can you please explain.

    also i do read and i feel it can be given away...but not taken.

    Freedom is taken away all the time, lets see how much freedom do you think the serfs had in the middle ages, or how much freedom did slaves have in america before the war. Did the japaneese in the internment camps have much freedom or the jews in concentration camps. Freedom is not free because there are always people who are willing to take it away. This country is losing freedoms slowly. Freedom does not come without a fight, and the fight is pretty much endless.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    hippiemom wrote:
    So if someone tosses you in a cell in Gitmo and throws away the key, you're still free as a bird?

    im thinking we have different ideas of freedom.

    IDEAS can't be locked up :)
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    macgyver06 wrote:
    im thinking we have different ideas of freedom.

    IDEAS can't be locked up :)
    Yes, we definitely do. Ideas and freedom are not the same thing to me.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    are you free if someone has you tied down and they are castrating you?
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    in all seriousness though...we talking about freedom from oppression?
  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    This does not surprise me. The Iranians have been a sophisticated educated culture since ancient Persia. They have led the world with education and womens rights in times before our histories began. All the Iranians I have met have been warm lovely people, mostly Ba HAi ( I can never spell that), and all refugees. This is a great time to extend the hand of friendship to Iran and welcome them back. A much better option than threatening them into a defensive position where Bush will feel comfortable in goign to war against them.

    Just becuase the young population is liberalizing and progressing, does not mean their current leadership dose not pose a serious and immediate threat. I'm sure American leaders in the military and in national government are aware of the democratic potential in the young Iranian population. I'm sure they would like nothing more than to sit back and let them deterine their own course. Problem is, they have a head of state who is hell bent on obtaining nuclear weapons. That sort of comlicates things a bit. It's not exactly fair for people to say that American's are war mongers becuase we are trying to hold Iran accoutable for their nuclear ambitions.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    NCfan wrote:
    Just becuase the young population is liberalizing and progressing, does not mean their current leadership dose not pose a serious and immediate threat. I'm sure American leaders in the military and in national government are aware of the democratic potential in the young Iranian population. I'm sure they would like nothing more than to sit back and let them deterine their own course. Problem is, they have a head of state who is hell bent on obtaining nuclear weapons. That sort of comlicates things a bit. It's not exactly fair for people to say that American's are war mongers becuase we are trying to hold Iran accoutable for their nuclear ambitions.

    Ahmenijad is certainly good at sticking bamboo under U.S. political fingernails.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    NCfan wrote:
    Just becuase the young population is liberalizing and progressing, does not mean their current leadership dose not pose a serious and immediate threat. I'm sure American leaders in the military and in national government are aware of the democratic potential in the young Iranian population. I'm sure they would like nothing more than to sit back and let them deterine their own course. Problem is, they have a head of state who is hell bent on obtaining nuclear weapons. That sort of comlicates things a bit. It's not exactly fair for people to say that American's are war mongers becuase we are trying to hold Iran accoutable for their nuclear ambitions.


    Sure, but does teh US have a mandate to hold Irran accountable for their nuclear ambitions. I would be much happier with Iran having nukes and just feeling smug about it, than I am with another American invasion and destruction of another country. And is the same sabre-rattling and aggression that was used around Saddam likely to produce a better outcome here ?? Remembering that the US is still the only country with a record of having used nuclear weapons in war. It's pretty easy to forget that, but the images at teh start of Terminator 2 were real in 1945, not Hollywood make-believe.

    I am suggesting that a peace inititive might be a better idea than a war initiative and that opening up trade opportunities is better than sanctions. Sanctions are like taking shit away from teenagers. They just breed resentment and anger, and once you have taken everything away , what do you do then?? Once you've got nothing, you got nothing to lose !!!!
    Music is not a competetion.
  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    Sure, but does teh US have a mandate to hold Irran accountable for their nuclear ambitions. I would be much happier with Iran having nukes and just feeling smug about it, than I am with another American invasion and destruction of another country. And is the same sabre-rattling and aggression that was used around Saddam likely to produce a better outcome here ?? Remembering that the US is still the only country with a record of having used nuclear weapons in war. It's pretty easy to forget that, but the images at teh start of Terminator 2 were real in 1945, not Hollywood make-believe.

    I am suggesting that a peace inititive might be a better idea than a war initiative and that opening up trade opportunities is better than sanctions. Sanctions are like taking shit away from teenagers. They just breed resentment and anger, and once you have taken everything away , what do you do then?? Once you've got nothing, you got nothing to lose !!!!

    We're on opposite ends of the spectrum with regards to our beliefs. Yes, I do think, as the reigning superpower and leader of the free world, the U.S. does have a mandate to hold Iran accountable for their nuclear ambitions - especially given that other countries such as Russia, China and many in Europe just look the other way in the face of this dangerous proliferation in a theocratic state that is at odds with Western ways of life.

