The Pope is smart...fundies to follow?
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“(Creation and Evolution) are presented as alternatives that exclude each other,” the pope said. “This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”
"Last April, the Vatican sponsored a scientific conference on climate change to underscore the role that religious leaders around the world could play in reminding people that willfully damaging the environment is sinful."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/
Come on "It's Junk Science Fundies" get on board.
"Last April, the Vatican sponsored a scientific conference on climate change to underscore the role that religious leaders around the world could play in reminding people that willfully damaging the environment is sinful."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/
Come on "It's Junk Science Fundies" get on board.
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
God bless him.
-Enoch Powell
yeah, it was like music to a recovering catholic's ears when i first heard that a few months back.
Yet he also said stuff like:
Touching on a sensitive historical episode, Benedict said Latin American Indians had been "silently longing" to become Christians when Spanish and Portuguese conquerors took over their native lands centuries ago.
"In effect, the proclamation of Jesus and of his Gospel did not at any point involve an alienation of the pre-Columbus cultures, nor was it the imposition of a foreign culture," he said.
That's some funny stuff right there from the pope.
Mexico City - July 18th 2003
Mexico City - July 19th 2003
Monterrey - December 7th 2005
Mexico City - December 9th 2005
Mexico City - December 10th 2005
Mexico City - November 24th 2011
Many of the tribes did try to become Christians, but the armies of Spain and Portugal killed them. Priests and missionaries supported the Indians cultures and wanted to save them.
It was the governments of those countries that killed the Indians, not the Church. The Church continues to help some tribes maintain their identity and culture.
-Enoch Powell
The Inquisition was supported by the church... if that's not imposition, then I don't know what is...
Mexico City - July 18th 2003
Mexico City - July 19th 2003
Monterrey - December 7th 2005
Mexico City - December 9th 2005
Mexico City - December 10th 2005
Mexico City - November 24th 2011
If the priests and missionaries wanted to save the cultures of the Native Americans, they would have left them alone.
He is just reinforcing something Pope John Paul II said a while back on evolution. Really isn't anything new. But I am glad to hear him saying it.
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For all their other faults, the Catholic Church isn't literalist. In fact, they're openly and proudly non-literalist - my Grandmother once told me that in her school days they often discouraged reading the Bible - leading many Protestants to consider them non-Biblical, non-Christian.
One of the greatest tragedies of Christianity is when the Bible was suddenly read completelly literally. It's only happened recently. In the past, it was read largely as an allegory.
Such as: Song of Songs cannot be read literally - otherwise you force it to be a love poem and you miss the underlying beauty of it. That is, you miss the comparison of love between a husband and wife to love between Israel and Yahweh.
-Enoch Powell
I don't see it that way : I think catholics have some hindsight and do not take the old testament too literally. But do blindly believe everything written in the new testament. They believe their true God is the peace lovin' one described by Jesus, not the jalous and fierce one in the old testament.
That's not entirely true. Catholics believe everything in the Bible but read some parts as not literal. Such as: we don't believe you are supposed to stone your daughter if she becomes a tramp. We just believe that that type of sin is very serious and those passages inform that belief.
As for the new testament, you really can't believe that John's visions in Revelation actually happened or will happen exactly as he says. They're to be taken figuratively in some respects. Perhaps the mark of the beast won't be exactly 666 - scholars maintain that 666 was code word for "Nero," since Nero persecuted Christians at the time Revelation was written.
The point is, you need to understand the context and purpose of why scripture was written, not just what it says.
-Enoch Powell
My 13 years (including Kindergarden) of education in Catholic schools makes me believe that I am confident in what I say about the Catholic church's beliefs and you are exactly right.
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New Orleans '95
Birmingham '98
New Orleans '00
New Orleans '03
Tampa '08
New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest
New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest
Fenway Park '18
St. Louis '22
man, the people that do REALLY crack me the fuck up. they're like the trekkies of christianity. nerds!
im surprised to find myself agreeing with you though... literalist fundamentalism is a true cancer in america. i don't know where it came from or why it is so popular, but it is both dangerous and seriously hurting the country. it's the same brand of thinking islamic terrorists use.
didn't say they were ALWAYS reasonable, or even often. in fact, most of the time they're not. which is why it's always a pleasant surprise when i hear them saying something intelligent for once.
Fundamentalists are very confused about the Bible.
I prefer them to non-believers though
-Enoch Powell
not me. non-believers seem by and large too apathetic to harm me. fundamentalists scare me. they're dangerous.