Reasons NOT to vote for Obama

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    already voted for Obama, cause I'll be dam if I'll ever vote for an empty shell and bush in a skirt.
    ...
    That Palin thing was a fucking JOKE. A political GIMMICK. It's insulting to me that they even think of pulling this kind of crap... just because I happen to like M.I.L.F. porn. Leave the fucking M.I.L.F.s on the Internet porn sites, not in the White House.
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  • - He has strong alliances with Rev. Wright, William Ayers, Lewis Faracan etc...

    Rev. Hagee, George Bush, any house republican?
    Maybe not friends but alliances and the saying goes "if you stand near the sewer, your gonna smell like shit".

    class act. learn that in your community college debate class?
    - He is strongly involved with ACORN. They decided to sue City Bank because they would not give subprime loans to the minorities. So City Bank had to settle out of court.

    Damn minorities, they go on and on about being "held down by the man" but they were actually plotting the downfall of the mortgage system!
    Guess who's name is on the file??

    let me guess...."That One"?
    Thats right.

    Nailed it!
    Now look where the market is because of these guys.

    Probably has nothing to do with deregulation and its architect Republican Phil Graham. You know, the guy who probably would have been McCains financial advisor? You clearly follow Faux "News" talking points so you probably don't know a few republicans might have been to blame as well.
    - There are many more but I gotta run. I will post more later.

    ooohh, I'll be right here waiting!
    Hell, look into it yourself also please.

    thanks, but I don't have to, all this information is old news!
    If this guy gets elected our nation is finished.

    wrong again, but thanks for playing!
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,304
    not sure why to OP didn't just come out and say "you can't vote for this guy because he is black" which is an argument i have heard a lot around my neighborhood the last 2 weeks.....
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    - He has strong alliances with Rev. Wright, William Ayers, Lewis Faracan etc... Maybe not friends but alliances and the saying goes "if you stand near the sewer, your gonna smell like shit".
    ...
    Apply your logic to this...
    Jesus Christ has been documented to pal around with whores, beggars and robbers. That means, Jesus was a whore who begged on the street when He wasn't robbing someone... right?
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Apply your logic to this...
    Jesus Christ has been documented to pal around with whores, beggars and robbers. That means, Jesus was a whore who begged on the street when He wasn't robbing someone... right?

    Wait, so Jesus was associated with beggars, whores and thieves? Maybe he wasn't such a bad guy after all...
  • brandon10brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    Typical right wing retard.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    - - He is strongly involved with ACORN. They decided to sue City Bank because they would not give subprime loans to the minorities. So City Bank had to settle out of court. Guess who's name is on the file?? Thats right. Now look where the market is because of these guys.

    If you really think subprime lending to minorities is responsible for the current economic crisis, then I have a hard time understanding why I shouldn't brand you as an ignorant racist. Do you really believe that white people are immune to becoming irresponsible borrowers?

    And not to mention, it's spelled Citibank, not City Bank. By the way, Citibank is one of the few large banks that are actually surviving this mess. In fact, they just recently purchased Wachovia for $2.2B, so it's far from being "to blame" for where the market is right now.

    Also, I recommend reading this post and re-reading again and again until you learn how to see past your nose.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    - He has strong alliances with Rev. Wright, William Ayers, Lewis Faracan etc... Maybe not friends but alliances and the saying goes "if you stand near the sewer, your gonna smell like shit".
    - He is strongly involved with ACORN. They decided to sue City Bank because they would not give subprime loans to the minorities. So City Bank had to settle out of court. Guess who's name is on the file?? Thats right. Now look where the market is because of these guys.
    - There are many more but I gotta run. I will post more later.
    Hell, look into it yourself also please.
    If this guy gets elected our nation is finished.


    no offence dude, but you should stick to peanuts, gypsy baiting and being an acousticy type of guy... politics aint really your strong point ;):D
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • fugawzifugawzi Posts: 879
    - He has strong alliances with Rev. Wright, William Ayers, Lewis Faracan etc... Maybe not friends but alliances and the saying goes "if you stand near the sewer, your gonna smell like shit".
    - He is strongly involved with ACORN. They decided to sue City Bank because they would not give subprime loans to the minorities. So City Bank had to settle out of court. Guess who's name is on the file?? Thats right. Now look where the market is because of these guys.
    - There are many more but I gotta run. I will post more later.
    Hell, look into it yourself also please.
    If this guy gets elected our nation is finished.

