Israel started this....
Eliot Rosewater
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Sorry, I just got so goddamn sick and tired of seeing that "Hezbollah started this" bullshit thread that is clearly misrepresenting the truth.
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and the USA is doing nothing to stop them. In fact, we sell Israel their weapons, and provide funding for 20% of their military.....
so.....
In essence, the USA is attacking Lebanon too.
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Its an oversimplification of the truth, perhaps, but its not a misrepresentation.
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/meast/07/26/mideast.main/newt1.1658.tyre.afp.gi.jpg
Sickening...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict
Its not biased and easy to read. BTW, you should read my last post in that thread, I've just post it. its a nice conversation between me and a lebanese civilian called ruud.
Its you and Ruud that are the people I worry about...innocents whose lives are being toyed with by the violent selfish actions of a few on both sides....the murderous cycle has got to end....
Well, if some people [1] around here (and around the world) stoped being such one-sided, demagogic and full with hate, they would:
1. note our (Ruud & I) conversation.
2. Learn somthing out of it - people who actually live here (the mid-east)know better than you. We don't need too many biased & stupid articles, we don't need you to take one side, we don't need a constant reminders of what our govt are doing or not, we don't need to be attacked with all kinds of demagogic expressions.
We just need you to litsen instead of reading what you want to read, and assuming what you like to assume. If Ruud & I can litsen to each other, then you can all be able litsening to us.
[1] I'm not talking about you.
Thanks....at least you dont have the nerve to say I follow Nazi philosophy....which is complete and utter bullshit....but anyway like I said I just want the murderous cycle to end and that includes members from both sides making concessions to ensure this gets done....
Do you have a patent on the truth? You must have been there, right? I mean let's forget that this has been going on for thousands and thousands of years…and let's just skip ahead and hear your first person account of the events that led up to this recent fighting. After all, to make such a claim, you MUST have been there in person for all of it.
So, let's hear it.
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Oh....they must be renovating I guess.
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20060725/i/r2610056732.jpg
And that's an Israeli family.
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20060725/i/r1753066374.jpg
And that's Israeli blood.
It's sickening from both sides, so claiming one end as worse than the other is disingenuous.
So what exactly started this particular conflagration other than the Hezbollah crossing the agreed-upon border and kidnapping an Israeli national? Please do "represent the truth" for me.
Well in the first one, it looks like daddy is a cop and they're going for a walk.
In the second one, it looks like the guy stopped to talk to the cameraman and the meat (or something) in the guys grocery bag leaked on the sidewalk. It does lead right up to his feet.... Oh man, some of the WEAKEST pics I've ever seen
The latest chapter of the conflict between Israel and Palestine began when Israeli forces abducted two civilians, a doctor and his brother, from Gaza. An incident scarcely reported anywhere, except in the Turkish press. The following day the Palestinians took an Israeli soldier prisoner - and proposed a negotiated exchange against prisoners taken by the Israelis - there are approximately 10,000 in Israeli jails.
I asked you another thread, where and what does it say that this has been going on for thousdands of years? You jump from thread to thread spouting ill educated bollocks, yet provide no facts to support your blatant war mongering stance.
Pathetic.
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It's true in the sense that since the modern state of Israel's inception, it has been repeatedly attacked by its Arab neighbors.
Anyone with half an education and some historical knowledge realizes that this conflict between the Jews and Arabs has been going on since pretty much the beginning of time. Look it up. I don't have to prove myself to you. However, since you're so upset that I can't answer your every question at your beck and call, here's the proof you wanted about the Iranian leader saying that he thinks Israel should be "wiped off the map". You wanted it, here it is. First paragraph.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/26/news/iran.php
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I wasn't talking about just Hezzbollah specifically. So, were you there in person or not?
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I'm 99% sure that Hezbollah is funded by Syria and/or Iran. It's possible even Russia or China has a hand in it somewhere. I'm 99% sure that Hezbollah wants Arabs out of jail. I'm 99% sure Israel uses White Phosphorus, Depleted Uranium and something like Mustard Gas against palestinians and now Lebanon.
I've constantly posted links to sources during my research. I've given critical thought to the conflict and drawn some pretty clear conclusions. It really doesn't matter if you are there or not, I appreciate the first-person perspective, but it's not solid evidence. I prefer things like government statements, news articles and video footage. Even news articles, ehh, if I can find something else to back them up, like a university website or something, government documents, anything.
Many of whom were detained within Israel for suspicion of involvement in Hezbollah-related activities.
It was always burning
since the world's been turning
Israel didn't start the fire
No they didn't light it
But they tried to fight it...
Next time you see an Israeli soldier or the opposition hezzy/hamassies, ala-slamai peanut butter sandwich, walk up to them, pull out a smoke, offer them one and ask them for a light...
They all carry fire of some sort...
Wow, getting arrested for suspicion, welcome to the prison planet. Thank you, your cell is the third one on the right. Don't worry, we have plenty of ignorant slaves to pay for all this.
wha?? do your eyes function ok? I saw nothing overly out of the ordinary other than Mr. "Daddy Gun and badge" - being a cop. - (also reminds me of Daddigon... a great bredrin of mine)
The need for the existence of police. Bah!
Download this mp3: to hear respects to Daddigon: (excellent song if you follow the lyrics btw)
why not learn some Jamaican Patois?
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actually it didn't start in 1937.
i'd love to know why you picked 1937 as the start-date for this conflict, since the only notable thing i can think of from that year is the peel commission partition plan. but this wasn't the first proposed partition plan or even the second. so what makes 1937 such an important year?
it's not when the violence started.
the first large-scale violent acts took place in 1920 when british authorities incited the arabs to riot and attack jews in jerusalem. they continued to do that throughout the 20's.
if you know so little about palestine before israel was created, maybe that explains why you're so off the mark in your analysis of israel's creation.
can i see a bibliography of your "research" please?
Most antizionists are antisemites
and there were fewer lynchings before the civil war.
under muslim rule, jews were tolerated as long as it suited the rulers. there were massacres, just not as frequent as in europe.
we don't feel like being 2nd class citizens, thank you.
Most antizionists are antisemites