If you look closely.....

Open

.....you can see them hating us for our freedom.


http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=391308

caifan82

Looks like a very nice city, I bet there are poor neighborhoods too (like everywhere) but yes, looks like a nice place to visit.
Kinda shatters those theories that they hate the west for their freedoms and that Iran is a wasteland.
Thanks for the link Open.

sponger

I don't get out much, but I do know that the Iranian population generally does not hate the west. I used to chat w/ Iranians on yahoo chat. They are not too fond of their government and wouldn't mind seeing it get overthrown.

In fact, that's probably why Ahmadinejad keeps his population from posting anti-government blogs.

But in its bid to crack down on anti-government bloggers, the government uses one of the most sophisticated internet censorship systems in the world.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4790005.stm

As for those pictures dispelling misconceptions..lol. You can take the same photos in communist china.....where the falun gong are systematically kidnapped and tortured to death for practicing a banned religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong

Open

sponger wrote:

I don't get out much, but I do know that the Iranian population generally does not hate the west. I used to chat w/ Iranians on yahoo chat. They are not too fond of their government and wouldn't mind seeing it get overthrown.

In fact, that's probably why Ahmadinejad keeps his population from posting anti-government blogs.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4790005.stm

As for those pictures dispelling misconceptions..lol. You can take the same photos in communist china.....where the falun gong are systematically kidnapped and tortured to death for practicing a banned religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong

What misconceptions are u talking about? If your talking about religious freedom there is a poplulation of both Christians and Jews in Iran and they are free to practice their religion.

Puck78

all this *recent* hate between Iran and USA was builted up by you in the US: do you remember so much talking about Iran 3 years ago? The media is fooling you
PS: the aim of this topic is really pathetic

Open

What are you talking about? What do you think the aim is?

Puck78

Open wrote:

What are you talking about? What do you think the aim is?

sorry Open, it was not directed to you, i expressed myself very badly. I find pathetic the answer of sponger about misconceptions.
Nice pictures, by the way, thank for posting them.

Open

Puck78 wrote:

sorry Open, it was not directed to you, i expressed myself very badly. I find pathetic the answer of sponger about misconceptions.
Nice pictures, by the way, thank for posting them.

Oh no worries, i was just confused. Thanks for the clarification.

polaris

hence the big "they want to wipe israel off the map" PR campaign ... seeing as that whole "hate our freedom" thing is not working so hot ...

Open

This about the people not the goverment.

polaris

Open wrote:

This about the people not the goverment.

well ... its the people that will suffer the decisions and actions of gov'ts

Jammin909

I could go take pictures of upscale restaurants/ shopping centers, luxury apartments, treen-lined blvds, bakeries, and grocery stores stocked with food in any capital city of the world but it doesnt mean that it would be an accurate description of that particular country as a whole (or whether a majority of its citizens can afford such luxuries).

rebornFixer

Dude, what's your point? You could post a few photos of Mars, if you wanted.

rebornFixer

Jammin909 wrote:

I could go take pictures of upscale restaurants/ shopping centers, luxury apartments, treen-lined blvds, bakeries, and grocery stores stocked with food in any capital city of the world but it doesnt mean that it would be an accurate description of that particular country as a whole (or whether a majority of its citizens can afford such luxuries).

Apparently the unemployment rate there is just brutal. Their economy is in shambles, and thus their government tries to deflect public scrutiny outward towards Israel and the Great Satan.

rebornFixer

sponger wrote:

I don't get out much, but I do know that the Iranian population generally does not hate the west. I used to chat w/ Iranians on yahoo chat. They are not too fond of their government and wouldn't mind seeing it get overthrown.

True enough. In fact, there have been several Iranian grad students in my department recently. All women ... And all were worried that they would not be able to practice psychology once they returned. The country's populace is trying hard to modernize, but the clerics and their puppet government is doing its level best to stiffle progress.

Open

Jammin909 wrote:

I could go take pictures of upscale restaurants/ shopping centers, luxury apartments, treen-lined blvds, bakeries, and grocery stores stocked with food in any capital city of the world but it doesnt mean that it would be an accurate description of that particular country as a whole (or whether a majority of its citizens can afford such luxuries).

Right, just like here.

Jammin909

Open wrote:

Right, just like here.

Comparing the economy of Iran and the disposable income of their average citizen to that of the US is (want to say stupid) not comparable.

I have heard Iran is an alright country to visit but lets be real, your pictures don't dipict the average Iranian and I doubt too many can afford to shop at that upscale mall.

inmytree

Jammin909 wrote:

Comparing the economy of Iran and the disposable income of their average citizen to that of the US is (want to say stupid) not comparable.

I have heard Iran is an alright country to visit but lets be real, your pictures don't dipict the average Iranian and I doubt too many can afford to shop at that upscale mall.

do you "know" this or are you just assuming...?

Jammin909

inmytree wrote:

do you "know" this or are you just assuming...?

I know their average income is around $70-150 a month so I am assuming they can not afford to shop at the mall and go to the nice cafes that you see in the pictures.

