America....

Smellyman2Smellyman2 Posts: 689
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I guess just confiscating the stolen wood wouldn't have been suffecient enough, they had to make a point by shooting up and then crushing the car. I guess that's just part of being a democracy.
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  • Wow, what a bunch of tough guys.
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  • robbierobbie Posts: 883
    winning those hearts and minds.............
  • I don't think that's representative of the majority of American soldiers, just like I don't think the videos of jihadists blowing up embassys/boats/etc. are representative of the majority of Middle Eastern Muslims.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Saturnal wrote:
    I don't think that's representative of the majority of American soldiers, just like I don't think the videos of jihadists blowing up embassys/boats/etc. are representative of the majority of Middle Eastern Muslims.

    Your right it's not, but even a few soldiers acting in that manner is a disgrace and gives our military a bad name.
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  • mammasan wrote:
    Your right it's not, but even a few soldiers acting in that manner is a disgrace and gives our military a bad name.

    I know, I'm just saying that it's sad that it does give the entire military a bad name...same goes for the Muslims.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Saturnal wrote:
    I don't think that's representative of the majority of American soldiers, just like I don't think the videos of jihadists blowing up embassys/boats/etc. are representative of the majority of Middle Eastern Muslims.
    ...
    The problem is... perception is reality to many people. Just as the L.A.P.D. officers in the Rodney King beating placed a false stigma on the department as a whole... the effect of this type of action will have the same effect on the people of the Middle east who see this. And you know if you can view this video... so can anyone else in the world.
    And in the Middle East... perception is often times greater than reality. Ask Al Jazzera.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    I'd like to know what happened to those soldiers.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    a few bad apples, I say...
  • Cosmo wrote:
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    The problem is... perception is reality to many people. Just as the L.A.P.D. officers in the Rodney King beating placed a false stigma on the department as a whole... the effect of this type of action will have the same effect on the people of the Middle east who see this. And you know if you can view this video... so can anyone else in the world.
    And in the Middle East... perception is often times greater than reality. Ask Al Jazzera.

    I agree, but the title of the thread suggests that this is representative of America. I just think that's wrong.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Saturnal wrote:
    I agree, but the title of the thread suggests that this is representative of America. I just think that's wrong.
    ...
    And it is wrong, you know it and I know it... but to the guy sitting at a computer terminal in a library at a Saudi Arabian University... it is 'truth'.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Saturnal wrote:
    I agree, but the title of the thread suggests that this is representative of America. I just think that's wrong.

    It says "America...fuck yeah"

    which seem to be a link to Team America...

    Anyway, I agree it's not a representative of America, if these soldiers were in some way punished for their actions.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Collin wrote:
    It says "America...fuck yeah"

    which seem to be a link to Team America...

    Anyway, I agree it's not a representative of America, if these soldiers were in some way punished for their actions.
    ...
    There are Americans who think we should just Nuke Iraq. I believe them to be a minority with the majority of them being idiots. Nuke Iraq because we went over there and started blowing up shit because our asshole President acted like a marginally retarded 8th grader who found his dad's stash of M-16s and TOW Missile launchers.
    Yeah... that makes sense... kill them because we started some shit that we let get out of hand... makes sense to me... in the Retardo World.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    It's representative of war.

    This is how soldiers tend to behave during the traumatic experience of war.
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  • Ahnimus wrote:
    It's representative of war.

    This is how soldiers tend to behave during the traumatic experience of war.

    it's not how soldiers tend to behave...qualify it...it's how SOME soldiers tend to behave...when they experience a traumatic situation...

    all soldiers do not face traumatic situations...and...all soldiers do not tend to behave in such a fashion.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    it's not how soldiers tend to behave...qualify it...it's how SOME soldiers tend to behave...when they experience a traumatic situation...

    all soldiers do not face traumatic situations...and...all soldiers do not tend to behave in such a fashion.

    Ok, so I guess those prisoner abuse reports from the secret prisons were false?

