I'm all for diplomacy and dialouge, but I have to agree. How do you rationalize and negotiate with a government that has this perspective, this agenda? I don't see any common ground. Our cultures are directly at odds with each other. We aren't going to cede anything to the Iranians that will undermine our position in the future and visa versa.
Furthermore, how is it that a guy like this can just straight out lie to the world like he does??? Seems crazy to me... How in the world can people talk about fearing the U.S. more than any other country when this presidential nutjob, holocaust denier boasts of superior intellectual dialouge and freedom of speech compared to the West, when that is complete bullshit???? Makes you kind of scratch your head.....
The dumbest thing Bush has ever done, and for the record the stupidest thing any American president has ever done (IMO) is the whole aircraft carrier/mission accomplished stunt. As looney and compeltely mind bogglingly fucked up as that was.... it doesn't even compare to this guy!!!!!!!
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The problem is... the way we have played our hand... we are now FORCED into a position where we HAVE TO recognize this idiot. There is almost no way around it.
Think about it... Iraq is 60% Shi'ite and growing. The Iraqi government has lifted the Saddam Hussein limited quotas of Shi'ia immigrants into Iraq. Guys like Muqtada Al Sadr aligns himself with the Grand Ayatollah Khomeni, leader of the Islamic Revolution that created the current Iran. Al Sadr followers were freely elected into the current Iraqi Paliment as Al Sadr and his people 'advised' their followers who to vote for. The real possibility of Iraqi Shi'ites aligning themselves with Iran is a real threat.
Now... because of our mistakes, we have upgraded Iran to a position where they become a real player in the big game. We can no longer deal with them as an annoyance and because of our President's great plan... we are felt with little else to do but try to get them to help us fix the mess we have made.
Talk about irony... Ronald Reagan is probably turning in his grave about this and I'm guessing he is going to give that punk ass Bush an ass kicking of the ages when they meet.
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There are Orthodox Jews who do not acknowledge Israel's validity as a nation. In fact, there are Orthodox Jews who claim that God will not return as long as the nation of Israel exists. Jews are supposed to live in exile until the Messiah returns.
I don't see how the iranians refusing to acknowledge Israel, or the Palestinians refusing to acknowledge Israel, is any different than the Orthodox Jews themselves who do not acknowledge the validity of an Israeli nation.
There are Orthodox Jews who do not acknowledge Israel's validity as a nation. In fact, there are Orthodox Jews who claim that God will not return as long as the nation of Israel exists. Jews are supposed to live in exile until the Messiah returns.
I don't see how the iranians refusing to acknowledge Israel, or the Palestinians refusing to acknowledge Israel, is any different than the Orthodox Jews themselves who do not acknowledge the validity of an Israeli nation.
That reminds me of the end of Star Wars Episode 3.....the surviving jedis had to be in exile for a bit!
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Tuesday told delegates at an international conference questioning the Holocaust that Israel's days were numbered.
Ahmadinejad, who has sparked international outcry by referring to the killing of six million Jews in World War Two as a "myth" and calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map," launched another verbal attack on the Jewish state.
"Thanks to people's wishes and God's will the trend for the existence of the Zionist regime is downwards and this is what God has promised and what all nations want," he said.
"Just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out," he added.
His words received warm applause from delegates at the Holocaust conference, who included ultra-Orthodox anti-Israel Jews and European and American writers who argue the Holocaust was either fabricated or exaggerated.
The Vatican, Germany and the European Commission added their voices on Tuesday to others -- such as the United States and Israel -- who have condemned the Tehran meeting.
Iran says it organized the conference to shed light on the reasons behind the formation of the state of Israel after World War Two and to allow researchers from countries where it is a crime to question the Holocaust to speak freely.
"Iran is your home and is the home of all freedom seekers of the world," Ahmadinejad said. "Here you can express your views and exchange opinions in a friendly, brotherly and free atmosphere."
"FACT-FINDING" COMMITTEE FORMED
He urged countries where Holocaust denial is a crime, to respect freedom of speech and not to take action against any of the conference participants on their return.
Human rights groups frequently number Iran as one of the world's worst violators of free speech, where scores of newspapers have been closed, journalists jailed, access to Web sites blocked and government critics hounded out of the country.
Delegates at the meeting earlier on Tuesday agreed to form a "fact-finding" committee to study the Holocaust.
The head of the new committee, identified as Iranian academic Mohammad Ali Ramin, said its members were "not racist or opposed to any particular group."
"Rather they are just seeking the truth to set humanity truly free," the ISNA students news agency quoted him as saying, without naming the committee members.
Robert Faurisson, a French scholar who has described the Holocaust as a "historical lie," said the committee included members from the United States, France, Canada, Switzerland, Austria, Iran, Bahrain and Syria, ISNA reported.
The Vatican called the Holocaust an "immense tragedy" which had to remain forever a warning for all people to respect the rights of others.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the Tehran meeting "shows the danger of the situation Israel is in and in particular the threat that Israel lives under."
She was speaking after meeting Ehud Olmert, who was on his first visit to Germany as Israeli Prime Minister.
