The final warning of an Obama Presidency

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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    saveuplife wrote:
    It's not an economic system; sorry. As I've said fascism is a means of governing which requires by defition a dictatorship. Saying a "vote" for something is a step towards "fascism" is counterintutive.

    Whereas, a vote for Democrat is a vote for wealth redistribution; hence a vote for socialism.

    You do realize the Nazi party was voted into power in Germany in the early 1930's? I do not think it's an identical situation, but it's untrue to state that no one can 'vote' for a position or party that would edge a country closer towards fascism. It usually begins with a vote.
  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    saveuplife wrote:
    It's not an economic system; sorry. As I've said fascism is a means of governing which requires by defition a dictatorship. Saying a "vote" for something is a step towards "fascism" is counterintutive.

    Whereas, a vote for Democrat is a vote for wealth redistribution; hence a vote for socialism.

    Whoa.

    Have you ANY idea of what fascism ACTUALLY is? from a political and economic standpoint??

    What you've been saying throughout the thread just highlights that you SIMPLY don't. And that's to put it mildly.

    Your assertions have no grounding in historical facts nor political theory.
  • Mrs.Vedder78
    Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    saveuplife wrote:
    A lot of people already consider the UK and Canada socialist countries.

    If we keep voting Democrat, put simply... yes.

    Who is a lot of people?
    "Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV
  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    saveuplife wrote:
    If you vote Democrat you vote to take a step further towards socialism.

    If you vote Republican you vote to take a step further towards capitalism.

    Haven't you watched the news this past month or so?

    Which party basically nationalised US banks?

    So, by your own (warped) definition of socialism, is the GOP a socialist party?

    By the way, redistribution of wealth is taxation.

    If that's your criterion to define socialism, it's still wrong.

    All western capitalist states have taxation. Without it, states cannot function and perform basic activities, including financing a standing army, among other things.
  • _Crazy_Mary_
    _Crazy_Mary_ Posts: 1,299
    As George Orwell said, "The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies 'something not desirable.'"
    I really screwed that up. I really Schruted it.
  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    digster wrote:
    I think there are many socialists in the world that would laugh at the notion that Obama's policies are 'socialist.' In many cases, they are not even in the same ballpark.

    Indeed.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    brandon10 wrote:
    I'll take a hint of socialism over fascism any day.

    Telling people how they should live because of religion has fascist tendencies.

    Tell me, how exactly has this religion thing affected you? Could you still have sex with a dude if you wanted to? Yes. Can your girlfriend have an abortion if she wanted to. Yes. Can you be an athiest and speak out against religion. Yes. Can you ignore creationism and study evolution. Yes. Can you be as Green or as anti-environment as you want? Yes. Was the war in Iraq fought for religion or oil? The answer is oil, at least to most Dems.

    So to summarize, this whole religion thing does not support your fascism agenda.
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Tell me, how exactly has this religion thing affected you? Could you still have sex with a dude if you wanted to? Yes. Can your girlfriend have an abortion if she wanted to. Yes. Can you be an athiest and speak out against religion. Yes. Can you ignore creationism and study evolution. Yes. Can you be as Green or as anti-environment as you want? Yes. Was the war in Iraq fought for religion or oil? The answer is oil, at least to most Dems.

    So to summarize, this whole religion thing does not support your fascism agenda.


    If the neo-cons from the Gop ever got their way, abortion would be illegal and gays would never be allowed to marry.

    Oxford American Dictionary:

    Fascism n. A system of extreme RIGHT WING government.
  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    Just got back in from the field, tending to the working poor...

    Good discussion. Just wanted to make a couple quick points.

    While it seems oh so practical to roll back the top tax to the Clinton years, we seem to forget that we were in a time of peace then. We simply can't afford to hike taxes for small business right now. Disagree with the war, or parts of it, like most of us do, the facts are the facts (FACT!)

    But I'm lookin out for you. I work in Palm Beach County, specializing in single family home construction. And it may be a little slower, but there's no end to the amount of wealth in this area. Rich people will always be able to afford to build a new home, so I'm set. I'm good, I'm experienced, and I'm well enough connected that I'll not worry about this too much. It's only the not so good, the not so experienced or established that are falling.

    But to all you newcomers to the workforce, when my business starts making around 230k a year (and it's headed that way even now), and you need a job from me, guess what?

    Good luck with your job search.

    Now some family time.
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    prytoj wrote:
    Just got back in from the field, tending to the working poor...

    Good discussion. Just wanted to make a couple quick points.

    While it seems oh so practical to roll back the top tax to the Clinton years, we seem to forget that we were in a time of peace then. We simply can't afford to hike taxes for small business right now. Disagree with the war, or parts of it, like most of us do, the facts are the facts (FACT!)

