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And you are fooling yourself when you believe that the rebuilding of the schools and the ongoing violence are on equal footing. Because seriously, who care if the schools have a new coat of paint if the roads to it hide snipers, exploding trash cans and kidnappings that result in beheadings.
Secure the fucking place FIRST. That would be my priority... not rebuilding structures that no one uses.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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And you are fooling yourself when you believe that the rebuilding of the schools and the ongoing violence are on equal footing. Because seriously, who care if the schools have a new coat of paint if the roads to it hide snipers, exploding trash cans and kidnappings that result in beheadings.
Secure the fucking place FIRST. That would be my priority... not rebuilding structures that no one uses.
why cant both happen at the same time? have the military and police secure the place and have engineering companies try to rebuild. and how do you know no one is using these structures? have you been there?
again, Im not going to argue that iraq isnt a fucked up place but why cant you acknowledge something positive instead of turning it around and make negative assumpitions.
why cant both happen at the same time? have the military and police secure the place and have engineering companies try to rebuild. and how do you know no one is using these structures? have you been there?
again, Im not going to argue that iraq isnt a fucked up place but why cant you acknowledge something positive instead of turning it around and make negative assumpitions.
This isn't positive. Bechtel is pulling out. We are giving up on the reconstruction.
pulling out? did you even read the article. they COMPLETED their work.
There is more reconstruction needed. But this is significant as the end of the US led reconstruction.
Many of the Bechtel "completed" projects have subsequently been sabotaged by terrorist insurgents.
The incestuous relationship between this government and Bechtel has led to "term contracts", meaning their work is over when their money ends, not when the school, hospital etc. is actually built. Here is an example:
"David Snider, a spokesman for the United States Agency for International Development, the State Department agency in charge of the project, said that technically, Bechtel’s contract was not being terminated because the contract did not actually require the company to complete the hospital.
“They are under a ‘term contract,’ which means their job is over when their money ends,” Mr. Snider said. So despite not finishing the hospital, he said, “they did complete the contract.”"
one of my favorite quotes ever, from the great stephen colbert:
"reality has a well-known liberal bias"
reality check. america went to war with Iraq. during that war, much infrastructure was destroyed. america hired contractors to fix some of what was destroyed. one of those companies finished work from a large contract to repair schools, roads, and a important well.
another take on reality? american fucked up the country, those schools that were repaired are emtpy and only used by snipers, dont repair the country, fix the volience.
There is more reconstruction needed. But this is significant as the end of the US led reconstruction.
Many of the Bechtel "completed" projects have subsequently been sabotaged by terrorist insurgents.
The incestuous relationship between this government and Bechtel has led to "term contracts", meaning their work is over when their money ends, not when the school, hospital etc. is actually built. Here is an example:
"David Snider, a spokesman for the United States Agency for International Development, the State Department agency in charge of the project, said that technically, Bechtel’s contract was not being terminated because the contract did not actually require the company to complete the hospital.
“They are under a ‘term contract,’ which means their job is over when their money ends,” Mr. Snider said. So despite not finishing the hospital, he said, “they did complete the contract.”"
reality check. america went to war with Iraq. during that war, much infrastructure was destroyed. america hired contractors to fix some of what was destroyed. one of those companies finished work from a large contract to repair schools, roads, and a important well.
another take on reality? american fucked up the country, those schools that were repaired are emtpy and only used by snipers, dont repair the country, fix the volience.
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You are so simplistic... that's so cute.
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Security is the most important facet and should be the greatest priority. Why have an open school if there is open warfare in the streets (and please, don't resign to that L.A. Gang violence retort... last time I checked, an L.A.P.D. cruiser was not hit by an R.P.G. and close to 3,000 officers killed in the past 3 years).
With security in place... the construction sites would not be dangerous places to be. 450,000 trainned soldiers cannot control the violence in Baghdad and Anbar... isn't that a larger problem than fixing a school?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
did you expect voluenteers to work for free? I hope there are many more contracts for companies to come in and rebuild the country we destroyed. I will cheer them along
did you expect voluenteers to work for free? I hope there are many more contracts for companies to come in and rebuild the country we destroyed. I will cheer them along
There won't be. That is the significance of Bechtel leaving. And 97 out of 99 is bad when it is a deception.
