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20/20 Stupid in America

AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
http://shoutfile.com/v/KgYdydAL/2020_Stupid_in_America

Interesting Vid. I've seen the topic come up here before. Check it.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,192
    yeah this topic does interest me since i do have 2 kids in school, learning is no longer just for the student , me as a parent i have to be totally involved in how my kid is learning and if the info is actually sinking in i mean it's a ton of work specially after you have been at work all day to come home and have to go over all of the assigned work it's taxing to say the least........
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  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    Yeah, this video has been posted before. While I'll agree that Europeans are more advanced in their studies as it relates to math & science, I'm always floored by the parents that are shocked when they learn their 18 year olds can't read. How uninvolved in your child's life do you have to be to be unaware of something like this? My daughter is 2 1/2 and about twice a week we go over words and numbers. I've learned that she quite advanced in math & numbers, she can do simple addition, which floored me.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    baraka wrote:
    My daughter is 2 1/2 and about twice a week we go over words and numbers.

    they're busy. dont you know there's a LOT of primetime tv to watch? the kids can teach themselves.
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    soulsinging wrote:
    they're busy. dont you know there's a LOT of primetime tv to watch? the kids can teach themselves.

    Aren't we all busy! My daughter gets plenty of Scooby-Doo in between her reading and numbers. These parents are completely detached!
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  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    I think I saw Jlew on there.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    I blame the hormones they put in milk and meat these days.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Everyone knows that our education system here is a fucking joke.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    I've never aspired to be a teacher of any kind, but I've met plenty of people who have. They always make it sound like freaking mission impossible to become a full-fledged teacher. They talk about getting the graduate degree, getting a credential...etc. Doesn't sound like a walk in the park at all. On top of that, it seems like everybody and their mother wants to be a teacher.

    So, that leads me to believe that the ones who eventually do become teachers are certainly capable of being one. I don't understand how all of the sudden they all suck. Could it be that parents just stopped giving a fuck? That's my take on it.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    baraka wrote:
    I'm always floored by the parents that are shocked when they learn their 18 year olds can't read.

    I agree with this but it puzzles me how an 18-year-old can move up in the school system if he can't read. That means he can't study, hardly understands exam questions...
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    sponger wrote:
    I've never aspired to be a teacher of any kind, but I've met plenty of people who have. They always make it sound like freaking mission impossible to become a full-fledged teacher. They talk about getting the graduate degree, getting a credential...etc. Doesn't sound like a walk in the park at all. On top of that, it seems like everybody and their mother wants to be a teacher.

    So, that leads me to believe that the ones who eventually do become teachers are certainly capable of being one. I don't understand how all of the sudden they all suck. Could it be that parents just stopped giving a fuck? That's my take on it.

    It takes more than a degree to be a teacher. People might find that an attractive job because of the holidays, etc. A lot go in this career for this reason.. They may be capable (ie have the knowledge) but you need passion to be able to transfer that knowledge to kids. You also need a lot of empathy and patience with the kids (at whatever age). There aren't that many good teachers around.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    redrock wrote:
    It takes more than a degree to be a teacher. People might find that an attractive job because of the holidays, etc. A lot go in this career for this reason.. They may be capable (ie have the knowledge) but you need passion to be able to transfer that knowledge to kids. You also need a lot of empathy and patience with the kids (at whatever age). There aren't that many good teachers around.

    this is true. more and more college level education doesn't mean a godamn thing when it comes to teaching. in fact, i think it's stupid to require a master's to teach in most places. you can know all the necessary material just from undergrad and from there it's simply a matter of being able to relate it to the kids. you cannot teach that very well, certainly not at the graduate level.

    most people i know who went into teaching were smart, true. but they didnt go out of passion or anything. they went cos they didnt know what else to do and were comfy with the school environment. that's not a good reason to get into education.

    anyway, i was gonna watch the vid, but saw the sidebar video about girls kissing and got sidetracked... ;)
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    sponger wrote:
    I've never aspired to be a teacher of any kind, but I've met plenty of people who have. They always make it sound like freaking mission impossible to become a full-fledged teacher. They talk about getting the graduate degree, getting a credential...etc. Doesn't sound like a walk in the park at all. On top of that, it seems like everybody and their mother wants to be a teacher.

    So, that leads me to believe that the ones who eventually do become teachers are certainly capable of being one. I don't understand how all of the sudden they all suck. Could it be that parents just stopped giving a fuck? That's my take on it.
    Many of my friends and coworkers that have been teachers said that it was nearly impossible to really teach the kids what they should be learning. They were too busy trying to prepare them for tests. In Texas it's the TASP tests I'm pretty sure. The schools put so much emphasis on these tests because they are responsible for the grants and ratings of the schools. Many of the teachers spend almost a whole year just preparing the kids for these tests instead of teaching them learning skills and life skills....................Not to mention, if you're a kid that's been studying for a single test the whole time you're in school, you'd probably be pretty unmotivated to take an interest in anything else in the classroom.
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    redrock wrote:
    It takes more than a degree to be a teacher. People might find that an attractive job because of the holidays, etc. A lot go in this career for this reason.. They may be capable (ie have the knowledge) but you need passion to be able to transfer that knowledge to kids. You also need a lot of empathy and patience with the kids (at whatever age). There aren't that many good teachers around.


    this is very true, unfortunately due to the power of teachers unions it's impossible to pay the good ones for performance because unions think everyone should be paid the same based on whatever piece of paper you may have earned busting your hump in your "summers off" with no regard to other factors in your life (like your own ankle biters; time spend grading papers lesson plans etc) or how much of that meager income you are turning back into your job becuase your "budget" for the year is maybe 50 bucks.

    Then again, that would mean they would actually have to have qualified knowledgeable people rate you on more than just test scores too.....

    but I digress.

    I'm glad there are people in the world still passionate about what they do, they will always be underpaid as there is no market value for exceptional work and much of it is almost impossible to quantify.

    I still find it unfortunate administrators make what they do.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    PJPOWER wrote:
    Many of my friends and coworkers that have been teachers said that it was nearly impossible to really teach the kids what they should be learning. They were too busy trying to prepare them for tests. In Texas it's the TASP tests I'm pretty sure. The schools put so much emphasis on these tests because they are responsible for the grants and ratings of the schools. Many of the teachers spend almost a whole year just preparing the kids for these tests instead of teaching them learning skills and life skills....................Not to mention, if you're a kid that's been studying for a single test the whole time you're in school, you'd probably be pretty unmotivated to take an interest in anything else in the classroom.

    It's the same in New Jersey. 3rd and 4th graders spend from Sept to April preparing for the NJ ASK tests. 5th - 7th graders spend the sametime preparing for 5-7 Assesments and 8th graders the GEPAs. I have a couple of friends who teach in public schools and they are told by administrators to put all their focus on these tests because the results will determine the amount of funding they will receive. It's utter bullshit and No Child Left Behind has only made the situation worse. A friend of mine teaches 4th grade and she doesn't have time to go over things like history, geography, art because she is told to focus on Language Arts Literacy and Math because those are the two subjects covered in the assesment tests. So for 7 of the 10 months that kids are in scholl there is no exposure to anything but the two subjects that are on the tests and we wonder why so many of our young kids today know jack shit about science or the history of their own country.
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