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Rudy 2008 ? Are u Kidding

satansbedbugssatansbedbugs On Tour Posts: 2,412
edited June 2007 in A Moving Train
Ok, here it is. Im a chef at the University of Delaware . We hosted an event
here in Wilmington . Guilliani came and delivered his "Rudy 08 " shcpeel and everyone keeps buying in to his sencerity. Am I crazy, or is this guy as crooked as the rest of them? I dont see sencerity at all. From what I see and from what Ive read, hes taken more money from 9/11 to his pocket than anyone. How could you take a tragedy like that and profit from it? If anything that money should all go to the families that lost someone they loved. Rolling Stone this month had a very interesting article about this guy. Not that I believe everything that I read , but if you get a chance read it and tell me what your opinion is. Interested to see what the World Loves / Hates about this jackass. sbb
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,051
    satansbedbugs wrote:
    Ok, here it is. Im a chef at the University of Delaware . We hosted an event
    here in Wilmington . Guilliani came and delivered his "Rudy 08 " shcpeel and everyone keeps buying in to his sencerity. Am I crazy, or is this guy as crooked as the rest of them? I dont see sencerity at all. From what I see and from what Ive read, hes taken more money from 9/11 to his pocket than anyone. How could you take a tragedy like that and profit from it? If anything that money should all go to the families that lost someone they loved. Rolling Stone this month had a very interesting article about this guy. Not that I believe everything that I read , but if you get a chance read it and tell me what your opinion is. Interested to see what the World Loves / Hates about this jackass. sbb

    I don't really care about Rudy, but show me a Rolling Stone article that is not completely slanted and biased, and then I may give it the time of day. Let's get the Democrats in power so they can stop the war! Oh wait, we did, and they don't have the balls to stop the war.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    satansbedbugs wrote:
    Ok, here it is. Im a chef at the University of Delaware . We hosted an event
    here in Wilmington . Guilliani came and delivered his "Rudy 08 " shcpeel and everyone keeps buying in to his sencerity. Am I crazy, or is this guy as crooked as the rest of them? I dont see sencerity at all. From what I see and from what Ive read, hes taken more money from 9/11 to his pocket than anyone. How could you take a tragedy like that and profit from it? If anything that money should all go to the families that lost someone they loved. Rolling Stone this month had a very interesting article about this guy. Not that I believe everything that I read , but if you get a chance read it and tell me what your opinion is. Interested to see what the World Loves / Hates about this jackass. sbb

    the democrats don't have anyone that can seriously be elected. this leaves rudy as the best choice. you can't believe everything you hear about the 9/11 incident. say you had a construction company and you went to help out in a disaster. wouldn't you expect to be paid and make a profit? of course you would. you're not a non-profit organization. when hurricanes hit fla tradesmen flock to the area and charge twice what they normally would.

    on the other hand; what looks like being crooked; is actually the ability to get things done. we need someone that will do what it takes. even if it pushes the envelope. even if it goes against public opinion. rudy gets things done and that's what we need right now.
  • jwillmojwillmo Posts: 471
    onelongsong wrote:
    the democrats don't have anyone that can seriously be elected. this leaves rudy as the best choice. you can't believe everything you hear about the 9/11 incident. say you had a construction company and you went to help out in a disaster. wouldn't you expect to be paid and make a profit? of course you would. you're not a non-profit organization. when hurricanes hit fla tradesmen flock to the area and charge twice what they normally would.

    on the other hand; what looks like being crooked; is actually the ability to get things done. we need someone that will do what it takes. even if it pushes the envelope. even if it goes against public opinion. rudy gets things done and that's what we need right now.
    If Rudy fucking Guliani is the "best choice" then we are truly fucked.

    And, yes, there are tons of people who help out in disaster that don't make a profit. Not only don't they make a profit, they don't get paid at all. They're called volunteers, there's an actual word in the dictionary for it.

