The democrats are all about the people

prytoj

Pretty amazing, and perfectly logical. I was like WOW,
except for the dinosaur stuff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvc0tYG_YpA

about 9min.

jimed14

Yes, democrats want to keep people poor to keep in power, that makes fucking sense. So stupid. All I hear all day long is how democrats want to give handouts to people who don't deserve it, and now you want to make the claim they want to keep them poor? Unreal.

As for the $250k in taxes for small businesses ...... it's $250k in PROFITS that will be taxed at a higher rate ... that's *AFTER* expenses ... people are fucking stupid. Since when is making $250k in profits something to be avoided becuase it will be taxed a bit more? It's a few percentage points.

And the Joe the Plumber cries are baseless ... HAVE YOU SEEN THE WHOLE VIDEO??? Here it is, how exactly did he silence Joe???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA ok, again, did you watch it? Watch the whole video. How did Obama silence him?? Instead of taking 3 words out of a 6 minute discussion out of context, watch the whole interview!

And then, at the end of this video you have posted, this guy claims Obama should be an abomination because he's the product of a white mother and a black father ... great, spread more ignorant race hate.

Finally, people blame the Obama supporters for only liking him because he's a good speaker and yet, I've seen this video MANY times ... so, a slick talker who supports the repubs is ok? Please form your own thoughts.

prytoj

There was a time when I had no idea who I was voting for
That was until I looked at the record.

Obama can clain credit for ONE SINGLE PIECE of legislation that I can see.
It's called the Exelon bill, passed when he was a state legislator, which was watered down by lobbyists of the same nuclear power industry the bill was aimed at.

Maybe the smarter folks here can tell me what other legislation Obama has brought and was able to pass.

Google "obama exelon" for reference.

The guy is a media creation, plain and simple.

That's called forming my own thoughts, jimjed should try it sometime.
Thanks for the bump

Gonzo1977

prytoj wrote:

There was a time when I had no idea who I was voting for
That was until I looked at the record.

Obama can clain credit for ONE SINGLE PIECE of legislation that I can see.
It's called the Exelon bill, passed when he was a state legislator, which was watered down by lobbyists of the same nuclear power industry the bill was aimed at.

Maybe the smarter folks here can tell me what other legislation Obama has brought and was able to pass.

Google "obama exelon" for reference.

The guy is a media creation, plain and simple.

That's called forming my own thoughts, jimjed should try it sometime.
Thanks for the bump

Why don't you take that same comb and take a look at McCain's abhorrent voting record. But of course we can't do that...right?

John's a "Hero"..."A Maverick"..."He Crosses Party Lines"

Oh...Wait a minute. How many times has he voted with Bush?

And how about John's voting in regads to the "Brave Men and Women In The Military" that he so claims to care for...OOPS...Sore spot!!

How about Energy? Sarah Palin's specialty

Ooops...

Forget about Windpower, Solar Power, Alternative Energy...That's absurd.

Funny how an Arizona Senator can get so far when he votes against

THE SUN...

Drill baby Drill

prytoj

McCain has voted along party lines far less than Obama

Sorry, that's a fact.

Gonzo1977

prytoj wrote:

McCain has voted along party lines far less than Obama

Sorry, that's a fact.

Well...I should hope so since he's been doing it about 25 years longer than Obama.

McCain has done nothing but dry hump Big Business his entire political career. The evidence is in his record...It's a fucking joke and it certainly isn't a voting record that one should be very proud of.

Obama's community record in Chicago is unmatched.

Obama after Harvard Law School could have gone on to become one of the richest most successful lawyers in the country and what did he choose...

COMMUNITY SERVICE!!!
TEACHING!!!

Really take a look here and examine these two men. Look at their records.

It's very obvious.

I don't know how anyone could possibly say that McCain is the more progressive candidate.

He's just Reagan, Bush Sr. and W all rolled into one bitter 75 year old hack.

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jimed14 wrote:

people are fucking stupid.

Amen.

prytoj

Gonzo1977 wrote:

Well...I should hope so since he's been doing it about 25 years longer than Obama.

McCain has done nothing but dry hump Big Business his entire political career. The evidence is in his record...It's a fucking joke and it certainly isn't a voting record that one should be very proud of.

Obama's community record in Chicago is unmatched.

Obama after Harvard Law School could have gone on to become one of the richest most successful lawyers in the country and what did he choose...

COMMUNITY SERVICE!!!
TEACHING!!!

