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Nothingman54Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
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Just wondering something, how many of you are for abortion and for stem cell?
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I am not necessarily for abortion, I would definetly suggest that a woman look into other options other than abortion, but I am pro-choice. I also support stem cell research as well.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Both are wrong, both should be legal.
  • TheVoiceInsideTheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Both are wrong, both should be legal.




    why is stem cell wrong?
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Neither are wrong, both should be legal.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    why is stem cell wrong?

    Stem cell is not wrong. Destroying an embryo is. Just my opinion.

    If you want to extract stem cells from your embryos, knock yourself out. Just don't ask me to pay for it or to sanction it.
  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    I am pro-life when it comes to abortion.

    But I am also pro-stem cell research.
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    I personally wouldn't want my fiance or daughter of the future to get an abortion. That doesn't mean I don't think others who don't feel the same way I do, should be denied the right to have one. Stem Cells can only do good. There was a time when test tube babies was "playing God", and think of all the good that has done in the world
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  • Nothingman54Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    The reason I wanted to know was, how could you be for both???? One has to do with killing life and the other has to do with saving life, so how could someone be for both?
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    I guess that all depends when life starts whether or not you are "killing" a life
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    The reason I wanted to know was, how could you be for both???? One has to do with killing life and the other has to do with saving life, so how could someone be for both?
    One has to do with a woman controlling her own reproductive life.

    The other has to do with scientists trying to cure disease.

    I see no reason why either should be illegal.
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  • John BudgeJohn Budge Posts: 259
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    The reason I wanted to know was, how could you be for both???? One has to do with killing life and the other has to do with saving life, so how could someone be for both?
    I don't think anyone is 'for' abortion. It's a private medical procedure that should be available for all women if they feel the need.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    The reason I wanted to know was, how could you be for both???? One has to do with killing life and the other has to do with saving life, so how could someone be for both?

    To me abortion is not killing a life. That is how I can be for both. I mean how can people be pro-death penalty and pro-life at the same time. They simply are and shouldn't have to justify their beliefs.
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  • EbizzieEbizzie Posts: 240
    Much like marijuana, abortion is a medical procedure intended to improve the quality of a patient's life. For a government to impose their own biased morality against those who are suffering (emotionally or physically) is flat out wrong. I tend to think less of people who have abortions, and have actually found myself even more disgusted by the procedure as I have had kids of my own. I still think that it's none of the government's business to intervene in someone's medical life.

    Stem cell research is the biggest breakthrough in medical science since the vaccination. The prospects for treatments of SO many diseases are SO promising and yet again our government stands in the way. The really sad thing to me is that 50% of these individuals who have the power to stop stem cell funding claim much stronger religious beliefs than I believe they really hold in their hearts. If you're a well educated Senator from Nebraska or Arkansas, were elected to office because of strict social conservatism rooted in your "faith", even though you may completely understand the need for/science behind stem cell research, you're forced to vote against it because of your wanting to stay in office. Public funding of stem cell research would obviously result in a great medical revolution in this country. These are the positive revolutions that the world expects a nation like America to export to its shores and borders. This is the technology and knowledge that America can share with the rest of the world to restore the association of dignity and promise with the American flag that has simply vanished in the past 5-10 years.
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  • Nothingman54Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    mammasan wrote:
    To me abortion is not killing a life. That is how I can be for both. I mean how can people be pro-death penalty and pro-life at the same time. They simply are and shouldn't have to justify their beliefs.


    Abortion is killing a life no matter what you want to believe. Its a fact, Its reality. You abort a baby, you killed the baby. Abortion in my opinon should not be a right for people. There is such thing as too many rights in life and killing a baby is abortion.
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    Abortion is killing a life no matter what you want to believe. Its a fact, Its reality. You abort a baby, you killed the baby. Abortion in my opinon should not be a right for people. There is such thing as too many rights in life and killing a baby is abortion.
    Babies don't spring into being all of a sudden. Pregnancy is a process. Abortion halts that process before it produces a baby.
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  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    Abortion is killing a life no matter what you want to believe. Its a fact, Its reality. You abort a baby, you killed the baby. Abortion in my opinon should not be a right for people. There is such thing as too many rights in life and killing a baby is abortion.

    I personally agree with you, but only because I believe it is a life. However, its not nearly fact the way you state it. Many people don't think that an unborn baby (at least for much of the pregnancy) is a "life". That's why I can understand their position. If I didn't believe it was a "life" I would be pro-choice. However, after taking quite a few biology courses, it seems clear to me that it is a "life". That's the only reason why I'm against abortion.

    I think instead of abortion being relied on, there should be other better options.

    I don't know if I'm for or against stem cell research, I don't know enough about it, but I think that I am for it.

    For the record, I'm against the death penalty.
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  • Nothingman54Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    yosi wrote:
    I personally agree with you, but only because I believe it is a life. However, its not nearly fact the way you state it. Many people don't think that an unborn baby (at least for much of the pregnancy) is a "life". That's why I can understand their position. If I didn't believe it was a "life" I would be pro-choice. However, after taking quite a few biology courses, it seems clear to me that it is a "life". That's the only reason why I'm against abortion.

    I think instead of abortion being relied on, there should be other better options.

    I don't know if I'm for or against stem cell research, I don't know enough about it, but I think that I am for it.

    For the record, I'm against the death penalty.


    I respect your opinion. I am 50/50 on the death penalty. Because, people have a choice to do good or bad things in life and when you decide you want to kill someone, then you should be ready for what ever happens. A baby does not have a choice, a baby has done nothing wrong in the world and a mother can just kill it if she wants.......
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    I respect your opinion. I am 50/50 on the death penalty. Because, people have a choice to do good or bad things in life and when you decide you want to kill someone, then you should be ready for what ever happens. A baby does not have a choice, a baby has done nothing wrong in the world and a mother can just kill it if she wants.......