    This kind of shit happens all the time, soldiers make enemies with their enemies, it doesn't matter if they are children, civilians or what. It's a defense mechanism to just be cautious of everyone, combined with the mob mentality of being in a military unit, you end up with this kind of behavior. It's no surprise to me.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    You ever work in retail or food services... like in a department store or a McDonalds where you constantly deal with the public? Now... imagine you work at the worst K-Mart in the shittiest town... in the complaint department... and you can't quit. And... none of them speak your language and they are all pissed off at you and blame you because to them... you are K-Mart. I would imagine you would see the shitty side of people and you'd grow to detest them... they stop being people and start being a constant annoyance.
    Now... imagine that every once in a while... one of them tried to kill you with a knife or a pellet gun or carpet tacks taped around an M-80. Thing is... you've got an M-60 Machine Gun stashed behind the counter and the K-Mart corporate office authorizes you to use deadly force when deemed plausible... at your own discrection.
    Wouldn't you light up one of the bastards? I probably would... I can see myself going nutz and cranking off a full belt to scare the shit out of them.
    ...
    Which is why I wouldn't make a good soldier and I don't work in retail.
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  • EbizzieEbizzie Posts: 240
    Cosmo wrote:
    You ever work in retail or food services... like in a department store or a McDonalds where you constantly deal with the public? Now... imagine you work at the worst K-Mart in the shittiest town... in the complaint department... and you can't quit. And... none of them speak your language and they are all pissed off at you and blame you because to them... you are K-Mart. I would imagine you would see the shitty side of people and you'd grow to detest them... they stop being people and start being a constant annoyance.
    Now... imagine that every once in a while... one of them tried to kill you with a knife or a pellet gun or carpet tacks taped around an M-80. Thing is... you've got an M-60 Machine Gun stashed behind the counter and the K-Mart corporate office authorizes you to use deadly force when deemed plausible... at your own discrection.
    Wouldn't you light up one of the bastards? I probably would... I can see myself going nutz and cranking off a full belt to scare the shit out of them.
    ...
    Which is why I wouldn't make a good soldier and I don't work in retail.

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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Cosmo wrote:
    You ever work in retail or food services... like in a department store or a McDonalds where you constantly deal with the public? Now... imagine you work at the worst K-Mart in the shittiest town... in the complaint department... and you can't quit. And... none of them speak your language and they are all pissed off at you and blame you because to them... you are K-Mart. I would imagine you would see the shitty side of people and you'd grow to detest them... they stop being people and start being a constant annoyance.
    Now... imagine that every once in a while... one of them tried to kill you with a knife or a pellet gun or carpet tacks taped around an M-80. Thing is... you've got an M-60 Machine Gun stashed behind the counter and the K-Mart corporate office authorizes you to use deadly force when deemed plausible... at your own discrection.
    Wouldn't you light up one of the bastards? I probably would... I can see myself going nutz and cranking off a full belt to scare the shit out of them.
    ...
    Which is why I wouldn't make a good soldier and I don't work in retail.

    Having worked in both industries, while in college, you summed up the frustration perfectly.
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  • bryanfurybryanfury Posts: 460
    damn we're fuckin cool!

    nothing like bullying poor people!

    hoo fuckin rah.

    actually, that's as sad a thing as i've seen. those guys should be thrown out of the army.
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  • bryanfury wrote:
    damn we're fuckin cool!

    nothing like bullying poor people!

    hoo fuckin rah.

    actually, that's as sad a thing as i've seen. those guys should be thrown out of the army.

    Buddy that aint shit, I've heard of some truly FUCKED up shit, that never made it out of there. And fuck those troops, there's teaching these guys a lesson and then there's probably taking away that guys livelyhood. Bad Apples.
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  • bryanfurybryanfury Posts: 460
    Buddy that aint shit, I've heard of some truly FUCKED up shit, that never made it out of there. And fuck those troops, there's teaching these guys a lesson and then there's probably taking away that guys livelyhood. Bad Apples.

    oh yeah, i know it gets worse.... a LOT worse.

    gotta support the troops though right.....
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  • bryanfury wrote:
    oh yeah, i know it gets worse.... a LOT worse.

    gotta support the troops though right.....

    I don't even know what the fuck that means "support the troops". I got in a big argument about this with my sister cause she's got a couple of those yellow ribbons on her car. Putting a ribbon on your car doesn't mean shit to anyone. She's legit, she sent care packages to me so she actually did support the troops.

    The majority of soldiers in Iraq are absolutely normal people, there your classmates neighbors siblings whatever. But I swear to god, every now and then the right number of whack jobs get together and are momentarily unsupervised by rational thinkers, then all hell breaks loose.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I don't even know what the fuck that means "support the troops". I got in a big argument about this with my sister cause she's got a couple of those yellow ribbons on her car. Putting a ribbon on your car doesn't mean shit to anyone. She's legit, she sent care packages to me so she actually did support the troops.