Really take a look here and examine these two men.

I don't know how anyone could possibly say that McCain is the more progressive candidate.

It's the same old Republican Flag waving in your face.

It's Reagan and Bush and W all rolled into one bitter 75 year old hack.

Yeah, how'd he get that Harvard education
Look it up and think for yourself....

And If McCain is dry-humping big busineess, then why did he limit himself to public finance, while Obama "has taken money from Corporations and Corporate lawyers by far more than McCain" (nader)

don't drink the coolaid

If McCain is dry-humping, then Obama's holding the KY and a rubber glove.
next...

jimed14

prytoj wrote:

McCain has voted along party lines far less than Obama

Sorry, that's a fact.

well, if he's been in Congress for the past 4 years, and we've been under this horrific administration, AMEN that he's voted against them!!

Unlike THIS guy ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uThoBMfcFRc

prytoj

look at the record, not another carefully edited mix tape

refer to north carolina '00

next...

jimed14

prytoj wrote:

look at the record, not another carefully edited mix tape

refer to north carolina '00

next...

what are you talking about?

Do you mean South Carolina 2000? When Bush and Rove were complicit in allowing those push polls about McCain to be unleashed? When these pollsters made acusations that John McCain had an illegitmate black child?

That was horrible.

Which makes it even MORE baffling that McCain would hire the VERY SAME STAFF to run his campaign.

digster

prytoj wrote:

look at the record, not another carefully edited mix tape

refer to north carolina '00

next...

Dude, he's absolutely correct...

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

McCain did in fact vote with Bush that often; 95% in 2007 alone. Just because you're right in your own head doesn't make you right in reality.

prytoj

Thanks for giving me a piece of meterial from an Obama-run (ahhhhh Annenburg-run, sorry) website.

whatever,

the fact is Obama is the most partisan politician in Congress, there's just no debating that. If anything, McCain is TOO centrist for most conservatives.
That's just plain and simple.
next...

Strangest Tribe

Since it is Halloween.... was that Karl Rove dressed up as a young black man?

digster

You're a confusing, confusing poster. I don't know if you actually believe you're right or not.

digster

prytoj wrote:

the fact is Obama is the most partisan politician in Congress, there's just no debating that. If anything, McCain is TOO centrist for most conservatives.
That's just plain and simple.
next...

And by the way, this is what we call dodging the argument that we were having. I believe you tried to call jmed out on it in another thread.

prytoj

Yeah, how'd he get that Harvard education
Look it up and think for yourself....

And If McCain is dry-humping big busineess, then why did he limit himself to public finance, while Obama "has taken money from Corporations and Corporate lawyers by far more than McCain" (nader)

don't drink the coolaid

If McCain is dry-humping, then Obama's holding the KY and a rubber glove.
next...


need any more clarity than that?
any disputing that with some facts?

digster

prytoj wrote:

Yeah, how'd he get that Harvard education
Look it up and think for yourself....

And If McCain is dry-humping big busineess, then why did he limit himself to public finance, while Obama "has taken money from Corporations and Corporate lawyers by far more than McCain" (nader)

don't drink the coolaid

If McCain is dry-humping, then Obama's holding the KY and a rubber glove.
next...


need any more clarity than that?
any disputing that with some facts?

And you continue to dodge. We were talking about McCain's voting record as being similar to Bush's, remember? I know that's a rough subject to defend.

prytoj

neither digster or jimjed are adressing the point of the thread, but i'll go wherever you want, I got all the ammo you can stomach.

none of which are 30 second mix tapes.

jimed14

prytoj wrote:

Thanks for giving me a piece of meterial from an Obama-run (ahhhhh Annenburg-run, sorry) website.

whatever,

the fact is Obama is the most partisan politician in Congress, there's just no debating that. If anything, McCain is TOO centrist for most conservatives.
That's just plain and simple.
next...

ahh yes, the Annenburgs ... while Obama was a part of their foundation ... Walter Annenburg was a well know ... REPUBLICAN ... who served as an ambassador to England under Nixon and did many things for Reagan ...

soooooooo partisan for Obama.

digster

jimed14 wrote:

ahh yes, the Annenburgs ... while Obama was a part of their foundation ... Walter Annenburg was a well know ... REPUBLICAN ... who served as an ambassador to England under Nixon and did many things for Reagan ...

soooooooo partisan for Obama.

Facts clearly aren't making any difference here.

