Bush declassifies al-Qaida intelligence

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    american doesnt control Iraqi oil. never has, never will.

    No we don't but oil did play a major role in our decision to invade. We didn't invade for the oil but we did invade because of the oil. Let's face it if their was no oil in the Middle East we wouldn't give a second thought to any of those countries. Their leaders could butcher their own people by the millions and we would not bother sending in our troops to help.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    No we don't but oil did play a major role in our decision to invade.
    We didn't invade for the oil but we did invade because of the oil. Let's face it if their was no oil in the Middle East we wouldn't give a second thought to any of those countries. Their leaders could butcher their own people by the millions and we would not bother sending in our troops to help.

    sure, oil played a huge role in the invasion. people are shocked and outraged by this. has anyone taken a second to realize how much we depend on this oil? I hate that fact but its reality.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    Well the problem with the jihadist is that they have blended in with the Shi'ite militias and Sunni insurgents. So at this point it's almost impossible to tell one from the other. The international community hasn't done a thing simple because it wasn't their problem to begin with, but I believe that they now can see the larger implications of an unstable Iraq. Iran obviously wants a Shi'ite controlled Islamic Republic to mirror their own. Turkey does not want an independent Kurdistan because of the instability it will bring their border. Saudi Arabia does not want to see Shi'Ite controlled government in Iraq because of fear that their Shi'ite minority may turn against the government with support from both Iraq and Iran. As for Syria I have no idea what they want or can gain from Iraq. The international community is aware of this and the people that have the most to loose is the Arab League. We need to approach them on bended knee take responsibility for our actions in Iraq and beg for help, we also need to do this with the UN and EU. We can noi longer accomplish anything in Iraq on our own. Our military is over stretched, Afghanistan is sliding closer and closer to instability, we have not eliminated nor reduced the threat of international terrorism, and further more we have done more to damage our image among the poor Muslims in the Middle East and Southwest Asia when we should have been recahing out to these people to win their hearts and minds. They are the breeding ground for militant Islam. Finally we have not adressed Saudi Arabia. Let's face it Saudi Arabia is the birth place and central hub of radical Islam. They teach it in their state run/financed madrahas. They finance organizations that promote it with the money we spend on oil. They Al Sa'uds turn a blind eye to it in order to save their own necks because the jihadist hate them as much as they hate us. So by ignoring it and financing it they have established a buffer to keep them from being beheaded in the streets of Riyadh.
    fucked up shit.
    mammasan wrote:
    So all the while we sit in this quagmire in Iraq, militant Islam spreads and grows stronger around us. We need to change our strategy and quick but unfortunetly there are few in Washington who have the courage or the intelligence to do so.
    now more then ever, is time to start withdrawing our combat forces. we need to let iraqis do it themselves.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    sure, oil played a huge role in the invasion. people are shocked and outraged by this. has anyone taken a second to realize how much we depend on this oil? I hate that fact but its reality.

    Yes we depend on it but I don't believe we should be going to war because of it. It's not like we had oil shortages because of Saddam. In fact, if memory serves me right, the last time we had an oil shortage was because of our friends the Saudis not our enemies Iran or Iraq.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    fucked up shit.

    FUBAR.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    Yes we depend on it but I don't believe we should be going to war because of it. It's not like we had oil shortages because of Saddam. In fact, if memory serves me right, the last time we had an oil shortage was because of our friends the Saudis not our enemies Iran or Iraq.

    I agree. the future looks bright though. (30-60 years out im guessing) our dependence will hopefully be gone or greatly diminished. iraq, iran, saudi arbia will be useless to us. well then there will be israel problem. lets go back to 1967 borders and lets all hold hands around the world and sing we are the world. were is michael jackson when you need him.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I agree. the future looks bright though. (30-60 years out im guessing) our dependence will hopefully be gone or greatly diminished. iraq, iran, saudi arbia will be useless to us. well then there will be israel problem. lets go back to 1967 borders and lets all hold hands around the world and sing we are the world. were is michael jackson when you need him.

    Once we are no longer dependent on oil, probably not in my lifetime, I'm pretty sure we will not be as supportive of Israel as we are now. Israel is like our RA in the dorm known as the Middle East. Once we no longer need the Middle East for oil we no longer need Israel as a strong presense there.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    jlew24asu wrote:
    sure, oil played a huge role in the invasion. people are shocked and outraged by this. has anyone taken a second to realize how much we depend on this oil? I hate that fact but its reality.

    The problem is that your leaders make shit up to justify the war instead of telling the truth. I would almost respect Bush if he had just said "we need to make sure China doesn't come and grab that oil". It would have made sense and it would have been the truth.
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Songburst wrote:
    The problem is that your leaders make shit up to justify the war instead of telling the truth. I would almost respect Bush if he had just said "we need to make sure China doesn't come and grab that oil". It would have made sense and it would have been the truth.

    actually the problem is the consumption of so much oil and our lack of ability to refine it.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    jlew24asu wrote:
    were is michael jackson when you need him.


    without a doubt, this would make the problem much worse :cool:

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