    Dude give it up, Obama's gonna be the next president. Less than a month to go, McCain's down in most of the polls, and down by a lot in many of them. Down in most key battleground states, dropped out of Michigan another battleground state. Sorry but the bullshit argument about Wright, Ayers etc is NOT WORKING. People are fed up with the bullshit personal attacks so do us all a favor and don't repeat McCain's talking points. You claim there are many more but you're so busy you have to run. Riiiight, I'm sure there's so many more. Maybe you should look around this nation's been on the path to being finished the last 8 years. So please tell me how Obama's gonna make it any worse. Please tell me how you know this. You don't!
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  • bookembookem Posts: 91
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    For example... on the economy... what will John McCain do to stimulate economic growth? Or on the issue of Global Terrorism... what is John McCain's plan to curtail the expansion of people who will apply for the job of Human Bomb?

    ooh, ooh..I know the answer to this one.

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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    bookem wrote:
    ooh, ooh..I know the answer to this one.

    My Friends,

    What we need to do is buy up all those bad home loans......
    LOL. :D


    My friends, Iran is a threat....
  • fugawzifugawzi Posts: 879
    Commy wrote:
    LOL. :D


    My friends, Iran is a threat....

    Did anyone see the SNL Weekend update Thursday edition? They had a skit that was a parody of the last debate. At one point McCain was asked a question and he responded "My friends..." and Tom Brokaw says "Time's up". It was hilarious. You had to be there.
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    fugawzi wrote:
    Did anyone see the SNL Weekend update Thursday edition? They had a skit that was a parody of the last debate. At one point McCain was asked a question and he responded "My friends..." and Tom Brokaw says "Time's up". It was hilarious. You had to be there.
    I wish I had seen it, sounds classic.

    "My Friends..."

    "Time's up."

    LOL
  • fugawzifugawzi Posts: 879
    Commy wrote:
    I wish I had seen it, sounds classic.

    "My Friends..."

    "Time's up."

    LOL

    dude check it out, here's the whole skit:

    http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-debate-open/742065/

    It's about 9 minutes long, pretty hilarious. The part I was talkin about is towards the end. I had to watch it in Internet Explorer wouldn't play through my firefox
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  • Here is the deal with me. I am very new to politics and I admit i don't know a whole hell of a lot but I am learning. And so far what I have learned is that I don't agree with the left AT ALL. Maybe a few things like gay marriage and abortion but not much else. So because I am learning I look into political situations as much as possible to understand what is happening in our country. I am sure the dem's can find just as much info on the net then I can saying BS about the republicans but that is not my interest.
    One of the reasons I like Bill O'Reilly is b/c he tells it like it is. Of course you lefters don't like him, he calls you out everytime and exposes you for who you really are.
    And some of you might think that since I don't know as much as you when it comes to politics that I should not post here? Please... I will post what I think is something that people should see. Its not ment for you lefters to like it. Its to show others what your party is about....bullshit.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5906125&postcount=30

    Look AG, it's great that you've finally decided to show some interest in politics. But I really think you need to sit back and really educate yourself before jumping into the deep end. Otherwise you come off as a bandwagon jumper who's local sports team is the underdog in X sport's finals. Oh sure you don't know any of the rules of the game because you just started watching during the semi-finals, but damn it, you know "your" team is better than than the other guys. Why is that? Well because the other team sucks. Okay, great.

    Now I'm not saying that you should participate in intelligent debates here, but maybe it's time to recognise that setting yourself up with piss-poor threads like this makes you look like a clown.
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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    So i think I got the argument I do not like how Ayers was associated with Obama and the argument is the bombings happen 40 years ago so who cares?
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I'm not voting for him because I disagree with more of his policies/idealogies/platform than I do McCain. I also think he's not experienced enough and really can't believe he's gotten this far to be the nominee.

    I'm not voting for him OR McCain due to them both supporting the bailout bill. I also think McCain's plan on mortgages is a travesty.

    I may vote Libertarian, but I do not agree with their pro-abortion stance.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    My reasons for not voting for Obama are not based on ridiculous assumptions of who he associated with. McCain has his own scary past on unsavory associations so in that aspect they sort of cancel each other out. My reasons are based on the issues.

    1. Taxation – Any candidate who believes that we should raise taxes is immediately disqualified in my opinion. I don't care that it is only the top 5%. The goal should be to drastically reduce spending so that we can reduce taxation. Any other plan is just fiscally unsound.

    2. Government – Obama has never once expressed interest in the reduction of the size and scope of government. Our government operates outside it's constitutional mandated powers. By reducing the size and scope of the federal government we reduce the influence that corporations, special interest groups and lobbyists have on our government and let's be real these are the people the government caters to, not us.

    3. Foreign Policy – While I agree with Obama's stance on diplomacy, he still favors an interventionist foreign policy and has even supported the increase of aid to other nations. We need to focus on this country first. We can not continue to send billions of our tax dollars to help support other countries around the world. I agree that we should help out during humanitarian crisis but sending our money, for an example the $10 million we sent to Viktor Yushchenko to help support his bid during the Ukrainian elections, is unacceptable.