    But I'm lookin out for you. I work in Palm Beach County, specializing in single family home construction. And it may be a little slower, but there's no end to the amount of wealth in this area. Rich people will always be able to afford to build a new home, so I'm set. I'm good, I'm experienced, and I'm well enough connected that I'll not worry about this too much. It's only the not so good, the not so experienced or established that are falling.

    But to all you newcomers to the workforce, when my business starts making around 230k a year (and it's headed that way even now), and you need a job from me, guess what?

    Good luck with your job search.

    Now some family time.



    How american of you, such a patriot.
  • Scuba200ft
    Scuba200ft Posts: 24
    digster wrote:
    I'm sure it's a coincidence that this is the top story of the Drudge Report.

    http://www.drudgereport.com

    It's starting to become pretty fun to go to Drudge in the morning these days. Usually, he tries to put up some hint of impartiality, but that's out the window. He seems to be wigging out, and it's great to see.

    You mean impartial like Olbermann? At least he doesnt claim to be a "news" channel.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    brandon10 wrote:
    If the neo-cons from the Gop ever got their way, abortion would be illegal and gays would never be allowed to marry.

    Oxford American Dictionary:

    Fascism n. A system of extreme RIGHT WING government.

    Well, we had a Republican controlled House, Senate, and White House, and abortion is still legal and gay marraige has been expanded into more states. Quit ur bitchin'.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    Open wrote:
    How american of you, such a patriot.

    Hey, he's not setting the tax code.
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Well, we had a Republican controlled House, Senate, and White House, and abortion is still legal and gay marraige has been expanded into more states. Quit ur bitchin'.


    So your saying the republicans are full of shit and using those issues to win votes and stay in power?
  • Scuba200ft
    Scuba200ft Posts: 24
    On another note, just got my latest email. Why in the hell can't Pearl jam just be about the music? Why do I have to be subjected to endless political BS when I just want to hear their music and receive MUSIC news?

    Has anyone actually voted one way or the other because of what some 100 millionaire thinks?

    If the answer is yes, you should have your voting privileges revoked.
  • Austicman
    Austicman Posts: 1,328
    How many persona's does Sean Hannity have on this board? Good Grief!!!
    I can't go the library anymore, everyone STINKS!!
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Well, we had a Republican controlled House, Senate, and White House, and abortion is still legal and gay marraige has been expanded into more states. Quit ur bitchin'.


    You do bring up a good point. From 2000 to 2006 we had a Republican in the White House and a Republican controlled Congress yet many of their social initiatives, abortion and gay marriage, did not get fulfilled. I have always believed that these conservative politicians don't really want Roe v. Wade overturned or the Constitution amended to prevent gay marriage because it would essentially take away one of their biggest rallying cries.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    Scuba200ft wrote:
    On another note, just got my latest email. Why in the hell can't Pearl jam just be about the music? Why do I have to be subjected to endless political BS when I just want to hear their music and receive MUSIC news?

    Has anyone actually voted one way or the other because of what some 100 millionaire thinks?

    If the answer is yes, you should have your voting privileges revoked.

    Dont buy a cd, dont go to a concert...who the f are u to tell them what they can/can't do...
  • Scuba200ft
    Scuba200ft Posts: 24
    Open wrote:
    Dont buy a cd, dont go to a concert...who the f are u to tell them what they can/can't do...


    My point exactly, I have no right to tell anyone what to do. Nor do I think anyone should have to listen to my political drivel.

    I do buy the CD's. I do fly to and attend their shows. That doesnt mean I have to enjoy the political seminar from a very wealthy pack of rock stars, does it?

    Or do I have to be a left wing lemming to enjoy their music? The funny part is, I agree with damn near everything they spew. I would probably vote for Stone for president if he ran. The only part I dont agree with is their choice for president, and his FISCAL views. If PJ is so damn intent on supporting free speech, why in the hell are they supporting a regime change that will exert more control over the people of the U.S than in any modern time?

    Doesnt anyone understand that Democrats are about bigger and more controlling government? Am I insane?
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    Scuba200ft wrote:
    My point exactly, I have no right to tell anyone what to do. Nor do I think anyone should have to listen to my political drivel.

    I do buy the CD's. I do fly to and attend their shows. That doesnt mean I have to enjoy the political seminar from a very wealthy pack of rock stars, does it?

    Or do I have to be a left wing lemming to enjoy their music? The funny part is, I agree with damn near everything they spew. I would probably vote for Stone for president if he ran. The only part I dont agree with is their choice for president, and his FISCAL views. If PJ is so damn intent on supporting free speech, why in the hell are they supporting a regime change that will exert more control over the people of the U.S than in any modern time?

    Doesnt anyone understand that Democrats are about bigger and more controlling government? Am I insane?

    It's a "risk" you assume...you're buying the ticket. They are not paying you to be there....

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