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What if W wanted to stay in power?

DerrickDerrick Posts: 475
edited October 2008 in A Moving Train
What if George W decided Obama was going to smoke McCain in the election, and declared war on Iran to stay in power? Is that legal?

Educate this Canadian.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

    Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

    w is done no matter what....attacking iran will be obama or mccain's job :rolleyes:
  • deadmosquitodeadmosquito Posts: 729
    Derrick wrote:
    What if George W decided Obama was going to smoke McCain in the election, and declared war on Iran to stay in power? Is that legal?

    Educate this Canadian.


    also, the president cannot formally declare war. only congress can.
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    He could always try an pull a Bloomberg (Mayor, NYC) and try and get the rules changed ...

    but, let's be honest ... if he was in office another 4 years, the impeechement discussions would be pretty heavy right now.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    deadmosquito wrote:
    also, the president cannot formally declare war. only congress can.

    Not anymore. remember Congress granted him the power to use military force when ever and wherever to fight the War on Terror. Congress relinquished that power without a second thought.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 475
    Hmm...I thought your president during WWII (Roosevelt?) was in there for more than 2 terms. Meh..I can look it up.
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Derrick wrote:
    Hmm...I thought your president during WWII (Roosevelt?) was in there for more than 2 terms. Meh..I can look it up.


    fdr had 4 terms....after which the 22nd amendment was inacted
  • jbalicki10jbalicki10 Posts: 517
    President Bush or any future president could use the military if he had the backing of his generals and or senate to setup a dictatorship. It's been done before in history. See Ceasar (Ancient Rome) and Senator Palpatine (long time ago in a galaxy far far away...)
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    yeah good luck with that, georgy. only the delusional conspiracy guys think that could possibly be pulled off right now or soon.
  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 475
    Well, I suppose my next question is "Why?" for Amendment 22. I mean, if the prez is doing a good job, and the majority of voters think he is doing a good job, why make him leave and take your chances on a new candidate with no experience?

    I read the reasoning in the Wiki page, but man...the president of the US is quite possibly the single most important job on Earth. Why legislate a mandatory new rookie every four or eight years if your existing leader still has stuff to offer, and has the backing of the people?

    If they are bad or unpopular, they will get voted out. If they break the law, then you can impeach them. Basically in the past four years, W hasn't had to give two shits about his popularity because he knows he is on the outs anyways. So there is not much holding him back from making any decision he wants.

    Sorry for soapboxing...
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Why in the world would Georgy Porgy want back in to clean this mess up? Would he evenn want to?

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  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    Hopefully C. Powell could raise an army to take the despot down if Bush tried to pull that crap.
    "Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    You know, I would say "the Constitution forbids it."

    But I've said that many times in the past eight years, and it doesn't seem to make a difference.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I highly doubt Bush wants to stay in office. Why have to deal with the monumental failures of the past 8 years when you can retire in luxury and have someone else clean it up for you.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    mammasan wrote:
    I highly doubt Bush wants to stay in office. Why have to deal with the monumental failures of the past 8 years when you can retire in luxury and have someone else clean it up for you.

    Well there's lots to do after his 8 yrs in office like speaking engagements for what $100,000 a pop or celebrations for his name on buildings, libraries or warships.

    He'll be a well celebrated man with his oil and war profiteering friends, lots of time to sit back and have a beer. Why get back in this mess?

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    g under p wrote:
    Well there's lots to do after his 8 yrs in office like speaking engagements for what $100,000 a pop or celebrations for his name on buildings, libraries or warships.

    He'll be a well celebrated man with his oil and war profiteering friends, lots of time to sit back and have a beer. Why get back in this mess?

    Peace

    Shit I'm surprised Obama and McCain even want the job.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Derrick wrote:
    Well, I suppose my next question is "Why?" for Amendment 22. I mean, if the prez is doing a good job, and the majority of voters think he is doing a good job, why make him leave and take your chances on a new candidate with no experience?

    I read the reasoning in the Wiki page, but man...the president of the US is quite possibly the single most important job on Earth. Why legislate a mandatory new rookie every four or eight years if your existing leader still has stuff to offer, and has the backing of the people?

    If they are bad or unpopular, they will get voted out. If they break the law, then you can impeach them. Basically in the past four years, W hasn't had to give two shits about his popularity because he knows he is on the outs anyways. So there is not much holding him back from making any decision he wants.

    Sorry for soapboxing...

    That is what I have always wondered. I mean considering how much longer the life expectancy is today compared to Roosevelt's time, you would think they would change the rules a bit. I mean you can be elected president at 35 right? So it would be possible to be an awesome canidate, be elected at 35, serve an awesome 2 terms, then retire at 43 and live for another 40-50 years? I know this is an exageration but the whole concept of it doesn't seem right to me.
  • AusticmanAusticman Posts: 1,327
    Didn't Bill Clinton supporters attempt to get the rules changed so he could serve longer. I don't know what went on it's just something I heard on the grapevine.
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  • U R A Crazy BreedU R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    actually Bush CAN stay in power!! if martial law is imposed the constitution is suspended and America instantly becomes a dictatorship by way of presidential directives/Executive Orders...many of which were written up during Bush seniors time in office and some by the present day swine

    so to answer your question..YES Bush could become "King" of America and stay in power indefinitely since there is nothing in place to re-institute the constitution once we enter martial law!!

    HOW MANY OF YOU KNEW THAT??!!
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