How Modern Liberals Think

Commy

prytoj wrote:

Bin Laden declared WAR ON US from Afghanistan, protected by the Taliban, who was about as injust and oppressive a regime as there was. Total hypocrisy, and again, an excuse to promote a theocratic agenda.

Nice try, but what a bunch of intellectual dishonesty. Surpising the Islamo-fascists don't criticize Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, others in the region regarding "injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians". Wonder why?

protected by the Taliban?





The Taliban offered to put Osama Bin Laden on trial for the 9/11 crimes. That was ignored. After 10 days of bombing they offered to present OBL to a 3rd country for trial, that was met with headlines in major newspapers saying 'Taliban negotiations denied' and similar. Bush was quoted as saying, "when I said no negotiation, I meant no negotiations."


The Taliban gave the US opportunities for a Osama trial, they were rejected. Now the Taliban and Osama's fighters have been forced into the same boat...your enemy is my enemy kind of thing.

More of a case of US foreign policy having the opposite affect of what they claim it to be.

Commy

and wtf kinda of thread is this?

Liberals, yeah lets bash an entire group based on misconceptions and false stereotypes.


all sides have their share of fuckups, to pin that mentality on everyone who claims to be liberal or whatever is ridiculous.


And sure, lets attack liberals. They only gave us minimum wage, overtime, workers comp, workers rights, healthcare, 40 hour work week, ended the vietnam war, gave blacks their rights, gave women their rights, created unions, protested and illegal war in Iraq BEFORE the invasion happened, will probably be hte only thing to protect you when your government decides to shread the constitution...


yeah those goddamn hippy liberals.

OffHeGoes29

Commy wrote:

all sides have their share of fuckups

Holy shit.....I agree with you for once.

OffHeGoes29

Mutiny! he cried wrote:

and we do it w/ bombs, economics, sanctions, exploitation and supporting thugs.

and in more pl
aces

Wouldn't those empires do the same thing if they had the technology?

We aren't the only one to blame for the worlds problems.....not so one sided.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

Wouldn't those empires do the same thing if they had the technology?

We aren't the only one to blame for the worlds problems.....not so one sided.

And if you decided to resist them, you would be considered a terrorist, and by your own definitions and principles should be killed.

Mutiny! he cried

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

Wouldn't those empires do the same thing if they had the technology?

We aren't the only one to blame for the worlds problems.....not so one sided.

I don't know and I really don't feel like debating what I think Rome may do had they survived to the current times w/ our technology....though my guess is they would act pretty much like we do.

I didn't say we were to blame for all the problems, I disagreed that another country IS or HAS BEEN more imperialistic, not would they had they survived

Byrnzie

prytoj wrote:

Show me the world's previous dominant power that was less imperialistic

Russia.

Byrnzie

prytoj wrote:

The liberal agenda does hate America, and if you fact check the liberal mouthpieces, you will find what is really sinister about the modern liberal agenda. They lie, stating the opposite of fact as fact.

Sure. And Sadaam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction that could be deployed to devastate the U.S within 45 minutes.

prytoj wrote:

The reason we were attacked, from what I can see, is an Arab fascism driven to see a world Muslim theocracy, a new dark ages.

He he he!

prytoj wrote:

I'll entertain that "western influence" pisses off some ignorant terrorist monsters (which is pretty much bullshit too, it's more of an excuse),

[size=+3]He he he![/size]

prytoj wrote:

I think the speaker's point is that the liberal agenda itself is inherently evil, and carefully packaged and promoted as innocuous and "nice"....The modern liberalist intellectuals lie out their ass, bold faced lies, in order to pursue a globalist agenda. but whatever.

Please, stop it, you're cracking me up.

Grace7

These "former liberals" are running to all the neo-con groups like Heritage after a adopting the Hudson Institute's zionist interpretation of Islam.
That itself is pretty rich, a bunch of Jews sifting thru all that has ever been written on Islam to find evidence that Islam wants to destroy freedom, destroy America and conquer the world thru global Jihad!!
"just look at western Europe" sound the alarm!!

Ther is one reason alone these guys have left the left and run to the right over the last decade, these zionist creeps are terrified that the right may rise on a policy of protecting liberty, a la Ron Paul, that does not seek to arrange the world to protect "tiny Israel". An America first doctrine that points out the only U.S. presidents that have suspended/cut back aid to Israel were Republicans or that liberals have promoted a zionist agenda!!
Quite alarming that it could happen, so let's make sure we're in far right to prevent it!!