I live in Romania right now where the average person makes somewhere around $150 a month and we have the same high class malls here. Go to a Polo or a Lacoste store as shown his/her picture and the prices will be double what I would have to pay in the states. People go to the malls to window shop, you hardly ever see people walking around with bags of clothes. Having these western stores in no way reflects the 'quality of life' or their purchasing power.

Anyhow- it's the government, not their people that are the problem. Simply trying to point out that there is no way those pictures are representative of the life a majority of the Iranians live.

Open

Of course if someone posts pictures of New York and hicksville, USA it will depict different lifestyles, just like in Iran.

sponger

Puck78 wrote:

I find pathetic the answer of sponger about misconceptions.
Nice pictures, by the way, thank for posting them.

explain urself.

LBC1076

Actually the original poster was just showing those pictures to us so that we will remember what Tehran looked like before the Bush machine comes in and fucks it all up and the citizens on the streets in the pics are replaced by overworked, underpaid and dead tired US soldiers wondering which little kid is going to set off a Teletubby full of explosives.

sponger

LBC1076 wrote:

Actually the original poster was just showing those pictures to use so that we will remember what it looked like before the Bush machine fucked it all up and the citizens on the streets in the pics were replaced by overworked, underpaid and dead tired US soldiers wondering which little kid is going to set off a Teletubby full of explosives.

Those are pictures of Iran, not Iraq. And Iraq was hardly a prosperous, bustling nation prior to the US invasion. It was broke from the costs of a drawn out war with Iran. In fact, I do believe that the invasion of Kuwait resulted from Saddam's need for funding.

LBC1076

sponger wrote:

Those are pictures of Iran, not Iraq. And Iraq was hardly a prosperous, bustling nation prior to the US invasion. It was broke from the costs of a drawn out war with Iran. In fact, I do believe that the invasion of Kuwait resulted from Saddam's need for funding.

I am well aware that those are pictures of Iran. I should go replace "it" with Tehran and change it from past tense, so that no one else gets confused.

MrBrian

sponger wrote:

Those are pictures of Iran, not Iraq. And Iraq was hardly a prosperous, bustling nation prior to the US invasion. It was broke from the costs of a drawn out war with Iran. In fact, I do believe that the invasion of Kuwait resulted from Saddam's need for funding.

kuwait was Directiona/slantl drilling iraqs oil. imagine if canada started taking american resorces? would'nt america get pissed?

also iraq was also in such a terrible position due to the sanctions.

Not that I was for the invasion by hussein, i'm just pointing out a possible cause.

hailhailkc

City still looks like shit to me. A bunch of run down "skyscrapers" surrounded by tin shacks sitting on streets lined with some really tiny cars. I'd like to see what the rest of that mall looks like too.

I call bullshit until I see a Subway.

sponger

MrBrian wrote:

kuwait was Directiona/slantl drilling iraqs oil. imagine if canada started taking american resorces? would'nt america get pissed?

also iraq was also in such a terrible position due to the sanctions.

Not that I was for the invasion by hussein, i'm just pointing out a possible cause.

UN sanctions weren't levied against Iraq until after the invasion. Kuwait was stealing oil from Rumaila field, but Iraq was also broke from the Iraq-Iran war anyway.

MrBrian

sponger wrote:

UN sanctions weren't levied against Iraq until after the invasion. Kuwait was stealing oil from Rumaila field, but Iraq was also broke from the Iraq-Iran war anyway.

I know, what i'm saying is that the million people who died in that 10 years of sanctions took it's toll and did the final job of breaking iraqs back.

The iran/iraq war obvioulsy was a major factor.
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I guess we are not really have anything to disagree with here, just kinda adding some info.

Open

hailhailkc wrote:

City still looks like shit to me. A bunch of run down "skyscrapers" surrounded by tin shacks sitting on streets lined with some really tiny cars. I'd like to see what the rest of that mall looks like too.

I call bullshit until I see a Subway.

Ill humor you...

http://www.tehranmetro.com/about/gallery/index.asp?ca=12

Tell me how often do you use the ultra modern KC subway?

hailhailkc

Open wrote:

Ill humor you...

http://www.tehranmetro.com/about/gallery/index.asp?ca=12

Tell me how often do you use the ultra modern KC subway?

Well...by "subway" I meant the sandwich shop. Do they have sandwich artists in Tehran too? In KC we drive cars. You know...SUV's, Nissans, Big Trucks, Cadillacs, etc. We've yet to revert back to our camels.

Collin

Jammin909 wrote:

I know their average income is around $70-150 a month so I am assuming they can not afford to shop at the mall and go to the nice cafes that you see in the pictures.

I live in Romania right now where the average person makes somewhere around $150 a month and we have the same high class malls here. Go to a Polo or a Lacoste store as shown his/her picture and the prices will be double what I would have to pay in the states. People go to the malls to window shop, you hardly ever see people walking around with bags of clothes. Having these western stores in no way reflects the 'quality of life' or their purchasing power.

Anyhow- it's the government, not their people that are the problem. Simply trying to point out that there is no way those pictures are representative of the life a majority of the Iranians live.

Yeah but I doubt Iran or Romania are as expensive as let's say NYC or London when it comes to groceries or just food, who the fuck needs Polo or Lacoste?