    And what, exactly, has he "gotten done"?
  • TaftTaft Posts: 454
    I challenge anyone to read this this very funny and well written article (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/06/wolff200706) and tell me that the prospect of a Guiliani presidency doesn't terrify you.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    onelongsong wrote:
    the democrats don't have anyone that can seriously be elected. this leaves rudy as the best choice. you can't believe everything you hear about the 9/11 incident. say you had a construction company and you went to help out in a disaster. wouldn't you expect to be paid and make a profit? of course you would. you're not a non-profit organization. when hurricanes hit fla tradesmen flock to the area and charge twice what they normally would.

    on the other hand; what looks like being crooked; is actually the ability to get things done. we need someone that will do what it takes. even if it pushes the envelope. even if it goes against public opinion. rudy gets things done and that's what we need right now.

    Do you really think that rudy will make it out of the primary, and if he does, get elected without one of the three legs of the republican party (social conservatives)? I see a lot of social conservatives staying home in that election.

    If it is Hilary, the republicans will at least have something to run against, but we saw how unsuccessful that was in '04. If it's Obama vs. Rudy, I don't think Rudy has a chance...

    Rudy is a one issue candidate with A LOT of skeletons in his past.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    if the powers that be can put bush in power ... they can put rudy there too ...
  • jwillmojwillmo Posts: 471
    Taft wrote:
    I challenge anyone to read this this very funny and well written article (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/06/wolff200706) and tell me that the prospect of a Guiliani presidency doesn't terrify you.
    Yeah, you know here pretty soon Guiliani is going to have his Howard Dean "Yyoooooooooawhhhhhh!" moment and his 15 minutes will be up. Or maybe a complete meltown like Martin Sheen in The Dead Zone (holding a baby up to protect him from a sniper). Whenever it inevitably happens, hopefully it comes after he's already won the primary.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Do you really think that rudy will make it out of the primary, and if he does, get elected without one of the three legs of the republican party (social conservatives)? I see a lot of social conservatives staying home in that election.

    If it is Hilary, the republicans will at least have something to run against, but we saw how unsuccessful that was in '04. If it's Obama vs. Rudy, I don't think Rudy has a chance...

    Rudy is a one issue candidate with A LOT of skeletons in his past.

    who doesn't have skeletons? both you and i do. the government is still asking where the government property is that hilary took when she left the whitehouse. she also had 8 years of influence in the whitehouse and nothing got done. we had several terrorist attacks during those 8 years from the 1992 attack on the wtc to the attack that blew up a casino in nevada; yet nothing was done. if you want someone to ignore what's going on around them; hilary is your man.
  • jwillmojwillmo Posts: 471
    onelongsong wrote:
    who doesn't have skeletons? both you and i do. the government is still asking where the government property is that hilary took when she left the whitehouse. she also had 8 years of influence in the whitehouse and nothing got done. we had several terrorist attacks during those 8 years from the 1992 attack on the wtc to the attack that blew up a casino in nevada; yet nothing was done. if you want someone to ignore what's going on around them; hilary is your man.
    Are you joking? By that rationale you can blame Laura Bush for Iraq.

    Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't vote for Hilary either, but what in the holy fuck does that have to do with Rudy Guiliani?
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    onelongsong wrote:
    who doesn't have skeletons? both you and i do. the government is still asking where the government property is that hilary took when she left the whitehouse. she also had 8 years of influence in the whitehouse and nothing got done. we had several terrorist attacks during those 8 years from the 1992 attack on the wtc to the attack that blew up a casino in nevada; yet nothing was done. if you want someone to ignore what's going on around them; hilary is your man.

    But I thought everything changed on 9/11?

    While I think that your characterization of the Clinton administration is a bit deluded, I am no fan of Hilary and you won't see me defending her. I'm extremely tired of the Bush/Clinton 28 year run and we need a change.

    As far as skeletons, we probably do both have them, but we are not trying to get nominated for the party of morals or whatever the hell the GOP calls themselves these days.
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    blackredyellow wrote:
    But I thought everything changed on 9/11?

    While I think that your characterization of the Clinton administration is a bit deluded, I am no fan of Hilary and you won't see me defending her. I'm extremely tired of the Bush/Clinton 28 year run and we need a change.

