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I really wish their was a strong third party.

acoustic guyacoustic guy Posts: 3,770
edited October 2008 in A Moving Train
Their has to be a way to strengthen another party. In this day and age I think its possible but we need a whole hell of a lot of support.

That is all.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Their has to be a way to strengthen another party. In this day and age I think its possible but we need a whole hell of a lot of support.

    That is all.

    I'd like to start a 3rd Party/Movement called the Anti-Incumbent Party.

    The sole purpose would be to vote against every incumbent every time until they start paying attention to their constituents.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    as long as the electoral college exists there wont be a strong third party.
  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    well, there isn't. deal.
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Wishing is for dreamers...

    people with hopes and dreams are losers...

    lol...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Wishing is for dreamers...

    people with hopes and dreams are losers...

    lol...

    no, wishes are for kids with a tooth under their pillow. hopes and dreams can only come true IF YOU ACT ON THEM.

    which is why i am actively campaigning for obama. wtf are YOU doing?
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    sweetpotato wrote:
    no, wishes are for kids with a tooth under their pillow. hopes and dreams can only come true IF YOU ACT ON THEM.

    which is why i am actively campaigning for obama. wtf are YOU doing?

    It's my fault? Are you sure you're not a republican in denial?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    sweetpotato wrote:
    no, wishes are for kids with a tooth under their pillow. hopes and dreams can only come true IF YOU ACT ON THEM.

    which is why i am actively campaigning for obama. wtf are YOU doing?


    Oh God that brought tears to my eyes. Hopes...dreams....

    The uncontrollable laughter....

    People actually believe this??? hahahahahahaha
  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    unsung wrote:
    Oh God that brought tears to my eyes. Hopes...dreams....

    The uncontrollable laughter....

    People actually believe this??? hahahahahahaha

    hon, i was quoting your buddy roland. :rolleyes: try and follow along, 'kay?
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    It's our generations that have the choice to do it.

    I'm not sure that enough people care enough really.
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  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It's my fault? Are you sure you're not a republican in denial?


    so i'll take that as an, "I'm not doing anything to improve things but bitching and moaning on a rock band's message board." heckuva job, rollie.
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    I would like to see a strong 8th party.

    I think the biggest barrier is the lack of interest in non-presidential elections. I would vote 3rd if not for the "throwing away" factor. But for some other offices, a 3rd party vote may not be a throw away. I would think that a party that wants to be a white house player in, say 10 to 20 years, would want to be nationally organized -- with their eye on every state and key cities/counties, etc. A local focus. I don't think it would be too long before you'd have libertarians with at least 5 to 10 % in the US House, along with 5 to 10 (people, not %) greens. Senators would take a longer time as would president, but districts and localities--A smart campaign can go a long way.
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  • RiverrunnerRiverrunner Posts: 2,419
    It is tough for 3rd parties. I am running for a local office as an Independent. It was a headache just to get on the ballot. The rules are different and tougher for Independents in Illinois. Due to a challenge in Federal Court, Illinois was forced to ease up on Independents, so it was a little bit easier for me than it had been in the past.

    However, now that I am out campaigning I am realizing just how loyal people are to their own parties. I have not been loyal to a party since I became an adult and I guess I didn't realize how strong that loyalty is. I figured I was the long shot when I started, but now I feel that way even more after talking to folks. But who knows...... I guess I still stand a chance.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    sweetpotato wrote:
    so i'll take that as an, "I'm not doing anything to improve things but bitching and moaning on a rock band's message board." heckuva job, rollie.

    It's all about me...or is it about you?

    I can't tell...

    what do you do for a living besides doing the same thing you're accusing me of?

    lol...

    try not to let the ugly out all at once...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Their has to be a way to strengthen another party. In this day and age I think its possible but we need a whole hell of a lot of support.

    That is all.
    not just a strong 3rd party but a voting system that would even allow a 3rd party. In some european countries if a certain party gets a certain number of votes, they are rewarded with seats in the house. So if we did the same, you know about 50/50 dem republican, but those 5% or so that vote for nader would also have a couple seats in the house.

    Not having those 3rd party votes wasted just might see a huge jump in support for those third parties.
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    I would like to see a strong 8th party.

    I think the biggest barrier is the lack of interest in non-presidential elections. I would vote 3rd if not for the "throwing away" factor. But for some other offices, a 3rd party vote may not be a throw away. I would think that a party that wants to be a white house player in, say 10 to 20 years, would want to be nationally organized -- with their eye on every state and key cities/counties, etc. A local focus. I don't think it would be too long before you'd have libertarians with at least 5 to 10 % in the US House, along with 5 to 10 (people, not %) greens. Senators would take a longer time as would president, but districts and localities--A smart campaign can go a long way.