I couldn't get past 7 minutes to see where it was going.
The freedom to criticize American policies is what America is all about and I doubt this approach has much milage left.
America is not imperialistic..what?? Why do we 700+ military bases around the world. Post WW1 it isn't too pc to refer to it as "imperialism".
Israel is a democracy?? It is Sparta. Occupy a state or people and deny any representation? Who is defining democracy these days?
He sounds like that asshole Horowitz who wants to see all professors dismissed if they don't teach a revisionist history of Israel.
They will use whatever issue they can to advance their zionist cause, a tiny nation, a nation w/ the 4th most poweful military in the world. A tiny nation that calls an enormous apartheid wall a fence!!

Attack all the liberals you want but a good deal of conservatives aren't buying as evidenced by the Ron Paul movement.


makes me want to hollar
makes me want to shout

Grace7

prytoj wrote:

As Cali native indoctrinated into the liberal ideaology, and myself a former liberal, I found the argument to be pretty concise.

Monday, March 5, 2007 Featuring: Evan Sayet Writer, Lecturer and Pundit Hosted by: Becky Norton Dunlop Vice President, External Relations, The Heritage Foundation


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c&feature=related

INDOCTRINATED ????

Byrnzie

prytoj wrote:

The liberal agenda does hate America, and if you fact check the liberal mouthpieces, you will find what is really sinister about the modern liberal agenda. They lie, stating the opposite of fact as fact.

So you what you believe is that anybody who criticizes the U.S Government is clearly in cahoots with the 'evil-doers' and wishes for an Islamo-fascist, terrorist dark ages to descend upon the Western world?

prytoj wrote:

The reason we were attacked, from what I can see, is an Arab fascism driven to see a world Muslim theocracy, a new dark ages.The modern liberalist intellectuals lie out their ass, bold faced lies, in order to pursue a globalist agenda. but whatever.

No, no.....noooo!

Whatever! :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz7_3n7xyDg

Grace7

Does anyone remember when all the pundits were saying that OBL et al were just using the Palestinian cause??

and then

terror experts from Rand etc said in fact OBL had been concerned w/ cause since highschool and that his Dad owned a home in Jerusalem that was seized by Israelis in '67
Steve Coll says it stands today but lived in by Israelis!!!!

Try again!!

peace

Collin

prytoj wrote:

The roman empire, the british empire, the ottoman empire, nazi germany..
just to name a few, there, MUtiny! All far more imperialistic than the US, if we're ranking superpowers. I could go on, but you can crack a book yourself.

As far as this "wisdom" piece, it's kind of a wanderiing piece that I'm not sure argues the point of the Heritage speaker per se. I could dissect it, but I'll leave it to the comments on the pages of the video.

The Heritage speaker proposes a concise argument, I'm not sure how the "wisom" piece rebuts that argument.

I guess you totally missed the point. You called liberals liars, who lie out of their asses and state the opposite as fact.

I dare you to find a lie, or the opposite stated as fact. Arundhati Roy is an exceptional writer and thinker, but she's not an exception.

One great difference between her text is that it's based on reality. The examples she states are historical events, that show America's (Britain's, Europe's, India's...) darker side. A side the heritage speaker chooses to ignore.

So, do you think the US is completely clean? Flawless? That's its involvement in the Middle East such as its support to Israel hasn't contributed to the growing resentment to the States?

Do you honestly think that people who say that after causing decades of terror around the world, it's not so surprising that the US got attacked?

Can you tell me why the neo-cons lied to the American people to get them into war?

Anyway, you said that liberal thinking is inherently evil. What exactly do you think is so evil about it? Is it considering world history and context of events? Is it the fact that they dare to be critical of their own states and point out where it went wrong?

Also, do you think the neo-cons are any different? I can find plenty of examples of liar, stating the opposite as fact etc. Isn't neo-con mindset the opposite of this dangerous 'thinking'.

They state the opposite as fact, they lie out of their asses, they only see one side of the story...

Mutiny! he cried

Collin wrote:

I guess you totally missed the point. You called liberals liars, who lie out of their asses and state the opposite as fact.

I dare you to find a lie, or the opposite stated as fact. Arundhati Roy is an exceptional writer and thinker, but she's not an exception.

One great difference between her text is that it's based on reality. The examples she states are historical events, that show America's (Britain's, Europe's, India's...) darker side. A side the heritage speaker chooses to ignore.

So, do you think the US is completely clean? Flawless? That's its involvement in the Middle East such as its support to Israel hasn't contributed to the growing resentment to the States?

Do you honestly think that people who say that after causing decades of terror around the world, it's not so surprising that the US got attacked?

Can you tell me why the neo-cons lied to the American people to get them into war?

Anyway, you said that liberal thinking is inherently evil. What exactly do you think is so evil about it? Is it considering world history and context of events? Is it the fact that they dare to be critical of their own states and point out where it went wrong?

Also, do you think the neo-cons are any different? I can find plenty of examples of liar, stating the opposite as fact etc. Isn't neo-con mindset the opposite of this dangerous 'thinking'.

They state the opposite as fact, they lie out of their asses, they only see one side of the story...

I Arundhati Roy