Policing sa Tuiasceart?

aoife

Should Sinn Fein accept?
spelled Tuaisceart wrong there

CorporateWhore

aoife wrote:

Should Sinn Fein accept?
spelled Tuaisceart wrong there

"I sat me down the valley green
I sat me with my true love
My sad heart strove the two between
The old love and the new love
The old for her, the new
that made me think on Ireland dear
While soft the wind blew down the Glen
And shook the golden barley..."

And yes, that was from memory...

The Wind that Shakes the Barley wasn't quite what I was expecting, though! A bit of a socialist propaganda piece if you ask me.

If I was Irish, I'd probably be in Fine Gael. Sinn Fein is a bit too socialist for me.

Maybe link to a story and we non-Gaelic speakers can learn about it

FinsburyParkCarrots

aoife wrote:

Should Sinn Fein accept?
spelled Tuaisceart wrong there

Better them, than some New World Order Eurocops, maybe.

Rhinocerous Surprise

It's hard to tell. I don't trust Adams, Paisley (or Ahern or Blair, for that matter). But I do think this is a chance to advance the peace process - if Sinn Féin don't accept, it's gonna set things back a whole lot, and even the slightest hope of power sharing in the north will be pushed into the distant future.

Basically, I don't know. I want a united Ireland, but I'm not sure I want Sinn Féin or the DUP involved. Pipe dreams.

aoife

http://www.sinnfein.ie/gaelic/news/detail/17344

Heineken Helen

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

It's hard to tell. I don't trust Adams, Paisley (or Ahern or Blair, for that matter). But I do think this is a chance to advance the peace process - if Sinn Féin don't accept, it's gonna set things back a whole lot, and even the slightest hope of power sharing in the north will be pushed into the distant future.

Basically, I don't know. I want a united Ireland, but I'm not sure I want Sinn Féin or the DUP involved. Pipe dreams.

I agree... I think there needs to be a shake up of politics in the north - too much history with those involved, get some fresh blood in there and make a FRESH start. With those two bickering at eachother constantly over every little thing, it's never REALLY going to move on. They all need to just grow up.

siochan

Personally speaking I think it would be wonderful for everyone in the north to kiss and make up.................... BUT ( and there's always a but...)

In regard to Sinn Fein changing their policy on the PSNI /RUC (whatever you want to call them) it's a wee bit more complex than just accepting them as a police force and therefore revamping the whole sorry stormont story.
Sinn Fein ( who incidentally are so far from socialism it's scary ) are currently a party of hyprocrites and in regard to political advancement i'd prefer both themselves alone and the DUP devils be thrown from party politics forever.
Those within the current leadership of Sinn Fein are the same people who advocated killing young catholics than joined the police force and alienating their entire family circle. I realise people can change and BIG change is needed here in the north ................however it will not happen by Sinn Fein superfically accepting the PSNI and living happily ever after. There are many scars that will not heal just by changing the name and uniform of a police service and recieving acceptance from politicians who have sold out a long time ago. It will take several generations before there will be true progression on this matter.

In reference again to Sinn Fein - they are currently doing what they always do and expelling those who refuse to tow the party line so when it comes to voting on the decision to accept the PSNI only party faithful will remain and therefore big gerry gets what he wants ( the power hunger son of a bitch that he is) .................................

aoife

[quote="siochan
Sinn Fein ( who incidentally are so far from socialism it's scary ) quote"]
How so?

siochan

aoife wrote:

[quote="siochan
Sinn Fein ( who incidentally are so far from socialism it's scary ) quote"]

How so?

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Sinn Fein did utter socialist tendancies in the early days of the "troubles" but in regard to socialism being a principle of the party ..... well you should ask the health system and the education system in the north where Sinn Fein implemented PPI /PFI. Something that even the conservatives refused to do here.
Sinn Fein are very much right wing in their policies. I would comment though that in the south of Ireland Sinn Fein are still at that " we're the grassroots " level but if you look back historically on the north that's merely how they achieved their base power . Once they had such power they distanced themselves from so many campaigns focused on social justice both national and international.
In a few months look out for the non appearance of Sinn Fein in water protests in the north - as they where pretty much absent from the Campaign against bin tax in Dublin .............. the list goes on and on.

Anyone in a leadership position within Sinn Fein will never utter the words socialist - to describe their party however the wee minions doing the ground work for the big wigs will very often refer to themselves as socialists.
( the days of James Connolly are long gone)

Madra Rua

siochan wrote:

aoife wrote:

Sinn Fein did utter socialist tendancies in the early days of the "troubles" but in regard to socialism being a principle of the party ..... well you should ask the health system and the education system in the north where Sinn Fein implemented PPI /PFI. Something that even the conservatives refused to do here.
Sinn Fein are very much right wing in their policies. I would comment though that in the south of Ireland Sinn Fein are still at that " we're the grassroots " level but if you look back historically on the north that's merely how they achieved their base power . Once they had such power they distanced themselves from so many campaigns focused on social justice both national and international.
In a few months look out for the non appearance of Sinn Fein in water protests in the north - as they where pretty much absent from the Campaign against bin tax in Dublin .............. the list goes on and on.

Anyone in a leadership position within Sinn Fein will never utter the words socialist - to describe their party however the wee minions doing the ground work for the big wigs will very often refer to themselves as socialists.
( the days of James Connolly are long gone)

Well speaking as a grass roots member of Sinn Fein in the south i can say that our cumann is definately grounded in socialism, just right now we are supporting the Cork Shell to sea Campaign by helping organise and also by taking part in protests( we also do leaflet drops and information stalls to raise awarness), We have an on going anti-coca -cola campaign and another member of our cumann and i have recently begun a campaign to lower the price of the college creche to make it easier for single parents and less well off parents to come to college and study. These are all small things but i sincerely do believe that at least in the South Sinn Fein is a grassroots party and that if they won power down here they would definately pursue a socialist agenda because of the integrity of its membership and their committement to an Ireland of equals

siochan

Madra Rua wrote:

siochan wrote:

Well speaking as a grass roots member of Sinn Fein in the south i can say that our cumann is definately grounded in socialism, just right now we are supporting the Cork Shell to sea Campaign by helping organise and also by taking part in protests( we also do leaflet drops and information stalls to raise awarness), We have an on going anti-coca -cola campaign and another member of our cumann and i have recently begun a campaign to lower the price of the college creche to make it easier for single parents and less well off parents to come to college and study. These are all small things but i sincerely do believe that at least in the South Sinn Fein is a grassroots party and that if they won power down here they would definately pursue a socialist agenda because of the integrity of its membership and their committement to an Ireland of equals

as i previously stated The cumann in the south are where those in the north where at decades ago I am not doubting your socialist ideology but rather stating that as a whole SF are not a socialist party ..... I am active politically both north and south and although I know many SF members and activists regardless of what each specific individual / cumann does the party as a whole do not reflect truly this socialist thinking.... similiar to the difference of SF and Ogra where the latter remain bounded in their socialist principles.