    3. Federal Reserve – Even though, in my opinion, Obama has a better grasp on the economy and our current crisis than McCain he still has not addressed the root causes. The Federal reserve continues to manipulate interest rates in order to stimulate our markets and economy. This only causes the appearance of growth since the markets and economy are not actually growing because there are more jobs or more service being provided or goods being produced. The Feds interest rate cuts after the dot com bubble burst and 9/11 greatly inflated our market and allowed for an excess of funds to flood the market. This led to banks and other lending institutions taking risks that where completely irresponsible.

    These are the three issues that I consider the most important. Other issues such as abortion or same sex marriage can be dealt with after we have repaired the foundation of this country.

    Lastly I would like to add that focusing on such faux issues such as the Keating 5, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright or Palin's witch doctor only serve to divert our attention from the real issues facing us today. Our politicians and their media cohorts have divided this country in a dangerous way. Every election we fight each other tooth and nail over the most mundane and insignificant of issue never once holding our candidates to their word or forcing them to address any real issues. In the end it doesn't matter if a Democrat or a Republican wins because we always lose. If we are to make America great again we need to take back the reigns of our country but we will never do that if we continue to widen the chasm of hyper-partisan politics.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    know1 wrote:
    I'm not voting for him because I disagree with more of his policies/idealogies/platform than I do McCain. I also think he's not experienced enough and really can't believe he's gotten this far to be the nominee.

    I'm not voting for him OR McCain due to them both supporting the bailout bill. I also think McCain's plan on mortgages is a travesty.

    I may vote Libertarian, but I do not agree with their pro-abortion stance.

    Libertarians are not pro-abortion. They feel that abortion is an issue best handled on the state level not on a federal level.
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  • every dollar printed = instant debt...

    monkey on your back

    go Fed!
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  • mammasan wrote:
    Lastly I would like to add that focusing on such faux issues such as the Keating 5, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright or Palin's witch doctor only serve to divert our attention from the real issues facing us today. Our politicians and their media cohorts have divided this country in a dangerous way. Every election we fight each other tooth and nail over the most mundane and insignificant of issue never once holding our candidates to their word or forcing them to address any real issues. In the end it doesn't matter if a Democrat or a Republican wins because we always lose. If we are to make America great again we need to take back the reigns of our country but we will never do that if we continue to widen the chasm of hyper-partisan politics.

    Well, that about sums it up. It amazes me that so many can't see that this is the REAL problem.
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  • mammasan wrote:

    Lastly I would like to add that focusing on such faux issues such as the Keating 5, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright or Palin's witch doctor only serve to divert our attention from the real issues facing us today. Our politicians and their media cohorts have divided this country in a dangerous way. Every election we fight each other tooth and nail over the most mundane and insignificant of issue never once holding our candidates to their word or forcing them to address any real issues. In the end it doesn't matter if a Democrat or a Republican wins because we always lose. If we are to make America great again we need to take back the reigns of our country but we will never do that if we continue to widen the chasm of hyper-partisan politics.

    How's that saying go?

    DIVIDE AND CONQUER...

    a people united on the other hand...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    Well, that about sums it up. It amazes me that so many can't see that this is the REAL problem.

    That's the problem when people exclusivley follow the election through CNN, Fox News, or listen to Hannity, Oberman, O'Reily and Limbaugh.

    The media filter whether it's Liberal or Conservative will always focus on either destroying the charactor of their opponent or building the charactor of their chosen candidate. Issues are not "Red Meat" especially when it comes to ratings and sadly we get stuck hearing all the tabloid bullshit rather than what both men actually stand for.

    It amazes me how so little of the voting population has actually educated themselves on the issues or even visited either candidates website to view the actual platforms.

    Seriously...do the math...Go on both Obama's website and McCains today and look at the Hits. Add up the total hits of both candidates and you'll get a number close to 1.5-2 Million COMBINED!!!

    1.5-2 MILLION PEOPLE? THAT'S IT?

    Add Ron Paul's website and Nader's website to this total for shit's and giggles and you want come anywhere close to the actual number of registered voters in the United States.

    It's scary when you really stop and think how little people have actually looked into this issue and how a large majority of the voting public is getting their influence filtered through either the Liberal or Conservative media.

    Is is lazyness?
    Is it Apathy?
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    That's the problem when people exclusivley follow the election through CNN, Fox News, or listen to Hannity, Oberman, and Limbaugh.

    The media filter whether it's Liberal or Conservative will always focus on either destroying the charactor of their opponent or building the charactor of their chosen candidate. Issues are not "Red Meat" especially when it comes to ratings and sadly we get stuck hearing all the tabloid bullshit rather than what both men actually stand for.

    It amazes me how so little of the voting population has actually educated themselves on the issues or even visited either candidates website to view the actual platforms.

