The real story behind WTC airplanes - let's simply analyze the flight paths shall we?

LikeAnOcean

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

maybe after Bigfoot comes over to my house on Thanksgiving you and I can go hunt for the Lochness monster...

Right after you and Bigfoot watch the Cubs world series, right Speedy?

Drowned Out

zstillings wrote:

It is not my job to convince you or the original poster of what happened. I guess, now that I think about it, it is fine with me that people think this was all undertaken by little green men who were trying to hit Area 51 but their navigation systems broke. I am just sharing that I actually have friends who were there, I actually have a connection to someone who is no longer living because their life ended at the crash site at the Pentagon. The original post is speculating on the sane way to crash a plane into the Pentagon as opposed to what these murderers did that day.

People who don't believe this happened and need to see the proof first hand are going to say that those tapes were doctored. I wonder if these people believe that slavery happened. There is no video evidence of the slave trade. It is all only stories. I think it's some academic conspiracy cooked up by the evil African immigrants to extract pity and money from today's society. Until I am proven wrong, the official story of the slave trade is nothing more than one big cover-up.

With the amount of scrutiny out there, doctoring those tapes would have to be done with completely new technology….people would analyze those things to death…. the tapes would convince me of nothing other than what hit the building…not who was responsible. I know it’s not your job to convince me… I wouldn’t want to be convinced by anyone so condescending. Call me a basement dweller, I call you a sheep. Accomplishes lots, no?

I’m not very well versed on US slave trade history, but obviously the government’s official position, and their reasons for letting it exist in the first place has changed significantly over the years. I’m sure a history book from that era would paint a different picture of the situation than a modern one would. I’m sure there was a time that the US government said there was nothing wrong with slavery, and their followers told anyone who disagreed that their opinion was absurd.

rightondude

PaperPlates wrote:

Who ever said these people were sane? You and your article give them too much credit. Any SANE plan doesn't involve blowing yourself up either. Fool.

Evil can never call me a fool...how pathetic

floyd1975

Drowned Out wrote:

With the amount of scrutiny out there, doctoring those tapes would have to be done with completely new technology….people would analyze those things to death…. the tapes would convince me of nothing other than what hit the building…not who was responsible. I know it’s not your job to convince me… I wouldn’t want to be convinced by anyone so condescending. Call me a basement dweller, I call you a sheep. Accomplishes lots, no?

I’m not very well versed on US slave trade history, but obviously the government’s official position, and their reasons for letting it exist in the first place has changed significantly over the years. I’m sure a history book from that era would paint a different picture of the situation than a modern one would. I’m sure there was a time that the US government said there was nothing wrong with slavery, and their followers told anyone who disagreed that their opinion was absurd.

I was trying to keep the basement dweller remarks to mean those who write the drivel that brings this up. I'm sorry if you took that remark to include you as I had no intention of including you in the group. As far as sheep, I have been called that and much worse many times on this board. I am not trying to condescend to you either, merely stating that I know people who were there. I know people who saw this happen and I have a friend whose coach died in this. People on this board are willing to continually erase all of this (one person asked me about a body) and go on with their conspiracy theories. I am not even starting on who was responsible since that is a different debate.

As far as slavery, going by the premises that I see on this board, I am not even willing to accept that it happened. I don't care about the official story that was cooked up by greed. I have not seen the video evidence that proves it.

rightondude

brain of c wrote:

you don't understand how aircraft are tracked by radar.

please enlighten us!

rightondude

zstillings wrote:

I will pose to you once again, what plane was it that people SAW crashing into the Pentagon? Where is my friend's coach who was ON THE FUCKING PLANE? I will continue to say that your conspiracy theory is nothing more than crazy because you were not there. You were probably not in this area at that time and you were not sitting in a hotel restaurant or on your balcony that morning watching the plane flying into the damn building.

Answer these two questions or your theory holds absolutely no validity.

So you are an eye witness?
Please expand your observations that is what I am asking for.

rightondude

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

maybe after Bigfoot comes over to my house on Thanksgiving you and I can go hunt for the Lochness monster...

You haven't got it on yet with those two? Is your mojo slipping?

content pls

floyd1975

rightondude wrote:

So you are an eye witness?
Please expand your observations that is what I am asking for.

