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156 Kids under the age of 15 died in Lebanon after 16 days of the israeli attacks !!!

Woodstock69Woodstock69 Posts: 56
edited July 2006 in A Moving Train
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  • Woodstock69Woodstock69 Posts: 56
    Some ED Vedder lyrics that resume that situation !!!

    "Bombs,... dropping down....
    Overhead,... underground...
    It's instilled...to wanna live.

    Bombs,... dropping down,...
    Please forgive,..our hometown...
    In our insignificance"
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Statistically, children make up a good percentage of civilians. Did you not think there were children in Lebenon?
  • Infinity_NowInfinity_Now Posts: 188
    For a little more personal perspective on the whole war in Palestine going on, I actually put together this Powerpoint when I first saw the included images online:

    http://rapidshare.de/files/26782340/2006IsraelPalestineConflictMAP.mov.html

    It's actually a interactive Quicktime movie, I put a whole lot of research into it - so... enjoy...
  • worldworld Posts: 266
    Are you suprised that when bombs fall on cities that people die, including children?

    If 156 kids dieing during a war bothers you enough to add three exclamation points, dont go lookin up how many kids die in car accidents every year.
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    world wrote:
    Are you suprised that when bombs fall on cities that people die, including children?

    Makes for a damn good reason why they shouldn't be falling there.
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  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    my question is why wasn't and hasn't the deaths of children in Iraq been equally scrutinized? Far more terrorized and died there since our invasion.

    as for the situation, for 6 yrs the international community has done nothing after signing UN resolution 15xx which including disarming Hezbollah, but no one wanted to touch that...now the situation is far worse.

    no easy answers, no easy fix, but seems to be pretty easy to sit back and watch innocent people die why governments talk about doing something...a sad sad issue in a long line of sad sad issues :(
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  • worldworld Posts: 266
    beachdweller wrote:
    as for the situation, for 6 yrs the international community has done nothing after signing UN resolution 15xx which including disarming Hezbollah, but no one wanted to touch that...now the situation is far worse.

    I think socialists, democrats, republicans, and libertarians can all agree that the UN is a joke.
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  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    world wrote:
    I think socialists, democrats, republicans, and libertarians can all agree that the UN is a joke.

    I like the UN as a tool to keep Nations speaking, but it should never be relied upon to be a means of change or action
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  • pjalive21pjalive21 Posts: 2,818
    beachdweller wrote:
    I like the UN as a tool to keep Nations speaking, but it should never be relied upon to be a means of change or action

    i totally agree with you here....

    also why isnt there more of a cry for Hezbollah to stop doing what they are doing?
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,942
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Makes for a damn good reason why they shouldn't be falling there.

    You'd think it would be a damn good reason that Hezbollah doesn't set up shop in civilian areas. But isn't that the intention? Hezbollah has as much care for Lebanese children as Irael does.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    You'd think it would be a damn good reason that Hezbollah doesn't set up shop in civilian areas. But isn't that the intention? Hezbollah has as much care for Lebanese children as Irael does.

    When Israel attacks Lebanon the people have a right to defend themselves, no? Israel has bombed bridges, power supplies, water facilities-these are all civilian infrastructure targets-Hezbollah is defending its territory...they try to defend targets that ISrael attacks.


    Israel is the one on the offensive here, I think people tend to overlook that fact.
  • pjalive21pjalive21 Posts: 2,818
    Commy wrote:
    When Israel attacks Lebanon the people have a right to defend themselves, no? Israel has bombed bridges, power supplies, water facilities-these are all civilian infrastructure targets-Hezbollah is defending its territory...they try to defend targets that ISrael attacks.


    Israel is the one on the offensive here, I think people tend to overlook that fact.

    actually Hezbollah took the initial offensive and now Israel is taking action, Hezbollah has been shooting rockets at Israel for awhile now, it just hasnt been all over the news like it is now until Israel got fed up....and its not the people defending themselves its the terrorist who are living amongst the people using them as shields

    its almost sad how much sympathy Hezbollah is getting from people...whats next we feel for Al Queda?

    hopefully this gets resolved but as history shows its unlikely
  • worldworld Posts: 266
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Hezbollah has as much care for Lebanese children as Irael does.

    Thats true, its just like the "human shields" used in the Gulf War back in the early 90s. I remember footage of Iraqies being forced to live and sleep around military targets.
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  • Infinity_NowInfinity_Now Posts: 188
    pjalive21 wrote:
    actually Hezbollah took the initial offensive and now Israel is taking action, Hezbollah has been shooting rockets at Israel for awhile now, it just hasnt been all over the news like it is now until Israel got fed up....and its not the people defending themselves its the terrorist who are living amongst the people using them as shields

    its almost sad how much sympathy Hezbollah is getting from people...whats next we feel for Al Queda?

    hopefully this gets resolved but as history shows its unlikely

    It is heavily disputed, whether Israel or Hezbollah took the first offensive.

    It is nothing new for major powers to commit acts of terrorism in order to provoke or justify counter-terrorism. I'm sure anyone who has ever read anything by Chomsky will agree with this.

    We can't trust the people with the bigger/badder guns. ...I mean, if these nations - the U.S. and Israel - were not sovereign nations with social stigmas to enforce (nationalism) and religious/military encouragement to "protect the homeland," - if they were just warring factions of criminal enterprise (ie. mafia/yakuza)... If they didn't have flags and song's and pretty pictures of their histories - then none of this would be tolarated. Surely people would see what they are doing is clearly voracious aggressiveness and a fallacious march of godliness, that is power over the innocent.

    So well, Hezbollah can ride their rockets back to hell, Israel can and will probably follow (to set up further Imperialist/Feudal regions of their holy state.) I think it should be considered that we equally blame whoever has a gun pointed at another. Both Israel and Hezbollah need to cease fire. Otherwise this war will never cease.

