Hilary routs Obama

jlew24asu

so who is going to win the nomination?

Bu2

South Carolina:

Barack Obama 55.44%
Hillary Clinton 26.52%
John Edwards 17.57%




Florida:

Clinton 50%
Obama 33%
Edwards 14%



Difference? They all campaigned in South Carolina.

And the delegates there mattered.

jeffbr

There are a couple of schools of though. The first and obvious being that Florida is irrelevant since no delegates will be seated, and no campaining happened. But another view is that 2 million Democrat voters turned out even with no campaining, and they overwhelmingly chose Hillary, which has the potential to take a little wind out of Obama's sails, slowing the momentum he had coming out of South Carolina. It will be interesting to see what impact, if any, Florida has.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

i have no fucking idea.

cornnifer

jeffbr wrote:

There are a couple of schools of though. The first and obvious being that Florida is irrelevant since no delegates will be seated, and no campaining happened. But another view is that 2 million Democrat voters turned out even with no campaining, and they overwhelmingly chose Hillary, which has the potential to take a little wind out of Obama's sails, slowing the momentum he had coming out of South Carolina. It will be interesting to see what impact, if any, Florida has.

Hillary did make an appearance there a day or two after SC andf ahs been making a big deal of it despite signing the pact to not campaign there. She also has been screaming the past few days about how the delegates should be seated despite her signing the aforementioned pact. Dirty, and underhanded. Another point, i think worth mentioning is the fact that exit polling showed that less than 30% of the voters in Florida were under 45 and roughly 60 % were female. Old women compromise much of cunton's voting block.

kenny olav

Hillary wins it. I thought she blew it by crying in NH, but other than that, it seems Democrats think she is the safest bet. Younger people have a harder time understanding this... but older folks still vote in the greatest numbers and they ain't voting for some fresh-faced dude no one heard of until a few years ago.

Funny thing I found... Mike Gravel interviewed in FL by Russia Today (yeah, I dunno how that happened either) talking about the FL primary and what happens next...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3wFlwqhnzY

jeffbr

cornnifer wrote:

Hillary did make an appearance there a day or two after SC andf ahs been making a big deal of it despite signing the pact to not campaign there. She also has been screaming the past few days about how the delegates should be seated despite her signing the aforementioned pact. Dirty, and underhanded. Another point, i think worth mentioning is the fact that exit polling showed that less than 30% of the voters in Florida were under 45 and roughly 60 % were female. Old women compromise much of cunton's voting block.

She definitely played Florida a little dirty. I know they're already making noise about getting those delegates seated. Would anyone be surprised if it happens?

And the backlash is definitely underway on the blogs. Even the NH Union Leader published a scathing piece:
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Hillary%27s+word:+It%27s+worth+nothing&articleId=0853268a-d982-4190-81e8-740ae942f510

Hillary's word: It's worth nothing

Tuesday, Jan. 29, 2008

COURTING VOTERS in Iowa and New Hampshire, last August Sen. Hillary Clinton signed a pledge not to "campaign or participate" in the Michigan or Florida Democratic primaries. She participated in both primaries and is campaigning in Florida. Which proves, again, that Hillary Clinton is a liar.

Clinton kept her name on the Michigan ballot when others removed theirs, she campaigned this past weekend in Florida, and she is pushing to seat Michigan and Florida delegates at the Democratic National Convention. The party stripped those states of delegates as punishment for moving up their primary dates.

"I will try to persuade my delegates to seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida," Clinton said last week, after the New Hampshire primaries and Iowa caucuses were safely over.

Clinton coldly and knowingly lied to New Hampshire and Iowa. Her promise was not a vague statement. It was a signed pledge with a clear and unequivocal meaning.

She signed it thinking that keeping the other candidates out of Michigan and Florida was to her advantage, but knowing she would break it if that proved beneficial later on. It did, and she did.

New Hampshire voters, you were played for suckers.

macgyver06

Mike Gravel

Pacomc79

not shocking. Florida is New York/New Jersey South and thier OLD.

Hillary Reminds them of Themselves.

Character Zero

Nobody thought Obama would win Iowa... until he went there. Nobody though he would win S.C. initially, until he went there. He was supposed to get slaughtered in N.H. and Nevada, he lost but didn't get slaughtered. The evidence shows that when he campaigns in a state he makes people into believers. He never set foot in FL or MI (As was agreed by everyone and only broken by one.. ahemm), people voted on name alone.
If Hillary loses those states you think she wants them seated? Fuck no. She is realizing her own party doesn't like her and is making a desperate push for all the delegates she can get.