I do not want to get into specifics of the people who I know who were sitting in the restaurant on top of the hotel (a vantage point that many are now asking for) and watched the plane fly over...or my friend who lives a couple of miles away and saw the plane that morning from his balcony. But these are things that happened. Along with the coach who died, that is the specifics that I will get into. There is another person in this thread who has a sister who saw the plane crash into the Pentagon. I am more apt to believe the friends that saw this than the speculation that I have seen from these theories.

rightondude

Can anyone comment on the repeated requests for military f16 assistance to the FAA about knowing the planes were hijacked and yet nothing was done?

Also the indecision by the FAA to eventually think about it and do nothing? then make excuses like nobody is in the room...There are taped recordings of these actual conversations.

Those guys are sitting around all day itching to go flying I imagine. I know I would be if I had an f16 sitting in my driveway. Like firemen no?

PaperPlates

zstillings wrote:

I do not want to get into specifics of the people who I know who were sitting in the restaurant on top of the hotel (a vantage point that many are now asking for) and watched the plane fly over...or my friend who lives a couple of miles away and saw the plane that morning from his balcony. But these are things that happened. Along with the coach who died, that is the specifics that I will get into. There is another person in this thread who has a sister who saw the plane crash into the Pentagon. I am more apt to believe the friends that saw this than the speculation that I have seen from these theories.

quoted for emphasis. Deny that. Or maybe the administration is letting/forcing average joe's in on the "conspiracy".

rightondude

zstillings wrote:

I do not want to get into specifics of the people who I know who were sitting in the restaurant on top of the hotel (a vantage point that many are now asking for) and watched the plane fly over...or my friend who lives a couple of miles away and saw the plane that morning from his balcony. But these are things that happened. Along with the coach who died, that is the specifics that I will get into. There is another person in this thread who has a sister who saw the plane crash into the Pentagon. I am more apt to believe the friends that saw this than the speculation that I have seen from these theories.

Interesting. You do understand the problems with memory recollection process though right? People can see 100% different things via memory than what actually happened. This is a proven phenomena. I do know the media brainwashed and continues to pound us with this images of stuff daily.

Not pointing any fingers. But that is a somehwat of a factor.

However thanks for your knowledge. I will not dismiss it.

PaperPlates

rightondude wrote:

However thanks for your knowledge. I will not dismiss it.

But you just did.

floyd1975

PaperPlates wrote:

But you just did.

I wouldn't say that it was a dismissal. I would say that he has a point about memory recollection. I did speak to these people very shortly after though (the phone lines were all jammed but I persisted).

mongoloid

rightondude wrote:

Can anyone comment on the repeated requests for military f16 assistance to the FAA about knowing the planes were hijacked and yet nothing was done?

Also the indecision by the FAA to eventually think about it and do nothing? then make excuses like nobody is in the room...There are taped recordings of these actual conversations.

Those guys are sitting around all day itching to go flying I imagine. I know I would be if I had an f16 sitting in my driveway. Like firemen no?

Prior to this no one had ever flown planes into buildings. It wasn't protocol to send militarty jets after highjacked planes. Negotiations were what was supposed to happen because thats what had happened on every highjacking prior to 9/11. That is why the FAA seemed indecisive. They were trying to contact the highjackers to negotiate but ofcourse they couldn't. They didn't want to shoot down planes with hostages on them. Why would they want to do that?

El_Kabong

rightondude wrote:

watch this vid at 24 mins and 30 seconds. (more particularly at 26 mins 25 secs)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6529813972926262623

....Props to EKB. Good find bro.

as much as i would like to take credit for that thread it all belongs to rarghrargh-brownstar. i did get a little testy b/c i don't like it when ppl who don't usually start threads here do and the first reply is someone telling her she needs to be on prozac (and then pages of replies, none of which relating to the original post)...but yes, it was a very good find

rightondude

PaperPlates wrote:

But you just did.

I may seem that way, but it honestly it sticks in my mind as well as anything I have read thus far on the issue.

brainofPJ

tehehehe...

you guys are funny...

El_Kabong

rightondude wrote:

8:20 am: 20 miles from the Pentagon. Flight 77 departs from Dulles Airport.

8:50 am: 260 miles from the Pentagon. Last radio communication with flight 77.