    As far as skeletons, we probably do both have them, but we are not trying to get nominated for the party of morals or whatever the hell the GOP calls themselves these days.

    clinton could have stopped 9/11 long before it happened. he gave bin laden time to grow strong. remember the bumper stickers all over that said I DON'T LIKE THE PRESIDENT OR HER HUSBAND? hilary had a lot more to do with what went on then you give her credit for.
    since everyone has skeletons you won't find the perfect president. look at bush's skeletons yet he got elected.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    onelongsong wrote:
    clinton could have stopped 9/11 long before it happened. he gave bin laden time to grow strong. remember the bumper stickers all over that said I DON'T LIKE THE PRESIDENT OR HER HUSBAND? hilary had a lot more to do with what went on then you give her credit for.
    since everyone has skeletons you won't find the perfect president. look at bush's skeletons yet he got elected.

    I guess I need to repeat myself...
    blackredyellow wrote:
    While I think that your characterization of the Clinton administration is a bit deluded, I am no fan of Hilary and you won't see me defending her. I'm extremely tired of the Bush/Clinton 28 year run and we need a change.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I guess I need to repeat myself...

    i got it. my post was for others. i probably shouldn't have hit quote. sorry.
  • lastexit78lastexit78 Posts: 618
    Rudy isn't that bad. The GOP could find a lot worse candidates. At least he doesn't let the Religous Right dictate his decisions. Not to mention he was a pretty damn good Mayor. New York City was headed towards becoming another Detroit before Rudy cleaned things up. Ask any NYC resident what the city looked like in the early 90's. I'm not planning on voting for him but there's a lot more frightening candidates out there. The guy was even on Seinfeld. I'm no Rudy fan but the guy has some charisma and he's capable of sounding like an intelligent human. That alone makes him a huge improvement over what we have now. Would you guys prefer Dick Cheney?
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  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    Bin Laden had less to do with 9-11 than Rudy did.anyone who thinks this cross-dressing,Mafioso piece of shit should be president has seriously got their head up their ass.this guy is a total boot-licker just like Georgie boy,he will bow to the globalists and help further the destruction of our country(which is almost complete).any of you who still thinks we are wealthy or still a super power is severely lacking the truth.these corrupt motherfuckers are all about taking freedom and raping and pillaging the masses.they don't give a shit about any of you,no matter how hard you wave your American flag made in china,no matter if you ignorantly "support the troops",no matter how much a part of "the team" you think you are(IE. democrat,republican,liberal,conservative)it doesn't matter,for they have been reduced to being merely "words" used to control us.divide and conquer!! the only real hope is to educate yourself.when you know shit is a scam you can avoid being victimized.let us all come together and agree we hold our freedoms near and dear and no corrupted system or politician is going to take them away!together we can stand,divided we will fall.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    lastexit78 wrote:
    Rudy isn't that bad. The GOP could find a lot worse candidates. At least he doesn't let the Religous Right dictate his decisions. Not to mention he was a pretty damn good Mayor. New York City was headed towards becoming another Detroit before Rudy cleaned things up. Ask any NYC resident what the city looked like in the early 90's. I'm not planning on voting for him but there's a lot more frightening candidates out there. The guy was even on Seinfeld. I'm no Rudy fan but the guy has some charisma and he's capable of sounding like an intelligent human. That alone makes him a huge improvement over what we have now. Would you guys prefer Dick Cheney?

    I'll give you that Rudy did clean up NYC but it also fueled a hell of a lot of racial tension in the city as well. Bloomberg has managed to decrease crime by another 30% since he took office with far less racial tension. Bloomberg has also managed to incease NYC school grades and graduation rate. He also managed to not only balance the budget but he now has a budget surplus. Also any NYer will tell you that just prior to 9/11 Rudy had dismal approval ratings. All of a sudden 9/11 happens and he holds a couple of press conferences and the man is labeled a hero.

    He is a one dimensional candidate who deems himself an expert on fighting terrorism. Just because he was the mayor of NYC when the attack occured doesn't make him an expert. He also gloats about how he handed that Saudi Prince back his $10 million dollar check but fails to mention that the Saudi Royal family is a client of his law firm.
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  • mdigenakismdigenakis Posts: 1,337
    He cleaned up the city, but he created a rift (in communication) between the NYPD and the Fire Dept. that cost many lives on 9/11.
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