Yet another Hidden Audio: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Industry

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  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Unless the Government steps up and pushes for this, the coal companies will continue to turn a blind eye.

    It's an expensive undertaking but it's definately something that has to be done.

    It's very similar to the Auto Industry who unless pressured would happily contiune to produce gas guzzling SUV's instead of producing more fuel efficent vehicles.

    complete opposite of fact. absolutely, categorically false.
    the free market put these vehicles off the road. Any suggestion to the contrary is the height of intellectual dishonesty.
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    prytoj wrote:
    complete opposite of fact. absolutely, categorically false.
    the free market put these vehicles off the road. Any suggestion to the contrary is the height of intellectual dishonesty.


    Oh really?

    Remember the Electric Car? I suppose the free market took those off the road as well?
  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Oh really?

    Remember the Electric Car? I suppose the free market took those off the road as well?

    again, falsehood.

    If we're talking about Oil lobbyists placing obstacles in the way of that progress, I can entertain that notion.

    But the solution there is again, the people actively demanding better.
    not government.
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    prytoj wrote:
    again, falsehood.

    If we're talking about Oil lobbyists placing obstacles in the way of that progress, I can entertain that notion.

    But the solution there is again, the people actively demanding better.
    not government.

    You don't believe that the Government could have a huge influence on this?

    I think penalties on corporations refusing to adhere to green standards or pushing forward new technologies would be more than enough incentive to get things moving in the right direction with "Green Energy" and "Green Automobiles".

    We can't pussy foot around the issue. There is alot that has to be done and I'm afraid unless someone somewhere get's serious enough to take these coroporations to task on this issue and force them to move; once again like Bush and Clinton before him....nothing will get done.

    The United States is vastly behind much of the world in "Green Standards"

    We're simply not being agressive enough.

    Obama's idea of "pushing" these coal plants towards this direction is a much needed agressive approach that frankly could prove to be very effective.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    I read this as "if the coal industry does not produce clean technology, they will be held accountable for polluting the air"....

    this is very, very scary indeed...

    thanks for the info....
  • jimed14 wrote:
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    :)

    Agreed.
    No longer overwhelmed it seems so simple now.
  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    You don't believe that the Government could have a huge influence on this?

    I think penalties on corporations refusing to adhere to green standards or pushing forward new technologies would be more than enough incentive to get things moving in the right direction with "Green Energy" and "Green Automobiles".

    We can't pussy foot around the issue. There is alot that has to be done and I'm afraid unless someone somewhere get's serious enough to take these coroporations to task on this issue and force them to move; once again like Bush and Clinton before him....nothing will get done.

    The United States is vastly behind much of the world in "Green Standards"

    We're simply not being agressive enough.

    Obama's idea of "pushing" these coal plants towards this direction is a much needed agressive approach that frankly could prove to be very effective.

    There has been a green revolution taking place all on its own, driven by consumer demand. I agree we should be as agressive as possible. I just think that we currently are having that agressive posture.

    I think we are overlooking the enormous progress that has been made just in the last decade in this regard. Think about where we were in these areas ten years ago.

    An someone in the Architecture field, and someone who is very well versed on the issue, I can tell you this is going to get done without government penalties, if we allow it.
  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    oooh, I think the cat got your tongue.
    thanks for keeping an open mind on that.

    less gub'ment, mo' betta' peoples.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    prytoj wrote:
    oooh, I think the cat got your tongue.
    thanks for keeping an open mind on that.

    less gub'ment, mo' betta' peoples.

    who are you talking to...?
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    inmytree wrote:
    who are you talking to...?


    Apparently, he thinks he's made a point.
  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Apparently, he thinks he's made a point.

    great rebuttal, very informative.
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    prytoj wrote:
    There has been a green revolution taking place all on its own, driven by consumer demand. I agree we should be as agressive as possible. I just think that we currently are having that agressive posture.

    I think we are overlooking the enormous progress that has been made just in the last decade in this regard. Think about where we were in these areas ten years ago.

    An someone in the Architecture field, and someone who is very well versed on the issue, I can tell you this is going to get done without government penalties, if we allow it.


    Again you don't think the government can in anyway push this a little harder?

    Especially with the coal issue?

    I just don't see how sticking with an obsolete and dirty fuel source, because it's EXPENSIVE TO CHANGE is the right approach???

    No one ever said it was going to be easy.
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    you are the master of great rebuttles prytoj, like this gem ...
    prytoj wrote:
    It's funny, my brother-in-law is the personal bodyguard for Timbaland, and they are touring with Chris Cornell. Last night, they were in San Francisco, and he texted my wife saying he'd never seen so many fags with dresses on in his life.

    I'm not saying he saw you or anything. But I thought that was pretty funny.

    I have a gay brother who lives in Long Beach, CA. I'll have to give him some education.
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

    "I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    prytoj wrote:
    great rebuttal, very informative.
    prytoj wrote:
    oooh, I think the cat got your tongue.
    thanks for keeping an open mind on that.
    less gub'ment, mo' betta' peoples.


    Dont' talk to me about rebuttals...You seem to have some shitty ones yourself
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