    A man convicted of a crime and gets the death penalty, when in fact he is innocent, isn't given much of a chance either.
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  • Nothingman54Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    ledvedderman wrote:
    A man convicted of a crime and gets the death penalty, when in fact he is innocent, isn't given much of a chance either.


    I know thats why im 50/50 on the death penalty. Its not the death penalty that messed up its the system.
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  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    ledvedderman wrote:
    A man convicted of a crime and gets the death penalty, when in fact he is innocent, isn't given much of a chance either.

    A little off topic, but did anyone see the Life of David Gale? Its exactly about what ledvedderman just said. Awesome movie.
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Life of David Gale...GREAT movie
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  • rigneyclanrigneyclan Posts: 289
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    Abortion is killing a life no matter what you want to believe. Its a fact, Its reality. You abort a baby, you killed the baby. Abortion in my opinon should not be a right for people. There is such thing as too many rights in life and killing a baby is abortion.

    It is embryos and fetus' that are being aborted, not babies.

    Telling a woman that she can't have an abortion because you don't think its right, is like me telling you that (for example, if you had cancer) you can't get the cancerous cells because I don't agree with it. You wouldn't like me telling you what to do with your body, would you?
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  • EbizzieEbizzie Posts: 240
    This is the problem with this debate. This thread has quickly turned into an abortion debate while the bigger issue at hand is the government's reluctance to fund stem cell research. While abortion's effect on the population is debateable, depending on when you believe life truly begins, the underfunding of stem cell research is directly contributing to the suffering and deaths of millions around the globe. These millions are truly alive, there is no debate about it. Yet in today's political climate the argument always turns back to abortion. It's like trying to figure out whether to cook your eggs sunnyside up or scrambled while the bacon on the other burner is starting a grease fire.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    The government does not need to fund stem cell research. The government should not fund stem cell research. Stem cell research should be an irrelevancy to government.
  • EbizzieEbizzie Posts: 240
    farfromglorified wrote:
    The government does not need to fund stem cell research. The government should not fund stem cell research. Stem cell research should be an irrelevancy to government.

    So I assume you feel the same concerning vaccinations.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Ebizzie wrote:
    So I assume you feel the same concerning vaccinations.

    Very much so, yes.
  • EbizzieEbizzie Posts: 240
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Very much so, yes.

    So when the bird flu pandemic hits America and there are no vaccinations available, who are you going to blame? Do you really believe that any corporate entity would gamble billions on creating enough of this vaccine to sell to the entire population? Is a vaccination against a pandemic which makes its way upon our shores not in all actuality a form of defense? I know from reading on here for awhile that you definitely one all about some defense. Seems hypocritical.

    Stem cell research is much the same, it's providing a defense against diseases that ordinary Americans cannot defend themselves against.
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  • jubilairesjljubilairesjl Posts: 498
    I am for abortion but only under two circumstances.....If the mother was raped or if the mother's life is at stake if she gives birth. I am for stem cell research
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Ebizzie wrote:
    So when the bird flu pandemic hits America and there are no vaccinations available, who are you going to blame?

    I'm not going to "blame" anyone. No one has an obligation to produce vaccinations against the "bird flu pandemic". However, if the bird flu ever hit America I'd be quite thankful for companies like Chiron who produce such vaccines.
    Do you really believe that any corporate entity would gamble billions on creating enough of this vaccine to sell to the entire population?

    Umm...a couple already have.
    Is a vaccination against a pandemic which makes its way upon our shores not in all actuality a form of defense?

    No.
    I know from reading on here for awhile that you definitely one all about some defense. Seems hypocritical.

    Not sure where you got that idea.
    Stem cell research is much the same, it's providing a defense against diseases that ordinary Americans cannot defend themselves against.

    By "ordinary Americans" I'm assuming you mean the 12% in poverty. I'll happily buy 10 vaccinations for the poor when I buy one for myself. However, I'm not really interested in forcing you or anyone else here to do the same, particularly if you have a moral objection. Same goes for stem cells.
  • EbizzieEbizzie Posts: 240
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I'm not going to "blame" anyone. No one has an obligation to produce vaccinations against the "bird flu pandemic". However, if the bird flu ever hit America I'd be quite thankful for companies like Chiron who produce such vaccines.



    Umm...a couple already have.



    No.



    Not sure where you got that idea.



    By "ordinary Americans" I'm assuming you mean the 12% in poverty. I'll happily buy 10 vaccinations for the poor when I buy one for myself. However, I'm not really interested in forcing you or anyone else here to do the same, particularly if you have a moral objection. Same goes for stem cells.



    There haven't been enough batches of the vaccine produced to cover even you, Mr. Middleclass.

    There are no corporations interested in spending the money necessary to properly research stem cell treatment. As it stands now, there is no profit to be made from research findings...not to mention, the majority of research is occurring in the laboratories of academia, aka non-profits. A much larger investment in this research by the government would save them money in the long run. The enormous costs billed to government for treatments on diseases which could be cured by stemcell treatment could be wiped clean. Once the treatment is understood and manipulated to a commercial form, it will present a huge boon to the economy. Also, as I mentioned before, this is the kind of thing that will help other nations to once again look favorable upon the US.

    I'm not as fiscally conservative as you, but I am a conservative. You live in much the same utopic mindset as those on the far left that you lambaste day in and day out.
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