    Seriously...do the math...Go on both Obama's website and McCains today and look at the Hits. Add up the total hits of both candidates and you'll get a number close to 1.5-2 Million COMBINED!!!

    1.5-2 MILLION PEOPLE? THAT'S IT?

    It's scary when you really stop and think how little people have actually looked into this issue and how a large majority of the voting public is getting their influence filtered through either the Liberal or Conservative media.

    Is is lazyness?
    Is it Apathy?

    I have always stated that the majority of the American electorate is either too lazy, too apathetic or too stupid.
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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    - He has strong alliances with Rev. Wright, William Ayers, Lewis Faracan etc... Maybe not friends but alliances and the saying goes "if you stand near the sewer, your gonna smell like shit".
    - He is strongly involved with ACORN. They decided to sue City Bank because they would not give subprime loans to the minorities. So City Bank had to settle out of court. Guess who's name is on the file?? Thats right. Now look where the market is because of these guys.
    - There are many more but I gotta run. I will post more later.
    Hell, look into it yourself also please.
    If this guy gets elected our nation is finished.
    Firstly, the "oh noes, he has connections to William Ayers, that must mean he likes bombings" would be more viable as criticism if the other candidate wasn't a career soldier.

    Secondly, learn to spell Louis Farrakhan before you criticise anyone for their connections to him. No offence but it would be easy for us to jump to the conclusion that you aren't particularly well-read on the subject.
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Speakers wrote:
    Reasons NOT to vote for McCain:

    -He is old
    -There are a million more but I gotta run, sorry guys!

    Ha! Lol
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  • Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Is is lazyness?
    Is it Apathy?


    I think its both of those. I also thing its a very short attention span with most of our society. Its much easier to get them to pay attention to these insignificant details that are like watching a reality show on tv or something. Its very disturbing to me. Just not much hope for the future of our country.
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    - He has strong alliances

    strong alliances? I guess we'd have to argue what you consider "strong" and "alliances". oh well...
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,338
    mammasan wrote:
    My reasons for not voting for Obama are not based on ridiculous assumptions of who he associated with. McCain has his own scary past on unsavory associations so in that aspect they sort of cancel each other out. My reasons are based on the issues.

    1. Taxation – Any candidate who believes that we should raise taxes is immediately disqualified in my opinion. I don't care that it is only the top 5%. The goal should be to drastically reduce spending so that we can reduce taxation. Any other plan is just fiscally unsound.

    2. Government – Obama has never once expressed interest in the reduction of the size and scope of government. Our government operates outside it's constitutional mandated powers. By reducing the size and scope of the federal government we reduce the influence that corporations, special interest groups and lobbyists have on our government and let's be real these are the people the government caters to, not us.

    3. Foreign Policy – While I agree with Obama's stance on diplomacy, he still favors an interventionist foreign policy and has even supported the increase of aid to other nations. We need to focus on this country first. We can not continue to send billions of our tax dollars to help support other countries around the world. I agree that we should help out during humanitarian crisis but sending our money, for an example the $10 million we sent to Viktor Yushchenko to help support his bid during the Ukrainian elections, is unacceptable.

    3. Federal Reserve – Even though, in my opinion, Obama has a better grasp on the economy and our current crisis than McCain he still has not addressed the root causes. The Federal reserve continues to manipulate interest rates in order to stimulate our markets and economy. This only causes the appearance of growth since the markets and economy are not actually growing because there are more jobs or more service being provided or goods being produced. The Feds interest rate cuts after the dot com bubble burst and 9/11 greatly inflated our market and allowed for an excess of funds to flood the market. This led to banks and other lending institutions taking risks that where completely irresponsible.

    These are the three issues that I consider the most important. Other issues such as abortion or same sex marriage can be dealt with after we have repaired the foundation of this country.

    Lastly I would like to add that focusing on such faux issues such as the Keating 5, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright or Palin's witch doctor only serve to divert our attention from the real issues facing us today. Our politicians and their media cohorts have divided this country in a dangerous way. Every election we fight each other tooth and nail over the most mundane and insignificant of issue never once holding our candidates to their word or forcing them to address any real issues. In the end it doesn't matter if a Democrat or a Republican wins because we always lose. If we are to make America great again we need to take back the reigns of our country but we will never do that if we continue to widen the chasm of hyper-partisan politics.
    best post in this shit thread
  • fugawzi wrote:
    Did anyone see the SNL Weekend update Thursday edition? They had a skit that was a parody of the last debate. At one point McCain was asked a question and he responded "My friends..." and Tom Brokaw says "Time's up". It was hilarious. You had to be there.

    That whole sketch was hilarious. In fact, the whole show was pretty funny.

    I laughed so hard whenever McCain would wander in front of the camera, lol.
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