Italian Prime Minister quits
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I don´t usually post here because I don´t write in english easily enough to reach the complexity of the "moving train" issues, but I normally read the threads here, as i´m a very political person...But this time I just wanted to share/read you opinion on the Prodi´s quitting...I live in Argentina but I am son of Italian and I feel very sad for what it looks like a victory for the most conservative-retrogadist european political factions....lets share views...thanks
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But just as long as Berlofuckinsconi stays well away, all might be okay
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So it looks like he's right back in.
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"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
As an adoptive Argentiean whose father is Italian I too follow closely Italia's politics. I mean they are even messier than our local "scene".
Yeah it is a shame for Il Professore (Prodi), but the problem was a much too broad coaltion, he was barely holding to power and some of two of his foreing affairs proposals (sending 2,000 additional peace troops to Afghanistan and expanding the Vicenza US air base) were too much for his more radical allies. However in this particular Congressional session the tricky issue was that two for-life senators voted "no" Prodi was counting on those two votes. The Casa delle Libertá coalition had already stated their vote...
I dislike Berlusconi quite a lot, so I hope Mr. Napolitano gives Prodi a second chance and he gets to form a new government, probably Massimo D'Alema will be gone...
Yes...I heard that too....I guess that makes everything a bit more complex than a conservative vs. progresist thing...
Today I heard that Prodi will stay for another while.
I do not have an opinion about the whole development yet, but I also think that it is more complex then considering conservative vs. social politics.
And even so I do not have a fix opinion about it,
I believe to know that Italian will make it. I somehow put my hope for Europe in Italy. It is such a great country and somehow more and further developed than Germany for example.
In Italy the political process and the values of people seem pure and innocent on one hand, but very consequent but still open minded on the other hand - a state that is only to be found in Italy and maybe the Netherlands...
So whatever happens in Italy I hope for and somehow trust in the good way that only Italy and maybe Holland are able to go anymore, those days so to say.
... so go italy, go.
and give proof that you are the real champion
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
Exactly, and that was exactly the goal of it all.
It wasn't the "radical left", nor the Vicenza people, to drive Prodi to collapse, but the negative vote from two right-centre senators, Andreotti and Pininfarina, against D'Alema foreign agenda. And actually it wasn't even the fault of those senators, but D'Alema himself, since before addressing the Senate he stated that "if the Senate wouldn't vote this agenda, the government should quit". The quitting wasn't necessary, but since D'Alema posed this condition, it became necessary to quit.
The problem now is another. it is exactly what you said, because Prodi's neoliberal agenda will be pushed without any democratic debate inside the coalition, and the millions people who voted for Rifondazione Comunista, Greens and PDCI, hoping in better politics for workers right, environment and social rights are now without representation, the agenda purposed by Prodi's Unione during the campaign and for which millions of people voted is now just an useless piece of paper, and the Left in this country is mainly dead. Now we are in front of a very serious democratic problem, most of people on the left are mad and disappointed and not going to vote for this left anymore, and Berlusconi's victory next time is just A CERTAINTY. My suspect is that all this government crisis was exactly planned to definitively silence the left and push Prodi's government to the centre. Now, to me there is no difference among prodi's and berlusconi's agenda, and I just don't see why I should fear Berlusconi anymore. I fear the fact that we don't have a Left party anymore, that the Pope is ruling this country, and that all the main problems in this country won't be solved for long time.
Eva, thanks so much for your insight and for sharing...
I guess I need to take back my words cause now there is an opinion forming and the result worries me...
Nevertheless, if Italy loose its political characteristics and its strength, and if Berlusconi is likely to win the next election, I am not sure where the rest of us, Europe, is going to...
... :(
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
My English isn't perfect, but i'll try to explain what i think.
The greatest matter isn't how the Parliament is divided, but directly the politicians.
It is too long that same people sit in Parliament. They change party and coalition according to the needs of that specific period.
My feeling is that those people don't mind at all of Italians needs; they always make fun of us.
We need a total revolution of ideas and people, but i know also that this is an utopia..
That makes me get angrier and angrier. Because of this, sure i won't vote..
the in between is mine...
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In Italy they form these coalitions and three (tiny party inside the coalition) of the members of the coalition got in some type of trouble and tried to seek the support of the coalition to which the coalition said no. And so this party did a "you don't support us, we don't vote for you" kinda thing. And that's how the government got dissolved.
Again I'm not sure that this is exactly what happened, but this is my understanding.
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