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Patriotism is the disease of the ignorant!

oil alternativeoil alternative Posts: 192
edited November 2008 in A Moving Train
anyone care to argue listen to 'Imagine', i think that song sets out what the basis of an ideal world society!
Maybe America electing a black president is the 1st step toward it!
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To break down borders and realise that we are one species and then the true patriotism comes from pride and love of the human race, not from the tribes of which we currently are divided, open your eyes your mind will see! - ME
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  • fugawzifugawzi Posts: 879
    I don't follow. What song?
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  • oil alternativeoil alternative Posts: 192
    Imagine - John Lennon
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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    Patriotism is not a "disease of the ignorant". You can be informed and also be patriotic. You can be critical of the government, of war and of politics in general and still love your country and be patriotic. Patriotism can take many forms. Your statement in and of itself makes you actually sound like the ignorant one here, no offense.

    Xenophobia, which is probably what you have in mind, is another issue altogether.
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  • fugawzifugawzi Posts: 879
    oil alternative wrote:
    Imagine - John Lennon

    Oh ok. I thought you meant "Hard to Imagine" by PJ.
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  • oil alternativeoil alternative Posts: 192
    yeah! i shoulda probably explained that 1 better!
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    To break down borders and realise that we are one species and then the true patriotism comes from pride and love of the human race, not from the tribes of which we currently are divided, open your eyes your mind will see! - ME
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    BinFrog wrote:
    Patriotism is not a "disease of the ignorant". You can be informed and also be patriotic. You can be critical of the government, of war and of politics in general and still love your country and be patriotic. Patriotism can take many forms. Your statement in and of itself makes you actually sound like the ignorant one here, no offense.

    Xenophobia, which is probably what you have in mind, is another issue altogether.

    +1
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  • DixieNDixieN Posts: 351
    Nationalism is a disease of the ignorant. Patriotism is a good thing.
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    DixieN wrote:
    Nationalism is a disease of the ignorant. Patriotism is a good thing.

    You stole my post!

    Too many people confuse patriotism with nationalism.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I wouldn't base my opinion on a song, but I do believe that Patriotism's day is over. It had it's place back when communication and transportation and technology weren't what they are now, but it's pretty played now.

    Of course, you will have someone agree with that in one breath and then complain about jobs moving out of the country in the next. They are the same thing, people.

    I care about people, not Americans. If the job goes somewhere else to someone who needs it, then more power to them.
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  • oil alternativeoil alternative Posts: 192
    BinFrog wrote:
    Patriotism is not a "disease of the ignorant". You can be informed and also be patriotic. You can be critical of the government, of war and of politics in general and still love your country and be patriotic. Patriotism can take many forms. Your statement in and of itself makes you actually sound like the ignorant one here, no offense.

    Xenophobia, which is probably what you have in mind, is another issue altogether.

    When i say 'ignorant' i mean not looking at the big picture which is looking past borders and seeing the human race as one nation, understand now????
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  • chiquimonkeychiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    oil alternative wrote:
    When i say 'ignorant' i mean not looking at the big picture which is looking past borders and seeing the human race as one nation, understand now????
    so by that line of reasoning, being open to the human condition outside one's borders makes you unpatriotic then? :confused:

    one can be intellectually saavy and feel love for one's country at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive.
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    so by that line of reasoning, being open to the human condition outside one's borders makes you unpatriotic then? :confused:

    one can be intellectually saavy and feel love for one's country at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive.


    exactly.

    and patriotism and nationalism, NOT the same thing. besides the fact, that patriotism, as a definition, has been severly altered....best to look towards the true meaning of the word. it's a good thing.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    patriotism is the refuge of scoundrels.
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  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    "The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair."

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    "Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and excusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let me label you as they may."
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  • oil alternativeoil alternative Posts: 192
    To break down borders and realise that we are one species and then the true patriotism comes from pride and love of the human race, not from the tribes of which we currently are divided, open your eyes your mind will see! - ME
    www.myspace.com/rockmastergeneral

    To break down borders and realise that we are one species and then the true patriotism comes from pride and love of the human race, not from the tribes of which we currently are divided, open your eyes your mind will see! - ME
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    oil alternative wrote:
    To break down borders and realise that we are one species and then the true patriotism comes from pride and love of the human race, not from the tribes of which we currently are divided, open your eyes your mind will see! - ME
    Cool. :)

    I'm all for opening our minds to beyond the tribal mindset. Anyone else?
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