8:55 am: 300 miles from the Pentagon. Flight 77 turns while over southern Ohio.

8:56 am: 299 miles from the Pentagon. Transponder/radar contact lost.

9:33 am: 20 miles from the Pentagon. Unidentified aircraft reported heading to central DC.

9:38 am: 0 miles from the Pentagon. Crashes into the Pentagon.

Any sane plan for hitting the Pentagon would involve hijacking the plane immediately after takeoff, turning it about quickly, and hitting the Pentagon before the US Air Force could react. Any sane plan could not suppose that the USAF had been stood down.

So, it would have been clearly visible to the hundreds of radar stations on the ground, as it flew over terrain populated by more air force bases than any other area on the planet, yet the US Air Force did nothing. They did not even scramble jets to investigate, let alone defend US airspace. They acted exactly as if it did not even exist.

Dulles Airport is only 20 miles from the Pentagon. So it is insane to believe that the "hijackers", who started from Dulles Airport, waited until they were some 300 miles away from their target, the Pentagon, before hijacking the aircraft, turning it around and retracing their path back to the Pentagon. This would give the US Air Force over 40 minutes to get fighter aircraft up to investigate, and if necessary, shoot them down.

Probably, the best plan would be to hijack a plane while it was on the ground at Washington International Airport, take off normally, then crash it into the Pentagon some 2 or 3 miles away.

The aircraft that crashed into the Pentagon could not possibly have been the aircraft reported to have disappeared over southern Ohio. This is simply because, if it had flown from the Ohio/Kentucky border all the way back to Washington DC, then it would have been clearly visible on radar (if an aircrafts transponder is turned off, this means only that the aircraft stops transmitting its name, altitude, and some other details, however, it is still very visible to both military and civilian radar).

Any questions?? (I sure hope so).

Do your research friends. Then come back and call me a crazy conspiracy theorist (if you can)

http://guardian.150m.com/pentagon/small/911-flights.htm

I'm not even going to get into that rediculous pentagon crash footage, and of which the best video footage is being withheld (i.e. Citgo gas station (especially) and the Sheraton). Those two tapes would clear everything up but the US gov't isn't releasing them for some glorious reason. Why bother to clarify the issue right? :rolleyes:

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/footage.html

So who's calling who crazy again? Is all this just being made up out of thin air? and by me, and by several thousands of websites, and media outlets, newspapers, TV, various magazines, etc??? etc??? Really now.

Ask yourself this: how badly do you not want to believe something is definitely wrong with this picture?

I am open to all possibilities. But until I can see logic to the contrary I am befuddled how one can still maintain blind faith to those who support murder as a solution to peaceful means.

nice research!

what should also be noted, but rarely is, is up until a few months before 9/11 NORAD had authority to make the decision on what to do in these situations and had authority to make a shoot down decision. but that was changed and given to the rummy...cheney waited until the pentagon was hit before he claimed he spoke to bush and he gave the shoot down order (altho there is no record in the notes taken by several ppl that he spoke to bush about this and the only ones who remember it are cheney, rummy and rice)

rightondude

mongoloid wrote:

Prior to this no one had ever flown planes into buildings. It wasn't protocol to send militarty jets after highjacked planes. Negotiations were what was supposed to happen because thats what had happened on every highjacking prior to 9/11. That is why the FAA seemed indecisive. They were trying to contact the highjackers to negotiate but ofcourse they couldn't. They didn't want to shoot down planes with hostages on them. Why would they want to do that?

Granted yes, much innocence was lost that day, however we already had both towers hit and burning at this point and 77 is flying around acting all wierd heading straight for Washington.

Why not send up at least one F16 (or something) to either visually confirm or follow flight 77 to down it if ultimately required?

That's really strange if you ask me. How indifferent can the FAA be at this point? That's the question of the day I guess.

Both WTC buildings are on fire already and flight 77 screaming straight for the heart of Washington unresponsive and way off course?

I would think some action would have been taken. But then again there were numerous planned mock terrorist planes in the air that day to confuse the FAA

That was never told to anyone by the media. Did you hear about that? All the mock terrorist planes in the sky on 9/11 which were purposefully scheduled as training excersises by the Gov't?

pretty wicked coincidence that is...

El_Kabong

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/