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Irish AlIrish Al Posts: 6,236
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
Well I don't post on MT at all anymore but I felt compelled to when driving into work this morning and hearing that arse George Bush pretty much declaring war on IRAN. I have to say its not at all surprising, with him coming under so much pressure to pull troops out of Iraq, the US Gov needed some reason to keep troops over there......and what do we get.....Iran supports terrorism and kills innocent people :rolleyes:.....POT AND FUCKING KETTLE :mad:

It makes me so mad that even more innocent people are more than likely going to die and another country has the potential to be thrown into complete turmoil in order to justify maintaining a war....Afghanestan (one of the poorest countries in the world, and has been left devestated by the onset of war)......and when all justifcation for being there had filtered away....Iraq was supporting terrorism and killing innocent people....and oh look....same again.

No don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that these countries were little nirvanas and that there weren't terrorist factions at large but this complete and utter attempted show of power by the US gov is absolutely sickening and I strongly feel that its now up to the American public to stand up and be counted and not allow this to continue.

Rant over..........for the moment
I need a coffee!
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  • michaelrpcvmichaelrpcv Posts: 15
    Hello Irish,
    Your rant below is completely understood and heard over here in the US. Believe me when I say that the idiots running the country now will never get away with bombing Iran. They have no support from the population to do so. All their lies and propaganda have been used up on Iraq. It won't happen.
    Am I being overly optimistic? Maybe. But what else do we have at this point, eh?
    ...So may the road rise to meet you, and may the wind be always at your back...
    Take care. Slainte,
    Michael
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    the american public has proven itself unworthy of nobility
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Irish Al wrote:
    No don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that these countries were little nirvanas and that there weren't terrorist factions at large but this complete and utter attempted show of power by the US gov is absolutely sickening and I strongly feel that its now up to the American public to stand up and be counted and not allow this to continue.

    Completely agree. It's obvious King George will keep doing what HE wants to do until he's STOPPED! Why does it have to get this far for the People to do anything about it (and that's saying that we will do anything about it!)!
  • edvedder3779edvedder3779 Posts: 65
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Why does it have to get this far for the People to do anything about it (and that's saying that we will do anything about it!)!

    I try to not get cynical, unfortunately, cynicism takes hold when contemplating the above.

    My mother and I just had a huge blowout over the weekend because of this, and I think she summed it up nicely: "People just don't care. You're not going to stop any of it."

    And, to my dismay, I think she's right. This war is completely detached from most of our realities. It's a serial drama, and its getting poor ratings, so we change the channel.

    Give us LiLo, give us Paris, give us Brangelina. That's what sells. :rolleyes:

    Who gives a damn if we escalate this thing to include Iran and completely bankrupt the nation & break the military?

    EDIT: My youngest brother is about to do his 3rd tour over there with the Marines...so it is not detached from my reality.

    EDIT2: Speaking as a Republican, I absolutely, positively, do not, and will not, forgive Pelosi, Reid, Conyers, et al. for not manning up, growing a set & impeaching this administration from top to bottom. Absolutely disgraceful.
    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
    -The Duke
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    polaris wrote:
    the american public has proven itself unworthy of nobility

    i do not agree

    not to mention the asshole you guys recently elected :rolleyes:
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    polaris wrote:
    the american public has proven itself unworthy of nobility

    shit! i didnt even know we were in consideration! id have been on my best behavior :)
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    my2hands wrote:
    i do not agree

    not to mention the asshole you guys recently elected :rolleyes:

    we are definitely heading in your direction - i won't disagree with that ... but despite that - i don't see how we would allow our tax dollars and soldiers to be used in a war profiteering exercise founded on lies? ... the afghan mission is already deeply unpopular here and our defence minister was fired because of his inability to sell it ...

    in any case - the last 7 or so years thru scandal after scandal has shown that the american public are disengaged and that they aren't really worthy of honesty and integrity in gov't simply because they do not seek it ...
  • FredFlintstoneFredFlintstone Posts: 193
    All the sabble rattling from the Chickenhawk in Chief and the Vice Criminal is amusing.

    I would say that the US is a bigger threat to world peace than Iran is.
    How many countries has Iran bombed in the last 30 years? How many wars and invasions, coups, etc has Iran done??

    We need to look in the mirror folks. Our nation is being led by some scary ppl with strong connections to the Israeli lobby, AIPAC, hell half of them are duals. Larry Franklin was just the tip......

    War with Iran is suicide.
    But if it gets a GOP majority in 08....it may well be worth it!!
    "Sean Hannity knows there is no greater threat to America today than Bill Clinton 15 years ago"- Stephen Colbert
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Bush is determined to have a victory somewhere and if a total bombing campaign in IRAN will get him that, that's just fine by this regime.