Germany has made it a priority to support Israel since the Holocaust under the Nazis and the end of World War Two in 1945.
EU Commissioner Franco Frattini expressed "shock and indignation," adding: "Anti-Semitism has no place in Europe; nor should it in any other part of the world."
You are right, there is no way you can reason with someone like Ahmadinejad. The problem is we have no other options. We have painted ourselves, mostly due to our involvment in Iraq, into a corner where now we have no other choice but to entertain this fool. Iran not Iraq should have been our focus from the beginning. In the years to come we will see how big of a mistake this administration made by focusing on Iraq while Ahmadinejad was allowed to run free.
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You are right, there is no way you can reason with someone like Ahmadinejad. The problem is we have no other options. We have painted ourselves, mostly due to our involvment in Iraq, into a corner where now we have no other choice but to entertain this fool. Iran not Iraq should have been our focus from the beginning. In the years to come we will see how big of a mistake this administration made by focusing on Iraq while Ahmadinejad was allowed to run free.
I had myself convinced for quite a long time that Iran REALLY was the main target of the Bush administration. As time moves on though...I'm starting to doubt that.
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I had myself convinced for quite a long time that Iran REALLY was the main target of the Bush administration. As time moves on though...I'm starting to doubt that.
Biggest mistake by this administration was not focusing on Iran. Ahmadinejad was and still is ten times more of a threat than Saddam was. Not only have we forced ourselves into a courner with this guy, but now we also have to contend with the Russians and the Chinese when dealing with Iran.
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er... i dont knwo much... could u pls explain in what way has reagan done to latin america what hitler did to the jews?
It wasn't a literal comparison with numbers of murdered in mind e.t.c. I'm surprised that I need to explain this to anyone on here.
Put simply, and to repeat myself, if my country had been ravaged by 10 years of brutality, and terrorized by death squads, at the instigation of, and support of Reagan, then I expect that I would think of Reagan in the same way Jews think of Hitler. Comprende?
All you have to do is go read about the 7 day war to realize that Israel is not afraid of anyone, and they are tough as nails plus they have a ton of nukes and honestly, I don't think they would hesitate to use them.
er.. dont under-appreciate israel... it was a 6 day war, not 7.
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It wasn't a literal comparison with numbers of murdered in mind e.t.c. I'm surprised that I need to explain this to anyone on here.
Put simply, and to repeat myself, if my country had been ravaged by 10 years of brutality, and terrorized by death squads, at the instigation of, and support of Reagan, then I expect that I would think of Reagan in the same way Jews think of Hitler. Comprende?
i know it wasnt a literal comparism.
still what EACTLY did he do??
did usa attack latin america the way they attacked vietnam or iraq?
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Come step inside my tears
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did usa attack latin america the way they attacked vietnam or iraq?
It depends on the country. Generally the Reagan Administration employed proxy armies and death squads to carry out it's dirty work. It was during this period that the U.S was charged by the International Court of Justice and the security council for state terrorism for it's actions in Nicaragua.
Guatamala -
In October 1944, dictator Jorge Ubico was forced out by a student-led revolution. This led to the election of Jose Arévalo, the first democratically-elected president of Guatemala to complete exactly the term for which he was elected. His "Christian Socialist" policies, inspired by the U.S. New Deal, were criticized by landowners and the upper class as communist.
This period was also the beginning of Cold War between the U.S. and the USSR which was to mark Guatemalan history. In 1954, Arévalo's freely-elected Guatemalan successor Jacobo Arbenz was overthrown by a small group of Guatemalans backed by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), after the government expropriated unused land owned by the United Fruit Company, a U.S.-based banana merchant. The CIA codename for the coup was Operation PBSUCCESS, its second successful overthrow of a foreign government. The subsequent military rule, beginning with dictator Carlos Castillo Armas, led to over 30 years of civil war that, from 1960, led to the death of an estimated 200,000 Guatemalan civilians. Due to the military's use of rampant torture, disappearances, "scorched earth" warfare and many other brutal methods, the country became a pariah state internationally.
From the 1950s to the 1990s (with a suspension of military aid between 1977 and 1982), the US government directly supported Guatemala's army with training, weapons and money. The United States Army Special Forces (Green Berets) were sent to Guatemala to transform its army into a "modern counter-insurgency force" and made it the most powerful and sophisticated in Central America. CIA involvement included the training of 5,000 Cubans opposed to Fidel Castro and airstrips in its territory for what later became the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in 1961. In 1999, then US president Bill Clinton stated that the United States was wrong to have provided support to Guatemalan military forces that took part in the brutal civilian killings [3].
Did anyone else see some of the footage from this so-called conference? Ahmandinejad was hugging David Duke at one point ... And I swear, those anti-Israel orthodox jew psycho assholes that attended? I am pretty sure those guys got the presidential tour, if you know what I mean.
It wasn't a literal comparison with numbers of murdered in mind e.t.c. I'm surprised that I need to explain this to anyone on here.
Put simply, and to repeat myself, if my country had been ravaged by 10 years of brutality, and terrorized by death squads, at the instigation of, and support of Reagan, then I expect that I would think of Reagan in the same way Jews think of Hitler. Comprende?