"I don't want to see a single war millionaire created in the United States as a result of this world disaster.”
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
ok guys, guess what, we did. you need to accept that fact. so now we are spending money to fix what we broke. would you rather we didnt rebuild schools and bridges?
We caused the death of 2.5 of every 100 people in Iraq. You can't fix them - or their friends and family. We also seriously injured another perhaps 1 of every 20.. perhaps worse..
pulling out? did you even read the article. they COMPLETED their work.
Bechtel IS pulling out, they have announced that they will not tender bids on the many infrastructure projects which remain. You are very, very naive to believe that this is a positive news story, in fact it scares me that you feel that way, as I assume you are of voting age.
To quote:
"Did Iraq come out the way you hoped it would?" asked Cliff Mumm, Bechtel's president for infrastructure work. "I would say, emphatically, no. And it's heartbreaking."
Please, jlew, do some research before posting, this is a BAD thing that Bechtel is leaving, it isn't a sign of accomplishment. Also, I am NOT a Bechtel supporter by any means, if that is the way my post seems....this is the same company that killed a women in Boston because of their shoddy work on the Big Dig.
Bechtel IS pulling out, they have announced that they will not tender bids on the many infrastructure projects which remain. You are very, very naive to believe that this is a positive news story, in fact it scares me that you feel that way, as I assume you are of voting age.
To quote:
"Did Iraq come out the way you hoped it would?" asked Cliff Mumm, Bechtel's president for infrastructure work. "I would say, emphatically, no. And it's heartbreaking."
Please, jlew, do some research before posting, this is a BAD thing that Bechtel is leaving, it isn't a sign of accomplishment. Also, I am NOT a Bechtel supporter by any means, if that is the way my post seems....this is the same company that killed a women in Boston because of their shoddy work on the Big Dig.
I did do some research.
The company said it completed 97 of the 99 tasks it had been charged with completing by the U.S. Agency for International Development.
In a statement issued to the Congressional committee on government reform in late September, company president Cliff Mumm stood by the company's efforts.
although I did not know this was the big dig company. that sucked.
San Francisco-based engineering and contracting firm completes its final job after spending three years rebuilding Iraq, collecting $2.3B in government contracts.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Engineering and construction firm Bechtel Group Inc. is leaving Iraq after spending three years rebuilding the war-torn country that netted the company roughly $2.3 billion in government contracts.
Jlew again!!! haha man your a legend! Are u running in the next election u seem like a natural.
So many classic Jlew quotes i wanted to add in but it seems i cant log on here without having to pick u up on something else so we stick to the amazing point ur tryin to make.
2.3 Billion Dollars, such big hearts, and im sure quite easily the lowest quote recieved in a fair and open marketplace.
Truly a "good thing"
fuck my sides ache, i wish i could record a laugh on here FUCK hahahahahaha
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you can't turn shit into ice cream
I can use cliches too.
Failure is opportunity in disguise
now you go.
as you began four posts ago
blood money
And you are fooling yourself when you believe that the rebuilding of the schools and the ongoing violence are on equal footing. Because seriously, who care if the schools have a new coat of paint if the roads to it hide snipers, exploding trash cans and kidnappings that result in beheadings.
Secure the fucking place FIRST. That would be my priority... not rebuilding structures that no one uses.
Hail, Hail!!!
why cant both happen at the same time? have the military and police secure the place and have engineering companies try to rebuild. and how do you know no one is using these structures? have you been there?
again, Im not going to argue that iraq isnt a fucked up place but why cant you acknowledge something positive instead of turning it around and make negative assumpitions.
This isn't positive. Bechtel is pulling out. We are giving up on the reconstruction.
pulling out? did you even read the article. they COMPLETED their work.
There is more reconstruction needed. But this is significant as the end of the US led reconstruction.
