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suns rivalsuns rival Posts: 15,926
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
...pardon me for not being an american. just wanna know why the two bushes love war? the two Bushes are republicans. is waging war the policy of GOP?
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    suns rival wrote:
    ...pardon me for not being an american. just wanna know why the two bushes love war? the two Bushes are republicans. is waging war the policy of GOP?

    It was also the policy of Clinton. I think it's a U.S government/big business/arms trade thing.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Byrnzie wrote:
    It was also the policy of Clinton. I think it's a U.S government/big business/arms trade thing.

    More specific to the Bushes:

    the Carlyle Group
    the Bin laden group
    Halliburton (Cheney, anyway)
    James Bath
    the CIA (Bush Sr. was director back in the day and still gets daily briefings)
    the Saudi's

    making money, lots of money.
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  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    gue_barium wrote:
    More specific to the Bushes:

    the Carlyle Group
    the Bin laden group
    Halliburton (Cheney, anyway)
    James Bath
    the CIA (Bush Sr. was director back in the day and still gets daily briefings)
    the Saudi's

    making money, lots of money.

    yes because bush is the only u.s president to ever wage war.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    miller8966 wrote:
    yes because bush is the only u.s president to ever wage war.

    no, but he is the only (aside from maybe reagan, surprise surprise) to do so in the face of unanimous international opposition.
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    soulsinging wrote:
    no, but he is the only (aside from maybe reagan, surprise surprise) to do so in the face of unanimous international opposition.

    the international community doesn't matter to us...duh!
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    miller8966 wrote:
    the international community doesn't matter to us...duh!

    and that is why terrorists like to attack us and why we have the GREAT world opinion we have today.
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  • thankyougrandmathankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    miller8966 wrote:
    the international community doesn't matter to us...duh!

    it does matter to many americans from what i can understand... You do not represent the "US"...
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I don't have a problem with George H.W.Bush. I think he did a pretty good job during his term.
    You cannot equate the Gulf War (1991) with the mess we are in today. The elder Bush KNEW what a mess it would be and how the nation would not stand for such a military fiasco. That is why he steered clear of occupying Baghdad in 1991... it was not the clearly defined military objective. The objective was to enforce the U.N. Resolution to eject Iraqi armed forces from the soverign nation of Kuwait... and that was it. not to chase them back intro Baghdad and endure a decade long occupation where military personel and civilians die on a daily basis. The 'Job' of the fisrt Gulf War was DONE. There was no 'Finishing the Job' that seems to be popular with mini-Bush fans. The Gulf War of 1991 was a justified military action that was planned and executed by those who learned the lessons of Viet Nam.
    And the 1992 wasn't so much a Clinton win... I believe Bush Sr. had a couple of huge obstacles he could not overcome... Dan Quayle was a liability. Shoulda went with Jack Kemp... dumped Quayle on his ass. The other obstacle... H.Ross Perot. He was the Nader of '92. He took more Bush votes than Clinton votes because he preached to the conservative numbnuts that believed a washed out GM Exec could run the country. The guy could deal with the beauracracy of GM... the Federal government is 1,000 times worse. If Perot would have won... he would have quit after a month because he couldn't be able to dictate his will over Congress and we would have been stuck with Vice President (Who Am I) Stockdale.
    So... I don't think it's fair to blame G.H.W. Bush for Georgie's screw ups. We all know someone who is a great guy... but, has a fuck as a kid, right? Just look at the Bush's.
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  • americanamerican Posts: 55
    suns rival wrote:
    ...pardon me for not being an american. just wanna know why the two bushes love war? the two Bushes are republicans. is waging war the policy of GOP?
    If you beleive Bush Sr. and Jr. love war you have already answered your question. Do you know what stereotype means?
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    soulsinging wrote:
    no, but he is the only (aside from maybe reagan, surprise surprise) to do so in the face of unanimous international opposition.
    Yes sir........everybody was patting ole' LBJ on the back about that there Vietnam thing he had going on......:rolleyes:
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  • scot88scot88 Posts: 217
    this is the dumbest fucking thread i've ever read. if you want to know more about the bushes or the republican party, google them or look it up on wikipedia. if i want to know more about a foreign president/ruler/whatever, i'm not going to ask people on an online forum. i'll do some research. i don't know if the original poster is trying to gain acceptance in a mainly liberal forum or what. in every aspect, this is just fucking stupid.
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    The Bushs' wage war because they believe they can keep america from being attacked and keep it safe.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    tybird wrote:
    Yes sir........everybody was patting ole' LBJ on the back about that there Vietnam thing he had going on......:rolleyes:

