Biblical Revelations Revisited

angelica

I'm looking for some insights into the "Revelations" of the bible. I've heard people say we are going through an/the apolcalypse now with all the darkness in the world. We are going through the end of times, so it's been said.

This stuff is starting to come together for me.

First of all, from my understanding of the Mayan calender stuff, and the idea that it is ending in the year 2012, we are supposed to be moving into the end of times. However, what it looks like is the ending of our view of "time" itself as being an absolute. So the general consciousness of humanity, rather than continuing to live by linear measurement of cause and effect, which includes blame and judgment, will begin to shift into a new way of perceiving reality--as more holistic and as a way of understanding and cooperating.

So, as we are making this shift in consciousness worldwide, all of humanity's age old wounds are opening up to the light of day, to be healed. It looks very ugly on the surface. This is because we are being forced to look at our worst traumas from history, and from within our very hearts, as well. And it's like a death to us. It's a metamorphosis. We must die to the old before we can be renewed. And there are many dark nights included, before this "second coming"--the onset of a prophesized age of peace--a Golden age--where unity and prosperity become our new focus.

"He who overcometh shall not feel the second death".

As we segue into this new worldwide global consciousness, and usher in the true spirit of humanity, what I'm wondering, does anyone know how this may or may not fit with the biblical prophesies and "Revelations"? I am not very biblically aware.

Peace.

Collin

Very interesting question but I'm afraid I can't really help you.

But National Geographic has/had a programme called Mysteries of the Bible, one part was about the book of revelations. It's an interesting point of view.

Anyway, I don't really believe in all this stuff and I think you can interpret these things so broadly that it would almost always be correct.

chopitdown

angelica wrote:

I'm looking for some insights into the "Revelations" of the bible. I've heard people say we are going through an/the apolcalypse now with all the darkness in the world. We are going through the end of times, so it's been said.

This stuff is starting to come together for me.

First of all, from my understanding of the Mayan calender stuff, and the idea that it is ending in the year 2012, we are supposed to be moving into the end of times. However, what it looks like is the ending of our view of "time" itself as being an absolute. So the general consciousness of humanity, rather than continuing to live by linear measurement of cause and effect, which includes blame and judgment, will begin to shift into a new way of perceiving reality--as more holistic and as a way of understanding and cooperating.

So, as we are making this shift in consciousness worldwide, all of humanity's age old wounds are opening up to the light of day, to be healed. It looks very ugly on the surface. This is because we are being forced to look at our worst traumas from history, and from within our very hearts, as well. And it's like a death to us. It's a metamorphosis. We must die to the old before we can be renewed. And there are many dark nights included, before this "second coming"--the onset of a prophesized age of peace--a Golden age--where unity and prosperity become our new focus.

"He who overcometh shall not feel the second death".

As we segue into this new worldwide global consciousness, and usher in the true spirit of humanity, what I'm wondering, does anyone know how this may or may not fit with the biblical prophesies and "Revelations"? I am not very biblically aware.

Peace.

That's a very good question and I'll only make couple of comments. Generally speaking each generation has thought the end times are coming during their time alive, b/c the book of revelation talks about famine, earthquakes etc... When Israel become a nation again in 1948 many people thought this was the beginning of the end times; esp when there were wars in the middle east and constant strife. Revelations, in the bible, is a very difficult book to read and to say exactly what it's talking about. There are many interpretations of the book and you'll find disagreement in a lot of christain circles re: the book. Here is an interesting link that talks about the end times and should give you a brief overview of the end time biblical events. http://www.focusongod.com/Rev05.htm

ArmsinaV

Revelation is complex, but it's also figurative, not literal. It's about what has ALREADY HAPPENED (the collapse of Rome, etc.), not what we should be looking for in the future.

The Church is called to be the church today, not interpret 'apocalyptic' signs and try and figure out the 'end times.'

chopitdown

ArmsinaV wrote:

Revelation is complex, but it's also figurative, not literal. It's about what has ALREADY HAPPENED (the collapse of Rome, etc.), not what we should be looking for in the future.

this is where a lot of disagreement occurs and I'm not getting into it

ArmsinaV wrote:

The Church is called to be the church today, not interpret 'apocalyptic' signs and try and figure out the 'end times.'

I couldn't agree more.

Collin

ArmsinaV wrote:

Revelation is complex, but it's also figurative, not literal. It's about what has ALREADY HAPPENED (the collapse of Rome, etc.), not what we should be looking for in the future.

Yes, I think this is what the National Geographic programme deals with as well.

It also deals with the rapture:

John Nelson Darby, a 19th century Irish lawyer turned Anglican preacher, developed a method of biblical interpretation called dispensationalism in which he incorporated Ribera's futuristic views. Darby became "the father of the rapture doctrine." He was the first to develop a full-blown theology that incorporated the teaching that Jesus would return secretly (His "second" coming) to rapture His true followers, leaving the rest behind to be ruled by an evil antichrist for seven years, and then return again (His "third" coming) in a visible, glorious coming to destroy antichrist, save those who were converted during the seven-year tribulation, and establish His own kingdom.