    Oh yeah - and FUCK...

    This war is currently Israel's fault:
    http://gnn.tv/headlines/10173/Hezbullah_Wants_Immediate_Cease_Fire

    They may not have started it - but they want it, they want it to continue... ufkincg hrcits!

    Everafter Hezbollah offered a cease-fire - from now on, I say every live lost drips through the bloody hands of Israel for refusing cease-fire. It's cuirrently their fault. Give the Israeli populace all the sympathy you can muster, sure! But their government is surely corrupt.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    pjalive21 wrote:
    actually Hezbollah took the initial offensive and now Israel is taking action, Hezbollah has been shooting rockets at Israel for awhile now, it just hasnt been all over the news like it is now until Israel got fed up....and its not the people defending themselves its the terrorist who are living amongst the people using them as shields

    its almost sad how much sympathy Hezbollah is getting from people...whats next we feel for Al Queda?

    hopefully this gets resolved but as history shows its unlikely


    So you're saying Lebanon and the Palestinian people don't have the right to defend themselves? Really...

    Seriously, look at this objectively. Israel has been killing palestinian children at the rate of 5 to 1, fro many years now. That's common knowledge. Israel has been far more aggressive and damaging in its attacks. For every Israeli child killed by the "terrorists", 5 palestinian children are killed by Israeli weaponry, supplied by the US. So to say Hezbollah started this is insane.

    The recent hostililties flared when Israeli soldiers kidnapped palestinian civilians-to this day nobody knows where they are-including a doctor. Hezbollah, in an effort to get them back, took some Israeli soldiers prisoner-to make a prisoner exchange.

    Israel then started bombing a city...full of civilians. And you're saying Hezbollah has no right to defend its inhabitants?

    Seriously, objectively look at the scenario. The rocket attacks have done minimal damage to Israeli cities, while entire cities are being destroyed by the Israeli Army, and the number of innocents being killed by both sides is a very telling statistic.

    Don't people have a right to defend themselves from Israeli aggression?
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    world wrote:
    Thats true, its just like the "human shields" used in the Gulf War back in the early 90s. I remember footage of Iraqies being forced to live and sleep around military targets.

    That's not true. If it was they they would be spread out all over the country instead one concentrated area. So why is Israel bombing every where including heavily populated areas? They are putting the whole country under seige not just Hezbollah. If they want people to symapthize with their cause then they should stop the indiscriminative bombing. This will only breed more hate and anger against them. Israel has used human shields as well so it's really a moot point.
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  • worldworld Posts: 266
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Israel has used human shields as well so it's really a moot point.

    I dont know if I belive that. Hezbollah wants to kill Jews, so why would the Jews put other Jews around military targets to prevent Muslims from bombing them? Muslims have been suicide bombing school buses. The bomber wasnt tring to blow up the bus, he was tring to kill the people. Adding more people to the bus would not prevent the bombing.
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    world wrote:
    I dont know if I belive that. Hezbollah wants to kill Jews, so why would the Jews put other Jews around military targets to prevent Muslims from bombing them? Muslims have been suicide bombing school buses. The bomber wasnt tring to blow up the bus, he was tring to kill the people. Adding more people to the bus would not prevent the bombing.

    they use palestinians. it is a current theme in amnesty international's yearly report (along w/ attacking ambulances and other 'war crimes')

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,867343,00.html
    Israel's human shields draw fire...
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • worldworld Posts: 266
    ahhh, I understand now
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  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    It surprises me how many people are looking at this as collateral. What a fucking shame.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    world wrote:
    I think socialists, democrats, republicans, and libertarians can all agree that the UN is a joke.

    I think that anyone with an iota of sense can agree that 5 countries having the power of automatic veto and abusing that power is a fucking joke.
    For example:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2000.htm
  • thankyougrandmathankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    Woodstock69 wrote:
    Source : "Unicef" !!! NO COMMENT !!!

    disgusting, makes me sick, what makes me even more sick is those who defend that, again, pathetic...
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  • pjalive21pjalive21 Posts: 2,818
    Commy wrote:
    So you're saying Lebanon and the Palestinian people don't have the right to defend themselves? Really...

    i never said that.....
    Commy wrote:
    Seriously, look at this objectively. Israel has been killing palestinian children at the rate of 5 to 1, fro many years now. That's common knowledge. Israel has been far more aggressive and damaging in its attacks. For every Israeli child killed by the "terrorists", 5 palestinian children are killed by Israeli weaponry, supplied by the US. So to say Hezbollah started this is insane.

    what about the rate at which terrorist like Hezbollah kill people?
    Commy wrote:
    The recent hostililties flared when Israeli soldiers kidnapped palestinian civilians-to this day nobody knows where they are-including a doctor. Hezbollah, in an effort to get them back, took some Israeli soldiers prisoner-to make a prisoner exchange.

    you really think this is how it started? more sympathy for Hezbollah i see
    Commy wrote:
    Israel then started bombing a city...full of civilians. And you're saying Hezbollah has no right to defend its inhabitants?

    Hezbollah arent defending them they are using them as shields so there propaganda of Israel being "civilian killers" will get them sympathy like you are trying to create for them
    Commy wrote:
    Seriously, objectively look at the scenario. The rocket attacks have done minimal damage to Israeli cities, while entire cities are being destroyed by the Israeli Army, and the number of innocents being killed by both sides is a very telling statistic.

    Don't people have a right to defend themselves from Israeli aggression?

    since when do rockets do "minimal damage?" last i saw they were taking down buildings

    i will agree with you that the amount of innocents being killed is alarming but why arent these civilians standing up to Hezbollah or fleeing? you know why they are being held captive by Hezbollah
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