is it black people helping to keep racism alive and well

somebodyelsessky2020

First off i know real racism exists. but it just seems every little thing no matter how trivial can set off a racial issue with blacks. I know this probably happened but i have never heard of any white people accusing a black person of racism against whites. I have however heard hundreds of stories of white on black. It just seems like the race card is the first thing to pop out of the deck on almost any issue when there are differences of opinion. Whites just seem to keep bowing and agreeing with everything. when rodney king got beaten by police and verdicts were not to their liking they rioted in the streets. pummelled an innocent truck driver like barbarians with bricks and destroyed cities. Is that a good reaction to a problem? no but it sure did scare the white folks into changing things up real quick. I believe till this day that is the reason OJ wasn't found guilty. They were afraid of another riot. A few years ago where i live a skinny 7th grade white kid was beaten by 6 black kids on his way home from school and died from it. not once was it ever even brought up that he was beaten because he was white. it didn't become a national story embedded by non stop coverage into all our brains forever. instead it was forgotten. hell if you bring it up to half the people in my town today not many can even remember it happening. Now switch the story around to 6 white kids beat and kill a 7th grade skinny black kid on his way home from school and fucking al sharpton appears from a puff of smoke like a genie. I do have respect for black people for standing up for themselves and their rights but every issue does not have to be a race issue.

Ahnimus

The fucking ignorance astounds me sometimes

The author of the following article (UK journalist) makes the case that all white people on some level are racist given that they absorb incorrect messages from society that they are superior to black and non white people:




“White people need to accept that, no matter how many anti-racist demos they’ve marched on, they inevitably make assumptions, however subconscious, which are influenced by a racist society and which help to form their views and opinions. To refute this is to be in complete denial…”


He goes on to argue that only by acknowledging this, can white people become truly non racist:




“The acknowledgement of personal racism is simply a prerequisite before anyone can begin to eradicate its pernicious effects.”


Additionally he argues that black people cannot be racist since:

“…racism is a combination of prejudice and power…”

In other words, prejudice alone is not the same as racism…to be racist you need to have the power to put your prejudices into practice - black people can’t act on their prejudices in a white dominated society - hence his argument that blacks can’t be racists. He sums up the situation very well when he states:

“As a black man, I admit I am bound to suffer from prejudices of my own. I cannot be racist, however, because in the global order I do not belong to the dominant group. If I were to mistreat a white person, no matter how low in social status, the weight of this country’s white power structure would come down against me.” (my emphasis - this crucial point is conveniently overlooked by those who subscribe to colorblind ideology)

ARTICLE: “OF COURSE ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST”AUTHOR: J. HARKER

When the head of the crown prosecution service said he believed almost all British people were racist, he was roundly condemned. It was a moment of political correctness gone mad, commentators said. But one thing no one seems to have paused to consider was the possibility that he was right. In fact, what about: all white people are racist…

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http://racialrealist.wordpress.com/2006/03/19/are-all-white-people-racist-can-black-people-be-racist/

mammasan

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

First off i know real racism exists. but it just seems every little thing no matter how trivial can set off a racial issue with blacks. I know this probably happened but i have never heard of any white people accusing a black person of racism against whites. I have however heard hundreds of stories of white on black. It just seems like the race card is the first thing to pop out of the deck on almost any issue when there are differences of opinion. Whites just seem to keep bowing and agreeing with everything. when rodney king got beaten by police and verdicts were not to their liking they rioted in the streets. pummelled an innocent truck driver like barbarians with bricks and destroyed cities. Is that a good reaction to a problem? no but it sure did scare the white folks into changing things up real quick. I believe till this day that is the reason OJ wasn't found guilty. They were afraid of another riot. A few years ago where i live a skinny 7th grade white kid was beaten by 6 black kids on his way home from school and died from it. not once was it ever even brought up that he was beaten because he was white. it didn't become a national story embedded by non stop coverage into all our brains forever. instead it was forgotten. hell if you bring it up to half the people in my town today not many can even remember it happening. Now switch the story around to 6 white kids beat and kill a 7th grade skinny black kid on his way home from school and fucking al sharpton appears from a puff of smoke like a genie. I do have respect for black people for standing up for themselves and their rights but every issue does not have to be a race issue.

I'm not black so I honestly don't know what it is like to be a black person in this day and age. I also don't know what it feels like knowing that less than 60 years ago people of my color where being treated as second class citizens. With this being said though I am a minority, hispanic, and I did grow up in a poor neighborhood and know what it is like and how hard you have to work to get out of that environment. The problem I see, and I will only speak about the latino community, is that there is a portion of the population who feels that they are entitled to things in life because they are minorities and because racism exists. They believe that they don't have to work as hard or even worse that they don't have to work at all to achieve or gain anything in life. It is harder growing up in poorer or simply poor neighborhoods. A good education is that much harder to get but it is not impossible. I did it and million of other latinos have done it and are doing it today, but some in our community feel that this is unfair (and it is) and since it is unfair it should simply be handed to them. My partents struggled to make ends meet while we where growing up but they instiled a hard work ethic in their children. They tought us that you had to work for every single damn thing in life because no one else was going to do it for you and that is what my brothers and I did. I was the first in my family to graduate college and all of my brothers and I are now doing better than my parents where at our age because we worked hard for it. Even my parents who came to this country from Cuba with shit have made a great life for themselves here. My father owns his own contracting business and my mother manages the accounts receivable department for the largest jewelry manufacter in the country, all because of hard work and I'm sure they had to work twice as hard to overcome a lot of obsticles.