Ahem, "next."

jimed14

prytoj wrote:

neither digster or jimjed are adressing the point of the thread, but i'll go wherever you want, I got all the ammo you can stomach.

none of which are 30 second mix tapes.

DID YOU NOT SEE THE SECOND POST OF THIS THREAD?!!??!?!

Reading Is Fundamental

i shit and i stink

Not my business mind, I'm not even American, you guys just make me chuckle with how much you get into the small details of this stuff instead of just voting and keeping mum about it. When there is an election in Britain it is generally considered bad form to badger other people about their choices and very few people even ask who you voted for and never ask you to justify it with a list of facts and figures. A friend of mine was in the US last week and he says it is mental the way people try to twist family, friends and peple they have never met (ie. on interent forums) to their way of thinking, rather than just voting and chatting about more important stuff like which 2000 bootleg they prefer.

digster

timmyshee wrote:

Not my business mind, I'm not even American, you guys just make me chuckle with how much you get into the small details of this stuff instead of just voting and keeping mum about it. When there is an election in Britain it is generally considered bad form to badger other people about their choices and very few people even ask who you voted for and never ask you to justify it with a list of facts and figures. A friend of mine was in the US last week and he says it is mental the way people try to twist family, friends and peple they have never met (ie. on interent forums) to their way of thinking, rather than just voting and chatting about more important stuff like which 2000 bootleg they prefer.

No offense, but that sounds awfully boring. What's the point of having an election with no debating?

Commy

prytoj wrote:

Thanks for giving me a piece of meterial from an Obama-run (ahhhhh Annenburg-run, sorry) website.

whatever,

the fact is Obama is the most partisan politician in Congress, there's just no debating that. If anything, McCain is TOO centrist for most conservatives.
That's just plain and simple.
next...

Bill Kristol, the extreme neocon hawk in media, called Obama a 'centrist liberal' who will "disapoint" many people because his views aren't as far left as they hope.

that's saying something.

McCain's voted with Bush on the economy 100% of the time. If you liked Bush and this great recession you'll love McCain. Centrist is a terrible way to describe McCain. He is a republican, working for the rich, taking from the poor. Its what they do.

prytoj

taking the girls trick or treating,
we'll take this up tomorrow
better bone up on your facts, you'll need it.

jimed14

prytoj wrote:

taking the girls trick or treating,
we'll take this up tomorrow
better bone up on your facts, you'll need it.

read the second post. If you don't take the thread off subject ... can't wait.

enjoy your evening.

digster

I like prytoj. He's like a great representation of the McCain campaign.

"Now, the facts prove 2+2=18."
"No, 2+2=4."
"No! It equals 18! Look at the facts! Next!"

i shit and i stink

digster wrote:

No offense, but that sounds awfully boring. What's the point of having an election with no debating?

Just seems to me that there is a difference between debating and forcing your opinions on others. We listen to the facts, we make our minds up and we respect others right to their own opinion. As an outsider observing the American election, it seems that the fine line between respectful productive deabte and abusive comments questioning other peoples points of view is crossed more often than now. It has become a media scrum and a abuce-via-the-internet circus. That is boring!

digster

timmyshee wrote:

Just seems to me that there is a difference between debating and forcing your opinions on others. We listen to the facts, we make our minds up and we respect others right to their own opinion. As an outsider observing the American election, it seems that the fine line between respectful productive deabte and abusive comments questioning other peoples points of view is crossed more often than now. It has become a media scrum and a abuce-via-the-internet circus. That is boring!

I'd agree with that, but what you mentioned in your earlier post (i.e. asking people to back up their statements and trying to refute them), seems like good debate to me. It definitely crosses the line in many instances, but I'd say that stupidity knows no borders or boundaries. But the part where you vigorously debate things, I like that part of the election, and I wouldn't want it to be a country where it didn't occur. I agree with you on everything else, however.

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timmyshee wrote:

Just seems to me that there is a difference between debating and forcing your opinions on others. We listen to the facts, we make our minds up and we respect others right to their own opinion. As an outsider observing the American election, it seems that the fine line between respectful productive deabte and abusive comments questioning other peoples points of view is crossed more often than now. It has become a media scrum and a abuce-via-the-internet circus. That is boring!

I think frequently the problem is that what people present as facts informing their opinions are actually not true. So people feel obligated to set the facts straight and this necessarily calls into question the points of view that are based on the original misinformation.