    I'm glad you would be happier with Iran having a nuke as opposed to another war, but to each his own. Nobody is sabre-rattling more than the Iranians. Nearly every significant country on Earth has has asked, pleaded and bargained with Iran to halt their programs - and Iran balks at these requests. They know that the U.S. is the only country that will possibly take action outside of Israel, and we are checked from doing so by popular opinion. In essence, Iran is laughing at the free world right now - and this surely isn't a good thing. It only emboldens their leadership and helps to empower their corrupt beliefs in the masses.

    The fact that you would mention the U.S. using nuclear weapons to end WWII exposes that you really haven't given this situation any serious thought - only towing the ever-popular "America sucks and is a hypocrite" attitude. If you would remember, America was put in a bad position in WWII. We were attacked if you would recall, we did not start that war. The decision can be debated all you or anybody else wants to talk about it, but at the end of the day - the only reason we develped the bomb in the first place was because the existence of our country was at stake. Whatever you think about 1945, it doesn't have anything to do with our current situation with Iran - especially given we are in the position of halting proliferation. How could that ever be a bad thing?
  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    NCfan wrote:
    We're on opposite ends of the spectrum with regards to our beliefs. Yes, I do think, as the reigning superpower and leader of the free world, the U.S. does have a mandate to hold Iran accountable for their nuclear ambitions - especially given that other countries such as Russia, China and many in Europe just look the other way in the face of this dangerous proliferation in a theocratic state that is at odds with Western ways of life.

    I'm glad you would be happier with Iran having a nuke as opposed to another war, but to each his own. Nobody is sabre-rattling more than the Iranians. Nearly every significant country on Earth has has asked, pleaded and bargained with Iran to halt their programs - and Iran balks at these requests. They know that the U.S. is the only country that will possibly take action outside of Israel, and we are checked from doing so by popular opinion. In essence, Iran is laughing at the free world right now - and this surely isn't a good thing. It only emboldens their leadership and helps to empower their corrupt beliefs in the masses.

    The fact that you would mention the U.S. using nuclear weapons to end WWII exposes that you really haven't given this situation any serious thought - only towing the ever-popular "America sucks and is a hypocrite" attitude. If you would remember, America was put in a bad position in WWII. We were attacked if you would recall, we did not start that war. The decision can be debated all you or anybody else wants to talk about it, but at the end of the day - the only reason we develped the bomb in the first place was because the existence of our country was at stake. Whatever you think about 1945, it doesn't have anything to do with our current situation with Iran - especially given we are in the position of halting proliferation. How could that ever be a bad thing?


    Actually, if you read a few more post in varius threads, you will find that I do not just toe the "America sucks line". In fact I don't have a bias for or against, just try to think objectively about each issue.
    I am awrare of what brought about the use of nukes to end WW2, but it is still true that America is till the only country to have used them. It was not because teh existence of your country was at stake, it was just pragmatic.
    Despite this, no other country HAS used them, depite lots and lots of antagonism and sabre-rattling. Iran is no more likely to use them than Russia, and depite what teh US may do, they will probably have them, as Israel does, then they will feel a balance shit will settel down. I would rather there were more cordial realtions in place when they get them, rather than antagonism.
    Music is not a competetion.
  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    Actually, if you read a few more post in varius threads, you will find that I do not just toe the "America sucks line". In fact I don't have a bias for or against, just try to think objectively about each issue.
    I am awrare of what brought about the use of nukes to end WW2, but it is still true that America is till the only country to have used them. It was not because teh existence of your country was at stake, it was just pragmatic.
    Despite this, no other country HAS used them, depite lots and lots of antagonism and sabre-rattling. Iran is no more likely to use them than Russia, and depite what teh US may do, they will probably have them, as Israel does, then they will feel a balance shit will settel down. I would rather there were more cordial realtions in place when they get them, rather than antagonism.

    What difference does it make if America has used the bomb or not is my question? How does that advance or support your argument? I didn't claim we used nukes becuase the existence of our country was at stake, I said we developed them becuase the existence of our country was at stake - which is undenaible.

    How do you know Iran is not likely to use nuclear weapons, and why should I and anyone else be held subject to your judgement? The extremist Persian Shia fervor that is vomiting from the mouths of the current Iranian leadership nullifies classical deterrence as in the case of Russia. Would such madmen be willing to lose 40 million so that the martyred would be in paradise and the survivors eternally boasting that the despised Persian Shi'ites were the true jihadists of Islam who took out the Zionist entity? That's one hell of a judgement call to make. I would rather not have to make it, which is why I support any and all means necessary to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. Of course I support and favor diplomacy above all other measures, but it is becoming increasingly clear that the Iranian leadership is not interested in compromises, as several have been proposed. They understand they are in the position of strength becuase we have no bite behind our bark. The Americans are de facto checked from using military power against Iran because of the world's distaste for George Bush....

    The world must act collectively; it cannot expect that 60 years after the Holocaust an Israeli prime minister will sit idly by while a Persian dictator first promises to wipe out the "one-bomb" state, and then proceeds to obtain the means to fulfill that sick boast.
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