    Is the US government even set up for more than 2 parties? I mean in Canada our constitution has provisions for minority governmnets, but in the US with the was congress is set up the majority in each house has a ton of power (confirmations and appointments and all that stuff). But what if there was no majority? Who would confirm judges, who would appoint the speaker???
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    Is the US government even set up for more than 2 parties? I mean in Canada our constitution has provisions for minority governmnets, but in the US with the was congress is set up the majority in each house has a ton of power (confirmations and appointments and all that stuff). But what if there was no majority? Who would confirm judges, who would appoint the speaker???


    People would debate, actually have to read bills, and vote on them. Only truely worthy subject matter would pass.
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    People would debate, actually have to read bills, and vote on them. Only truely worthy subject matter would pass.


    That's not really what I was asking. If there were three major parties in the US who would be Senate Majority leader or who would be comittee chairmen if no party had a majority?
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    That's not really what I was asking. If there were three major parties in the US who would be Senate Majority leader or who would be comittee chairmen if no party had a majority?

    There would be a votes internally for leadership positions The framework would be different regarding seniority, whips etc. and likely little cliques would evolve.
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    It's our generations that have the choice to do it.

    I'm not sure that enough people care enough really.


    It's hard to care about cleaning up after previous generations when you've become disillusioned after seeing some of the choices they made that fucked you over before you had a chance to stand.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    It's hard to care about cleaning up after previous generations when you've become disillusioned after seeing some of the choices they made that fucked you over before you had a chance to stand.
    yes, lets pass that on to future generations.
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Commy wrote:
    yes, lets pass that on to future generations.



    I never said it was fair, or right. But it's not much different from what's been going on. And it's really not that hard to see a kid look around himself and think "What's the fucking point. Look at this mess."
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    It's hard to care about cleaning up after previous generations when you've become disillusioned after seeing some of the choices they made that fucked you over before you had a chance to stand.


    True, I just mean our generations are the ones who will or will not choose to vote for these "alternative" canidates rather than the status quo. I'm not convinced more than 10% of the population cares enough about politics to go that route.
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    True, I just mean our generations are the ones who will or will not choose to vote for these "alternative" canidates rather than the status quo. I'm not convinced more than 10% of the population cares enough about politics to go that route.



    I'm with you. If I had it my way, there would be no party titles at all, that way people would actually have to do research to find out where a candidate stands.
  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    Why? What would a third party do? First of all, it won't happen anytime soon, for the same reason it wouldn't make a difference. As a whole, the majority of American's don't know crap about what or who they are voting for. If we are remain ignorant, then 5 parties won't help us.

    The only thing that will help us is holding those in power accountable. If we can't hold them accountable, then adding more won't matter. We can't just accept that a third party would be ethically and morally responsible, and accountable to the people if WE don't change.
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    if voting could change the system it would be illegal.
  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It's all about me...or is it about you?

    I can't tell...

    what do you do for a living besides doing the same thing you're accusing me of?

    lol...

    try not to let the ugly out all at once...


    another gem from the prince of the non-answer. :rolleyes:
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    You could go a long way with ending the 1 man per district scheme that vastly favours the big parties. Start having, say, 10 men districts that would allow the 10% party to actually get one inside. The way you are set up now, it doesnt matter if you get 10% of the national vote, unless you get 51% in any single location. More men pr district would quickly bring you a libertarian or green congressman or two, since there now would be a point to vote for them.

    As for finding political solutions in divided congress, welcome to politics elsewhere in the world. They'd have to cooperate and compromise to get something that would stick, but which would also reflect the majority opinion(s) better. That might end the partisan my-way-or-the-highway-coz-I-have-52%-of-the-vote switching you go through now.

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  • dontloseyourheatdontloseyourheat Posts: 483
    People should vote third part to send a message.

    The majority of states are already decided so it's not like you would be "wasting" a vote or helping out another candidate.
    "Don't lose your inner heat...ever" - EV 5/13/06
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    The first step is having an educated and informed electorate, without this it doesn't matter how many political parties there are. I have been called snobbish and elitists for the comment I'm about to make, but I stand by it. The majority of Americans are either to lazy, apathetic or stupid to make an informed decision when it comes to voting. They either vote straight down party lines without knowing a single thing about the candidate or they get there information from 30 second commercials about the candidates .
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