    vietnam was as much kennedy's fault as lbj. though i think lbj is one of the worst presidents in history. however, vietnam was a snowballing mess from the get-go. we were bailing out the french at first and world opinion was not as cohesive as now. it kinda just spun out of control. that's a bit different from reagan deciding to invade any latin american country he didnt like or bush's jaunt into iraq. honestly, i dont know why you righties always get your backs up anytime someone says reagan wasn't the greatest human being ever to walk this earth. shit, most of you would rate him higher than jesus. i truly expect christianity to have evolved in another 2000 years into worship of reagan.

    i call them like i see them. lbj was reprehensible, but diff. reagan and dubya were idiots. bush sr... ok in my book.
  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    READ :Antony Sutton - Americas Secret Establishment An Introduction to Skull and Bones: you will learn all about how the human race is manipulated by "the elite" and how they cause,fund & profit from wars.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


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  • mrwalkerbmrwalkerb Posts: 1,015
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    The Bushs' wage war because they believe they can keep america from being attacked and keep it safe.


    I agree, I really belive despite everything that's going on the heart of it Bush thinks he is doing the right thing, he might be told what to do by the puppet masters behind him but if so they prey on his beliefs. People think he's realy vindictive but I honestly believe him to just be naive and at the bottom of it an optimist.
    "I'm not suicidal, except when I drink. That's why we don't all drink at the same time, there'd be no-one alive to drive home..."
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  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    mrwalkerb wrote:
    I agree, I really belive despite everything that's going on the heart of it Bush thinks he is doing the right thing, he might be told what to do by the puppet masters behind him but if so they prey on his beliefs. People think he's realy vindictive but I honestly believe him to just be naive and at the bottom of it an optimist.



    your dead wrong,read the book i suggested in my previous post.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • mrwalkerbmrwalkerb Posts: 1,015
    JamMastaE wrote:
    your dead wrong,read the book i suggested in my previous post.

    how bout you provide the 2500 word version I have other stuff to read in the meantime, and I mean this in the most sincere way possible.
    "I'm not suicidal, except when I drink. That's why we don't all drink at the same time, there'd be no-one alive to drive home..."
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  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    mrwalkerb wrote:
    how bout you provide the 2500 word version I have other stuff to read in the meantime, and I mean this in the most sincere way possible.


    somethings have to be studied in detail to fully understand them,there is no condensed version,BUT!! this is one of the most important books you will ever read.look on the web,you can find a pdf. version.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • mrwalkerbmrwalkerb Posts: 1,015
    JamMastaE wrote:
    somethings have to be studied in detail to fully understand them,there is no condensed version,BUT!! this is one of the most important books you will ever read.look on the web,you can find a pdf. version.

    only if you promise to read a short history of progress by Richard Wright
    "I'm not suicidal, except when I drink. That's why we don't all drink at the same time, there'd be no-one alive to drive home..."
    Chris Cornell

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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Jesus.

    H.