Cyrus Scofield, a disciple of Darby's, later published a Bible with explanatory notes in which he incorporated Darby's views on the rapture. The Scofield Bible is still the most popular Bible sold today.

Thus the rapture theory made its way into the psyche and formal teaching of much of the Christian world.

JamMastaE

angelica wrote:

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As we segue into this new worldwide global consciousness, and usher in the true spirit of humanity, what I'm wondering, does anyone know how this may or may not fit with the biblical prophesies and "Revelations"? I am not very biblically aware.

Peace.

yes it fits,it's called the coming of the beast!! those who push for one world government,one religion and one currency.they are trying to bring about the anti-Christ system.that's what our collapsing economy is about,that's what these wars are about,that's what the EU is about,that's what the American union is about.gradual consolidation of land/money/governments under the UN.Globalism is not going to bring about peace and harmony.it's about a global dictatorship.if you look at world and think we are on the verge of enlightenment and about to usher in the true spirit of humanity you need to get of the fucking crack lady!!!!

angelica

JamMastaE wrote:

yes it fits,it's called the coming of the beast!! those who push for one world government,one religion and one currency.they are trying to bring about the anti-Christ system.that's what our collapsing economy is about,that's what these wars are about,that's what the EU is about,that's what the American union is about.gradual consolidation of land/money/governments under the UN.Globalism is not going to bring about peace and harmony.it's about a global dictatorship.if you look at world and think we are on the verge of enlightenment and about to usher in the true spirit of humanity you need to get of the fucking crack lady!!!!

Yes, a beast is arising, and it will be playing out on the world stage with the purpose of bringing up our worst aspects as humans up from within so we can heal. So we can resolve this idea of good vs evil for once and for all. When you are looking at life through the lens of fear, and you believe it is true, you project it out into the world and you create that. At the same time, when we trust the balance of nature and realize the fear comes from within, we can resolve the fear and see things the way they are: as LOVE/unity, etc. This is happening to millions of people across the globe. And as the millions face their worse fears, through the plays we've created on the world stage, these millions of individuals will be more aligned with the unity our technology and developing consciousness holds for us. Oh, yes, we are creating ugliness and fallout. That is the nature of evolution. For every two steps forward, there is one back.

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=4318032

"The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question: "Is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." And we kill those people. ... It's just a ride. But we always kill those few guys that try to tell us that, you ever notice that? and let the demons run amuck. but it doesn't matter cuz it's just a ride and we can change it any time we want. Its only a choice, no effort, and no worries, no job, no savings of money. Just a choice right now between Fear and Love."
~Bill Hicks

angelica

chopitdown wrote:

That's a very good question and I'll only make couple of comments. Generally speaking each generation has thought the end times are coming during their time alive, b/c the book of revelation talks about famine, earthquakes etc... When Israel become a nation again in 1948 many people thought this was the beginning of the end times; esp when there were wars in the middle east and constant strife. Revelations, in the bible, is a very difficult book to read and to say exactly what it's talking about. There are many interpretations of the book and you'll find disagreement in a lot of christain circles re: the book. Here is an interesting link that talks about the end times and should give you a brief overview of the end time biblical events. http://www.focusongod.com/Rev05.htm

Thanks for the link! I'm working my way through it. The stuff seems a little over my head, due to my lack of background in it.

I personally think that as we as individuals or groups are personally facing our personal evolution through life, these metaphors apply to us and our own inner "battles" of good and evil and resolving these issues within. It entails facing our worst inner demons if we expect to find inner peace. Most of us learn through "stories" and we first project our inner battle outward, and see it in others, before we can start to see it within ourselves. For example, when I was mentally ill, and feeling great pain for the way people harmed me, I thought it was so ugly and horrible seeing it around me. And I vowed to learn to decide not to be that way myself. And that led me to resolve that ugliness when it would/does rear it's ugly head in me.

I can definitely understand what you are saying about 1948, and thinking it was the end of times, with things looking so grim in the world.

At the same time, I'm fascinated how many disciplines are pointing to the end of "time". The Mayan calendar stuff has prophesized this where we will enter a new way of being, different than our old way of ordering life, which was represented by our calendars and how we view time. Big change is expected. Now that I can instantaneously find information online and send it to anyone in the world, time is taking on a new slant in our perception. And to me,it's like the REM song, where we're experiencing--"the End of the World As We Know It". I see these shifts as ones that will naturally take place. I see them already--where by our evolving technology and communication, illusory limits and lines are dissolving. And we are learning we must see ourselves as the global village, because we cannot hurt another and hide from the consequences. We are focusing on the spirit of who we are in our vast conversations, such as right now, rather than the literal lines of who we are. I have no idea who you are physically. I saw in a video yesterday, how now, when we put something on the internet, we really have no ownership of it anymore. It's one with the spirit of us all, in that sense. Individuality in that sense is being erased.