But you're British. Your country hasn't been ravaged by 10 years of American brutality, etc so for you to make the comparison is still in extremely poor taste and stupid, since someone being so emotionally wrecked that they could say this doesn't mean that anyone can say this. Comprende?
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The problem is... the way we have played our hand... we are now FORCED into a position where we HAVE TO recognize this idiot. There is almost no way around it.
Think about it... Iraq is 60% Shi'ite and growing. The Iraqi government has lifted the Saddam Hussein limited quotas of Shi'ia immigrants into Iraq. Guys like Muqtada Al Sadr aligns himself with the Grand Ayatollah Khomeni, leader of the Islamic Revolution that created the current Iran. Al Sadr followers were freely elected into the current Iraqi Paliment as Al Sadr and his people 'advised' their followers who to vote for. The real possibility of Iraqi Shi'ites aligning themselves with Iran is a real threat.
Now... because of our mistakes, we have upgraded Iran to a position where they become a real player in the big game. We can no longer deal with them as an annoyance and because of our President's great plan... we are felt with little else to do but try to get them to help us fix the mess we have made.
Talk about irony... Ronald Reagan is probably turning in his grave about this and I'm guessing he is going to give that punk ass Bush an ass kicking of the ages when they meet.
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Why do girly men love to wear chaps then? Have you not seen The Village people?
I don't see how the iranians refusing to acknowledge Israel, or the Palestinians refusing to acknowledge Israel, is any different than the Orthodox Jews themselves who do not acknowledge the validity of an Israeli nation.
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That reminds me of the end of Star Wars Episode 3.....the surviving jedis had to be in exile for a bit!
You are right, there is no way you can reason with someone like Ahmadinejad. The problem is we have no other options. We have painted ourselves, mostly due to our involvment in Iraq, into a corner where now we have no other choice but to entertain this fool. Iran not Iraq should have been our focus from the beginning. In the years to come we will see how big of a mistake this administration made by focusing on Iraq while Ahmadinejad was allowed to run free.
I had myself convinced for quite a long time that Iran REALLY was the main target of the Bush administration. As time moves on though...I'm starting to doubt that.
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Biggest mistake by this administration was not focusing on Iran. Ahmadinejad was and still is ten times more of a threat than Saddam was. Not only have we forced ourselves into a courner with this guy, but now we also have to contend with the Russians and the Chinese when dealing with Iran.
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Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
It wasn't a literal comparison with numbers of murdered in mind e.t.c. I'm surprised that I need to explain this to anyone on here.
Put simply, and to repeat myself, if my country had been ravaged by 10 years of brutality, and terrorized by death squads, at the instigation of, and support of Reagan, then I expect that I would think of Reagan in the same way Jews think of Hitler. Comprende?
er.. dont under-appreciate israel... it was a 6 day war, not 7.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
still what EACTLY did he do??
did usa attack latin america the way they attacked vietnam or iraq?
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
It depends on the country. Generally the Reagan Administration employed proxy armies and death squads to carry out it's dirty work. It was during this period that the U.S was charged by the International Court of Justice and the security council for state terrorism for it's actions in Nicaragua.
Nicaragua -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_vs._United_States
Panama -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama
Guatamala -
In October 1944, dictator Jorge Ubico was forced out by a student-led revolution. This led to the election of Jose Arévalo, the first democratically-elected president of Guatemala to complete exactly the term for which he was elected. His "Christian Socialist" policies, inspired by the U.S. New Deal, were criticized by landowners and the upper class as communist.
This period was also the beginning of Cold War between the U.S. and the USSR which was to mark Guatemalan history. In 1954, Arévalo's freely-elected Guatemalan successor Jacobo Arbenz was overthrown by a small group of Guatemalans backed by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), after the government expropriated unused land owned by the United Fruit Company, a U.S.-based banana merchant. The CIA codename for the coup was Operation PBSUCCESS, its second successful overthrow of a foreign government. The subsequent military rule, beginning with dictator Carlos Castillo Armas, led to over 30 years of civil war that, from 1960, led to the death of an estimated 200,000 Guatemalan civilians. Due to the military's use of rampant torture, disappearances, "scorched earth" warfare and many other brutal methods, the country became a pariah state internationally.
From the 1950s to the 1990s (with a suspension of military aid between 1977 and 1982), the US government directly supported Guatemala's army with training, weapons and money. The United States Army Special Forces (Green Berets) were sent to Guatemala to transform its army into a "modern counter-insurgency force" and made it the most powerful and sophisticated in Central America. CIA involvement included the training of 5,000 Cubans opposed to Fidel Castro and airstrips in its territory for what later became the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in 1961. In 1999, then US president Bill Clinton stated that the United States was wrong to have provided support to Guatemalan military forces that took part in the brutal civilian killings [3].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatamala
But you're British. Your country hasn't been ravaged by 10 years of American brutality, etc so for you to make the comparison is still in extremely poor taste and stupid, since someone being so emotionally wrecked that they could say this doesn't mean that anyone can say this. Comprende?