Iran president says Israel's days are numbered

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  • yield2me
    yield2me Posts: 1,291
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    Yeah, Israel totally kicked Lebanon and Hezbollah's ass!! Oh... wait...


    actually they did...the Lebanon govt. was begging for Israel to stop advancing. Israel completely destroyed the Hezbollah stronghold of the city and occupied the southern half of the country! All the while Hezbollah was shooting "blind" rockets at Israel. Don't think for a second that they couldn't have completely rolled over that country and occupied the entire thing.
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  • miller8966
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    yield2me wrote:
    actually they did...the Lebanon govt. was begging for Israel to stop advancing. Israel completely destroyed the Hezbollah stronghold of the city and occupied the southern half of the country! All the while Hezbollah was shooting "blind" rockets at Israel. Don't think for a second that they couldn't have completely rolled over that country and occupied the entire thing.

    so true...its kind of like the Mets declaring themselves the world champs because they made it past the first round of the playoffs.
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  • SoonForgotten2
    SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    yield2me wrote:
    actually they did...the Lebanon govt. was begging for Israel to stop advancing. Israel completely destroyed the Hezbollah stronghold of the city and occupied the southern half of the country! All the while Hezbollah was shooting "blind" rockets at Israel. Don't think for a second that they couldn't have completely rolled over that country and occupied the entire thing.

    Yet you miss the point of how it was actually a victory for Hezbollah as they gained support in Lebanon and Olmert lost a lot of support and confidence in Israel for what was a sloppy and underwhelming operation. Yes, Israel could have killed a lot more civillians- Lebabnon doesn't have the luxury of US backing, but that doesn't mean that they came out victorious.
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  • miller8966
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    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    Yet you miss the point of how it was actually a victory for Hezbollah as they gained support in Lebanon and Olmert lost a lot of support and confidence in Israel for what was a sloppy and underwhelming operation. Yes, Israel could have killed a lot more civillians- Lebabnon doesn't have the luxury of US backing, but that doesn't mean that they came out victorious.

    Cause hezbollah isnt backed by iran?
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  • SoonForgotten2
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    miller8966 wrote:
    Cause hezbollah isnt backed by iran?

    And you're honestly comparing the military and financial strength of Iran to the US?
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  • yield2me
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    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    Yet you miss the point of how it was actually a victory for Hezbollah as they gained support in Lebanon and Olmert lost a lot of support and confidence in Israel for what was a sloppy and underwhelming operation. Yes, Israel could have killed a lot more civillians- Lebabnon doesn't have the luxury of US backing, but that doesn't mean that they came out victorious.


    I understand that and I agree with you, but you aren't seeing my point. What I'm trying to say with all of this is that if there is a FULL OUT WAR with Iran and Israel, that Israel can take care of itself, thats all.
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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    And you're honestly comparing the military and financial strength of Iran to the US?

    No..but you act like hezbollah was doing it all alone. Israel could have wiped lebanon of the map..they just chose not too.
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  • yield2me
    yield2me Posts: 1,291
    miller8966 wrote:
    No..but you act like hezbollah was doing it all alone. Israel could have wiped lebanon of the map..they just chose not too.


    exactly
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  • SoonForgotten2
    SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    miller8966 wrote:
    No..but you act like hezbollah was doing it all alone. Israel could have wiped lebanon of the map..they just chose not too.

    And the US could have done the exact same with Iraq. So while they could have, they did not and don't try to tell me that the US can claim victory in Iraq. Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be. That's where politics come into play, along with the trivial concept of international opinion and support. This is actually why I think the whole nuclear weapon issue is so outdated... no one country can just wipe another off the map without facing sever consequences. The ability to do so means nothing and doesn't win wars or support.
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  • NCfan
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    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    That's so ironically funny. Maybe one day Israel and the US will join hands and finally overthrow that pesky UN once and for all. Then it'll be human rights time for everyone!!

    Not sure what you mean by that...
  • SoonForgotten2
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    yield2me wrote:
    I understand that and I agree with you, but you aren't seeing my point. What I'm trying to say with all of this is that if there is a FULL OUT WAR with Iran and Israel, that Israel can take care of itself, thats all.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Israel to just sort its own shit out from now on. As an American in Britain, I'm tired of having to pay for Israel's sins. Let them do want they want and take full responsibility for it.
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  • SoonForgotten2
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    NCfan wrote:
    Not sure what you mean by that...

    Are you confused about the blatant disregard of UN resolutions or the blatant disregard of human rights?
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  • NCfan
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    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    Are you confused about the blatant disregard of UN resolutions or the blatant disregard of human rights?

    Not confused about that, I just see it differently than you. First of all, the U.N. is hardly the moral compass for the world. Disregarding their resolutions doesn't mean much to me, whether it be Saddam or Israeli leadership.

    I find it ironic that you want to call out Israel for their disregard of human rights towards a group that if had its own way, would never consider human rights outside of their religious laws.
  • SoonForgotten2
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    NCfan wrote:
    I find it ironic that you want to call out Israel for their disregard of human rights towards a group that if had its own way, would never consider human rights outside of their religious laws.

    What group am I supporting here, just so I know for any future reference.
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  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Yeah, and John Wayne wasn't a fag! :rolleyes:

    not very pc guy.
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    What group am I supporting here, just so I know for any future reference.

    I never even refered to you supporting a group, let alone did I say that. I just pointed out that you slam Israel with regards to their abuse of human rights, when the people they "abuse" don't beleive in human rights in the first place. Don't you find that ironic?
  • Byrnzie
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    dayan wrote:
    not very pc guy.

    That's correct. John Wayne wasn't a very p.c guy.
  • SoonForgotten2
    SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    NCfan wrote:
    I never even refered to you supporting a group, let alone did I say that. I just pointed out that you slam Israel with regards to their abuse of human rights, when the people they "abuse" don't beleive in human rights in the first place. Don't you find that ironic?

    My bad then as I misread that. But still, regardless of what your views on Islam are, it doesn't excuse Israel's actions. I personally disagree with many aspects of Islam, but that doesn't mean that I approve of what many Muslims have been put through by Israel and the US.
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  • miller8966
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    Byrnzie wrote:
    That's correct. John Wayne wasn't a very p.c guy.

    Girly men hate john wayne.....he stood for everything they were against.
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  • inmytree
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    NCfan wrote:
    From my point of view, Iran's behavior is at or near the top of the list of "things we have to deal with". Besides, all aspects of foreign policy are related on some level. I would say Iran and Iraq are extremely inter-related.

    We are in effect Israel's "big brother". Why is that a bad thing? Britain is in effect our "older parents". Why should we not support countries that share our world views?

    Why should we leave an ally to fend for themselves when we can help?

    Sure, we do need to deal with Iran...but "how" is the question...I happen to think Armadinajad is simply "pushing buttons", you know the guy, the one who fucks with you when you're in a bad mood just to get rise out of you...and we in the US sit and take every word he says as truth...even though we don't respect him enough to sit and talk with him...yeah, yeah, he wants to wipe isreal off the map...well, what are we doing in Iraq, in effect, has wiped Iraq, as it once was, off the map...but somehow, that's ok...

    Ahmadinejad is an attention whore, who is using the same fear tactics used by bush and his war machine...and we eat it up like he is serving good pot brownies...

    as for being a big brother, I wonder, why? could it be soley based on religion, the whole "chosen people" crap...sorry, that's not enough for me...

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