However, the individuality we've developed, in reality is growing stronger in order to manage this higher level of connection and to stay healthy. And in order to make these adaptations, we must release the old flaws in our perception, and be "cleansed" by the Spirit. Peace.

angelica

Collin wrote:

Yes, I think this is what the National Geographic programme deals with as well.

It also deals with the rapture:

John Nelson Darby, a 19th century Irish lawyer turned Anglican preacher, developed a method of biblical interpretation called dispensationalism in which he incorporated Ribera's futuristic views. Darby became "the father of the rapture doctrine." He was the first to develop a full-blown theology that incorporated the teaching that Jesus would return secretly (His "second" coming) to rapture His true followers, leaving the rest behind to be ruled by an evil antichrist for seven years, and then return again (His "third" coming) in a visible, glorious coming to destroy antichrist, save those who were converted during the seven-year tribulation, and establish His own kingdom.

Cyrus Scofield, a disciple of Darby's, later published a Bible with explanatory notes in which he incorporated Darby's views on the rapture. The Scofield Bible is still the most popular Bible sold today.

Thus the rapture theory made its way into the psyche and formal teaching of much of the Christian world.

Thanks. What little I've learned about the rapture was on this board. I was not familiar with it before. I will definitely look further into it.

angelica

ArmsinaV wrote:

Revelation is complex, but it's also figurative, not literal. It's about what has ALREADY HAPPENED (the collapse of Rome, etc.), not what we should be looking for in the future.

The Church is called to be the church today, not interpret 'apocalyptic' signs and try and figure out the 'end times.'

Thanks for sharing your perspective. I wonder if you have any articles that you can offer me. I'm interested in hearing more. Thanks.

baraka

angelica wrote:

Thanks for sharing your perspective. I wonder if you have any articles that you can offer me. I'm interested in hearing more. Thanks.

Yay, angelica started a thread, and a very interesting one at that! I saw the program Collin referred to and it was very interesting. There are many schools of thought pertaining to Revelations.

After quick google search, I found this site that reviews the different views on Revelations. http://www.apocalipsis.org/rev-int.htm

I just briefly scanned it, so others might have better links.

angelica

baraka wrote:

Yay, angelica started a thread, and a very interesting one at that! I saw the program Collin referred to and it was very interesting. There are many schools of thought pertaining to Revelations.

After quick google search, I found this site that reviews the different views on Revelations. http://www.apocalipsis.org/rev-int.htm

I just briefly scanned it, so others might have better links.

Hey! Thanks for joining in! It's a "fun" topic! Thanks for the link. I'll be going out and I'll check this all later.

angelica

Collin wrote:

Very interesting question but I'm afraid I can't really help you.

But National Geographic has/had a programme called Mysteries of the Bible, one part was about the book of revelations. It's an interesting point of view.

Anyway, I don't really believe in all this stuff and I think you can interpret these things so broadly that it would almost always be correct.

Maybe I'll hunt around online for the programme that you speak of...when I have a bit more time.

Juberoo

Why don't you ask some clergymen? You could visit any number of denominations and get their take on it. Or ask the ones who come knocking at the door. They are deep into revelation prophecy.

butters

Some people have an insatiable desire to be around at the end of the world...

History is full of people who thought the end of the world was imminent. Here's an example in christianity, though apocolyptophiles are hardly a christian phenomonon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfille ... Christians


Pay particular attention to the millerites/seventh dat adventists.

When 2015 comes around and nothinghas changed, don't dig yourself deeper into a hole like those guys.

macgyver06

why so many ''I thinks'' in this thread...well heres another


I think you Should Start at the Center and than look out... your answers could be there... but be careful... the answers could very well be fatal.

angelica

Juberoo wrote:

Why don't you ask some clergymen? You could visit any number of denominations and get their take on it. Or ask the ones who come knocking at the door. They are deep into revelation prophecy.

In this instance, on this board, with my fellow posters, I'm asking them. I'm interested in a wide array of points of view, so I can come to identify some of the universal themes. These views reflect what is being taught by the clergy, and how it's understood.

We're all in touch with these universal forces at all times. I see the authority and light that shines in my fellow poster's eyes. God works in fun and interesting ways when he speaks to us.

angelica

butters wrote:

Some people have an insatiable desire to be around at the end of the world...

History is full of people who thought the end of the world was imminent. Here's an example in christianity, though apocolyptophiles are hardly a christian phenomonon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfille ... Christians


Pay particular attention to the millerites/seventh dat adventists.

When 2015 comes around and nothinghas changed, don't dig yourself deeper into a hole like those guys.

The link isn't working for me right now. Thanks though, I'll continue to try or to access the line of thought elsewhere.

angelica

macgyver06 wrote:

why so many ''I thinks'' in this thread...well heres another


I think you Should Start at the Center and than look out... your answers could be there... but be careful... the answers could very well be fatal.

By starting at the Centre, do you mean "within"?

fanch75

ArmsinaV wrote:

Revelation is complex, but it's also figurative, not literal. It's about what has ALREADY HAPPENED (the collapse of Rome, etc.), not what we should be looking for in the future.

I believe this is the Catholic point of view, as well.