    Christ.
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  • ONCE DEVIDEDONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    gue_barium wrote:
    More specific to the Bushes:

    the Carlyle Group
    the Bin laden group
    Halliburton (Cheney, anyway)
    James Bath
    the CIA (Bush Sr. was director back in the day and still gets daily briefings)
    the Saudi's

    making money, lots of money.
    Just rehashing MIKE moore crap does nothing for the debate.
    How about your own thoughts??
    You think youve got it bad. in Australia we have a government who ( as ed said ) is giving your president a head job with our lips.
    yes gwb what ever you want.
    we will alllow an australian to sit in your gulag for 5 years without question
    etc etc
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:
    Just rehashing MIKE moore crap does nothing for the debate.
    How about your own thoughts??
    You think youve got it bad. in Australia we have a government who ( as ed said ) is giving your president a head job with our lips.
    yes gwb what ever you want.
    we will alllow an australian to sit in your gulag for 5 years without question
    etc etc

    I shall give you leeway, being you have just 87 posts or so. Trust me, I didn't check the other 86.
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  • ONCE DEVIDEDONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    gue_barium wrote:
    I shall give you leeway, being you have just 87 posts or so. Trust me, I didn't check the other 86.
    mate, trust me im onyour side but the comment i quoted is staight from farinheight 911
    I have been on other boards and have seen the same comments come from many and the retorts are always deriding MIKE moore as a Bandwagon rider. Its a pity that that movie was so big as the arguments made in it have been HOLLYWOODED and now ignored by the mainstream media and the public.
    All I asked you for were your views. I for instance spoke of human rights violations of citizens of my country
    my 86 to your 619 what does that matter, am I not good enough because I havnt been here longer. At some stage you only had 86 posts, does that mean your views then were not valid
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    soulsinging wrote:
    vietnam was as much kennedy's fault as lbj. though i think lbj is one of the worst presidents in history. however, vietnam was a snowballing mess from the get-go. we were bailing out the french at first and world opinion was not as cohesive as now. it kinda just spun out of control. that's a bit different from reagan deciding to invade any latin american country he didnt like or bush's jaunt into iraq. honestly, i dont know why you righties always get your backs up anytime someone says reagan wasn't the greatest human being ever to walk this earth. shit, most of you would rate him higher than jesus. i truly expect christianity to have evolved in another 2000 years into worship of reagan.

    i call them like i see them. lbj was reprehensible, but diff. reagan and dubya were idiots. bush sr... ok in my book.
    Who said that I was a "rightie"? Besides JFK did not live long enough for 'Nam to become a weight around his neck like what LBJ endured.

    Reagan was good to okay.......I would have preferred at least one more term for Ford.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • suns rivalsuns rival Posts: 15,926
    scot88 wrote:
    this is the dumbest fucking thread i've ever read. if you want to know more about the bushes or the republican party, google them or look it up on wikipedia. if i want to know more about a foreign president/ruler/whatever, i'm not going to ask people on an online forum. i'll do some research. i don't know if the original poster is trying to gain acceptance in a mainly liberal forum or what. in every aspect, this is just fucking stupid.

    fuck you! why would you post here if you think this thread is stupid? you're stupid also. dumbass!
    scratching my butt...
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  • scot88scot88 Posts: 217
    suns rival wrote:
    fuck you! why would you post here if you think this thread is stupid? you're stupid also. dumbass!

    really mature.


    i say this thread is stupid (cos let's face it, it is), and you attack me personally. unlike you, i don't get offended when someone who i don't know nor will ever know insults me on an online forum. deal with it.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    JamMastaE wrote:
    your dead wrong,read the book i suggested in my previous post.
    I suggest you start with one of these books. you have alot of catching up to do

    http://www.allaboardtoys.com/sesame_street/books/
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    JamMastaE wrote:
    somethings have to be studied in detail to fully understand them,there is no condensed version,BUT!! this is one of the most important books you will ever read.look on the web,you can find a pdf. version.

    is it as exciting and factual as the da vinci code? i love a good conspiracy novel.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    tybird wrote:
    Who said that I was a "rightie"? Besides JFK did not live long enough for 'Nam to become a weight around his neck like what LBJ endured.

    Reagan was good to okay.......I would have preferred at least one more term for Ford.

    fair enough. just seemed like you were getting your back up about reagan and i find that incredibly annoying. also wanted to point out i give no pass to the many presidents involved in vietnam, but the circumstances there were different. it wasnt an outright offensive invasion. it began as an invited defense of colonialism and snowballed out of control.
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