    Ain't gall daarn thang ya'll gown do bout it.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    If he waits about 10 months, he can walk out with a very high approval rating.
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    Irish Al wrote:
    its now up to the American public to stand up and be counted and not allow this to continue.


    this is very true my Irish brother,very true!!

    when the time comes i believe there will be enough of us who are awake who will fight to take our country back.

    that's why they are building "internment camps" (see REX 84)
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • MarylandTeacherMarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    ....that warrants a US invasion? I can recall the 1979 Hostage Crisis, but, other than harboring some terrorists (and the U.S. has any number of extremists living here as well), what is Bush's reasoning for going to war again?




    Jeanwah wrote:
    Completely agree. It's obvious King George will keep doing what HE wants to do until he's STOPPED! Why does it have to get this far for the People to do anything about it (and that's saying that we will do anything about it!)!
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • Irish AlIrish Al Posts: 6,236
    JamMastaE wrote:
    this is very true my Irish brother,very true!!

    when the time comes i believe there will be enough of us who are awake who will fight to take our country back.

    that's why they are building "internment camps" (see REX 84)

    Unfortunately I don't think it will happen. The Bush camp are not gonna be long in office and I believe that the people, who would have risen up, will say...."well he's nearly gone, so lets just wait it out".

    Its not easy to openly disagree/oppose those in power because we are all ultimitely consumers and live a "comfortable" life, and in reality if things were to change and to the detrament of our lifestyles maybe we wouldn't stand up and be counted (and that goes for me!)

    Unfortunately the US has a massive stranglehold over most of the world through the businesses that it has sent out to almost every country in western society (and I suppose eastern too). I heard a story about how the british gov were about to openly and publicly oppose the Vietnam war when the prime minister got a phone call from the us president asking him to cancel the press conference. The Prime minister refused and said that he was going to go ahead as he (and his country) could not and would not endorse this illegal war (sound familiar to recent events). He hung up the phone.....20 mins later he got a phone call from the President of the Ford company (I think it was him) saying that his company employed, both directly and indirectly, 2 million british people and if the press conference went ahead, he would pull all ties from britain.....needless to say the press conference didn't go ahead!

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is still going on today.
    I need a coffee!
  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    Irish Al wrote:
    Unfortunately I don't think it will happen. The Bush camp are not gonna be long in office and I believe that the people, who would have risen up, will say...."well he's nearly gone, so lets just wait it out".

    Its not easy to openly disagree/oppose those in power because we are all ultimitely consumers and live a "comfortable" life, and in reality if things were to change and to the detrament of our lifestyles maybe we wouldn't stand up and be counted (and that goes for me!)

    Unfortunately the US has a massive stranglehold over most of the world through the businesses that it has sent out to almost every country in western society (and I suppose eastern too). I heard a story about how the british gov were about to openly and publicly oppose the Vietnam war when the prime minister got a phone call from the us president asking him to cancel the press conference. The Prime minister refused and said that he was going to go ahead as he (and his country) could not and would not endorse this illegal war (sound familiar to recent events). He hung up the phone.....20 mins later he got a phone call from the President of the Ford company (I think it was him) saying that his company employed, both directly and indirectly, 2 million british people and if the press conference went ahead, he would pull all ties from britain.....needless to say the press conference didn't go ahead!

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is still going on today.


    yes,unfortunately the people at the very top are evil so even when you have good people in the system,the evil one are pulling the strings.Ford has a history of supporting anti-American causes.

    i fantasize that someday it will be like the ending scene in V for vendetta when all the citizens take to the streets to take their country back.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    JamMastaE wrote:
    i fantasize that someday it will be like the ending scene in V for vendetta when all the citizens take to the streets to take their country back.
    My fantasy too.

    I can't help but think that, across the world, are news stories that the problem with the world today isn't the leader of the U.S., but the U.S. people for not doing something about him. We are responsible for all this happening, aren't we, to some degree?
  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    Jeanwah wrote:
    My fantasy too.

    I can't help but think that, across the world, are news stories that the problem with the world today isn't the leader of the U.S., but the U.S. people for not doing something about him. We are responsible for all this happening, aren't we, to some degree?


    you are right,we are responsible. the forefathers said if tyranny ever lifted it's ugly head then it's up to the people to exterminate it or live under oppression again.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • Irish AlIrish Al Posts: 6,236
    JamMastaE wrote:
    you are right,we are responsible. the forefathers said if tyranny ever lifted it's ugly head then it's up to the people to exterminate it or live under oppression again.

    Very true :D
    I need a coffee!
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