Many of the Bechtel "completed" projects have subsequently been sabotaged by terrorist insurgents.
The incestuous relationship between this government and Bechtel has led to "term contracts", meaning their work is over when their money ends, not when the school, hospital etc. is actually built. Here is an example:
"David Snider, a spokesman for the United States Agency for International Development, the State Department agency in charge of the project, said that technically, Bechtel’s contract was not being terminated because the contract did not actually require the company to complete the hospital.
“They are under a ‘term contract,’ which means their job is over when their money ends,” Mr. Snider said. So despite not finishing the hospital, he said, “they did complete the contract.”"
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/28/world/middleeast/28basra.html?ei=5088&en=1f07ea47eeeb7754&ex=1311739200&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=print
reality check. america went to war with Iraq. during that war, much infrastructure was destroyed. america hired contractors to fix some of what was destroyed. one of those companies finished work from a large contract to repair schools, roads, and a important well.
another take on reality? american fucked up the country, those schools that were repaired are emtpy and only used by snipers, dont repair the country, fix the volience.
97 out of 99 aint bad
You are so simplistic... that's so cute.
...
Security is the most important facet and should be the greatest priority. Why have an open school if there is open warfare in the streets (and please, don't resign to that L.A. Gang violence retort... last time I checked, an L.A.P.D. cruiser was not hit by an R.P.G. and close to 3,000 officers killed in the past 3 years).
With security in place... the construction sites would not be dangerous places to be. 450,000 trainned soldiers cannot control the violence in Baghdad and Anbar... isn't that a larger problem than fixing a school?
Hail, Hail!!!
Cheerleading war profiteering is bad.
Did you read my post?
did you expect voluenteers to work for free? I hope there are many more contracts for companies to come in and rebuild the country we destroyed. I will cheer them along
There won't be. That is the significance of Bechtel leaving. And 97 out of 99 is bad when it is a deception.
"I don't want to see a single war millionaire created in the United States as a result of this world disaster.”
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
so would you prefer we not rebuild Iraq?
ok we can disagree, but I think rebuilding infrastructure that we destroyed is important.
you are one of those guys who were picked on as a kid and choose to be a hardass behind the protection of a computer screen huh
We caused the death of 2.5 of every 100 people in Iraq. You can't fix them - or their friends and family. We also seriously injured another perhaps 1 of every 20.. perhaps worse..
can't fix that...
and the numbers grow every day!
Bechtel IS pulling out, they have announced that they will not tender bids on the many infrastructure projects which remain. You are very, very naive to believe that this is a positive news story, in fact it scares me that you feel that way, as I assume you are of voting age.
To quote:
"Did Iraq come out the way you hoped it would?" asked Cliff Mumm, Bechtel's president for infrastructure work. "I would say, emphatically, no. And it's heartbreaking."
Please, jlew, do some research before posting, this is a BAD thing that Bechtel is leaving, it isn't a sign of accomplishment. Also, I am NOT a Bechtel supporter by any means, if that is the way my post seems....this is the same company that killed a women in Boston because of their shoddy work on the Big Dig.
never mind ....
What are you gonna do? Hit me with your purse?
Hail, Hail!!!
I try to be extra respectful to you, try to respect my elders, and here you are with this comment. thanks
I did do some research.
The company said it completed 97 of the 99 tasks it had been charged with completing by the U.S. Agency for International Development.
In a statement issued to the Congressional committee on government reform in late September, company president Cliff Mumm stood by the company's efforts.
although I did not know this was the big dig company. that sucked.
Jlew again!!! haha man your a legend! Are u running in the next election u seem like a natural.
So many classic Jlew quotes i wanted to add in but it seems i cant log on here without having to pick u up on something else so we stick to the amazing point ur tryin to make.
2.3 Billion Dollars, such big hearts, and im sure quite easily the lowest quote recieved in a fair and open marketplace.
Truly a "good thing"
fuck my sides ache, i wish i could record a laugh on here FUCK hahahahahaha
vision oOnly Greyyy