    The majority of soldiers in Iraq are absolutely normal people, there your classmates neighbors siblings whatever. But I swear to god, every now and then the right number of whack jobs get together and are momentarily unsupervised by rational thinkers, then all hell breaks loose.
    ...
    You want an honest answer?
    I'm a pretty laid back guy that prefers peace to drama. But, i can easily see myself getting so pissed off by seeing my friends come back to the base all bloodied and ripped apart from bombs planted by 'People we are there to help'... that in the right circumstances... where the anger and the rage and the frustration along with the lack of supervision creates a situation, I'd light up couple of the fuckers.
    Which is why I would never make a good soldier.
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    You want an honest answer?
    I'm a pretty laid back guy that prefers peace to drama. But, i can easily see myself getting so pissed off by seeing my friends come back to the base all bloodied and ripped apart from bombs planted by 'People we are there to help'... that in the right circumstances... where the anger and the rage and the frustration along with the lack of supervision creates a situation, I'd light up couple of the fuckers.
    Which is why I would never make a good soldier.

    I considered myself to be a good soldier, but after witnessing a buddy of mine get waxed under fucked up circumstances, I was immediately placed on guard duty in a tower for a week or so until I cooled off and got my head straight. That was a good move by my platoon sergeant cause I really did want to just kill somebody.

    Don't sell yourself short bud, the army can teach you to be all that you can be. ;)
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I considered myself to be a good soldier, but after witnessing a buddy of mine get waxed under fucked up circumstances, I was immediately placed on guard duty in a tower for a week or so until I cooled off and got my head straight. That was a good move by my platoon sergeant cause I really did want to just kill somebody.

    Don't sell yourself short bud, the army can teach you to be all that you can be. ;)
    ...
    Yeah... I don't condone these actions.
    ...
    But, I can certainly understand them.
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  • bryanfurybryanfury Posts: 460
    I don't even know what the fuck that means "support the troops". I got in a big argument about this with my sister cause she's got a couple of those yellow ribbons on her car. Putting a ribbon on your car doesn't mean shit to anyone. She's legit, she sent care packages to me so she actually did support the troops.

    The majority of soldiers in Iraq are absolutely normal people, there your classmates neighbors siblings whatever. But I swear to god, every now and then the right number of whack jobs get together and are momentarily unsupervised by rational thinkers, then all hell breaks loose.

    yeah, i don;t either. that's why i said it.

    "a yellow ribbon, instead of a swastika. nothing proper about your propaganda"
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  • down_skidown_ski Posts: 328
    bryanfury wrote:
    yeah, i don;t either. that's why i said it.

    "a yellow ribbon, instead of a swastika. nothing proper about your propaganda"

    Taking a Rage Against the Machine lyric from 10 years ago to justify the difference between supporting american soldiers and the genocide of 6 million jews and almost 63 million other casualties is a little childish.

    As much as i love Rage, they were pretty over-the-top crazy.

    And i've seen this video before, but instead of a narrator it just had a text narration. So who knows what really happend there, just be glad these Soldiers were not beheading these people like we have all seen on the other side of the spectrum.
  • BrezBrez Posts: 570
    I saw this same video w/ out the added in music and it was longer. And at the end the commentator said the guy who's car got smashed said "I am a taxi driver, that car was my livelihood"

    Now I don't know if that was the truth or if it was the media just throwin in a lie to make you feel even worse for the guy but... If that's true... Holy Shit.
    And before his first step... He's off again...
  • bryanfurybryanfury Posts: 460
    down_ski wrote:
    Taking a Rage Against the Machine lyric from 10 years ago to justify the difference between supporting american soldiers and the genocide of 6 million jews and almost 63 million other casualties is a little childish.

    As much as i love Rage, they were pretty over-the-top crazy.

    And i've seen this video before, but instead of a narrator it just had a text narration. So who knows what really happend there, just be glad these Soldiers were not beheading these people like we have all seen on the other side of the spectrum.

    childish? that doesn't make any sense.

    its propaganda, pure and simple. propaganda used to support a war, and a cause. i disagree wholeheartedly with that cause, and this war that has cost the lives of innocent people.
    those undecided, needn't have faith to be free
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