It is that drive that is lacking in many people in the hispanic community. They refuse to do anything about their situation. they would rather live in poverty, waiting from government handout to government handout and complaining that white America is holding them down.

As I said before I'm not black so i can;t really speak for them but I can assume that this same disease of entitlement plagues their communities as it does the hispanic ones.

somebodyelsessky2020

i don't give a shit what that statement says it's bullshit. racism to me is hate and there is hate for whites in some black people so therefore they can be racist IMO. you can believe what you read in books or statements by scholars all you want and keep denying it.

Ahnimus

I just don't see racism. I've known a lot of white girls that just think hispanic men are the hottest thing. They wouldn't even date a white guy, and you know those black men are well endowed.

But that's besides the point, that's just an example of 20th century society. I just don't see the racism people talk about.

I don't think racism has anything to do with power, I think that is part of racism, but to say that all white men are racist and blacks cannot be racist, well that sounds an awful lot like racism to me.

Rushlimbo

Yes, black people love racism so they want to keep it alive and well. Whitey tries to destroy racism but the blacks just keep fanning the fire because they love racism.

somebodyelsessky2020

yes that is what i'm saying i think black people today may be more racist towards whites than whites are to them. i believe that the majority of educated whites have embraced and understand the black communities but the black communities haven't done the same.

mammasan

Ahnimus wrote:

I just don't see racism. I've known a lot of white girls that just think hispanic men are the hottest thing. They wouldn't even date a white guy, and you know those black men are well endowed.

But that's besides the point, that's just an example of 20th century society. I just don't see the racism people talk about.

I don't think racism has anything to do with power, I think that is part of racism, but to say that all white men are racist and blacks cannot be racist, well that sounds an awful lot like racism to me.

Well we are the hottest, but that's besides the point.

There is racism in the world and that will never change. I believe though that a lot of the poverty within the black and hispanic communities is because people within those communities do not do what is neccesary to get themselves out. It that feeling of entitlement that I discussed and as long as people feel that the world owes them something they will never be able to better themselves.

Rushlimbo

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

yes that is what i'm saying i think black people today may be more racist towards whites than whites are to them. i believe that the majority of educated whites have embraced and understand the black communities but the black communities haven't done the same.

This is a joke, right?

somebodyelsessky2020

Rushlimbo wrote:

This is a joke, right?

no i'm serious

Ahnimus

mammasan wrote:

Well we are the hottest, but that's besides the point.

There is racism in the world and that will never change. I believe though that a lot of the poverty within the black and hispanic communities is because people within those communities do not do what is neccesary to get themselves out. It that feeling of entitlement that I discussed and as long as people feel that the world owes them something they will never be able to better themselves.

I wholey agree with you. I live in a poor community and it appears to be mostly whites, blacks and some hispanics and natives. Come to think of it, mostly whites, a lot of them are crackheads and what not. The one commonality is that we are all poor, either because we are not motivated or because we foolishly spend our earnings.

Then again I live in Canada, and you know I'm right nextdoor to Detroit, but I can imagine society in Detroit being a lot different. On the other hand, I've chilled with some black men from Detroit and issues of race never came up.

somebodyelsessky2020

here's a scenario..ok this is my town i'm speaking of here only i'm sure the outcome would be different had this happened in another place but i have seen it happen here alot...here goes..i go to my local corner store and happen to get into an altercation with a black guy and it comes to blows. during the fight a crowd surrounds half black half white and i happen to start having an edge over the guy and appear to be winning.. i can guarantee you the other black guys watching would jump in and finish me off. complete black strangers to the guy would stop in cars driving by to come help beat my ass. why would they do this?

Ahnimus

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

here's a scenario..ok this is my town i'm speaking of here only i'm sure the outcome would be different had this happened in another place but i have seen it happen here alot...here goes..i go to my local corner store and happen to get into an altercation with a black guy and it comes to blows. during the fight a crowd surrounds half black half white and i happen to start having an edge over the guy and appear to be winning.. i can guarantee you the other black guys watching would jump in and finish me off. complete black strangers to the guy would stop in cars driving by to come help beat my ass. why would they do this?

O.J. Simpson

bootlegger10

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

First off i know real racism exists. but it just seems every little thing no matter how trivial can set off a racial issue with blacks. I know this probably happened but i have never heard of any white people accusing a black person of racism against whites. I have however heard hundreds of stories of white on black. It just seems like the race card is the first thing to pop out of the deck on almost any issue when there are differences of opinion. Whites just seem to keep bowing and agreeing with everything. when rodney king got beaten by police and verdicts were not to their liking they rioted in the streets. pummelled an innocent truck driver like barbarians with bricks and destroyed cities. Is that a good reaction to a problem? no but it sure did scare the white folks into changing things up real quick. I believe till this day that is the reason OJ wasn't found guilty. They were afraid of another riot. A few years ago where i live a skinny 7th grade white kid was beaten by 6 black kids on his way home from school and died from it. not once was it ever even brought up that he was beaten because he was white. it didn't become a national story embedded by non stop coverage into all our brains forever. instead it was forgotten. hell if you bring it up to half the people in my town today not many can even remember it happening. Now switch the story around to 6 white kids beat and kill a 7th grade skinny black kid on his way home from school and fucking al sharpton appears from a puff of smoke like a genie. I do have respect for black people for standing up for themselves and their rights but every issue does not have to be a race issue.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson (two former reverends turned hate-mongers) are all the proof and support you need for your statement. They have found themselves more and more unnecessary that they have to grasp at straws like Imus's comments to try to become relevant.

These two people turn a harmless joke (with no sincerety) into a reason for white america to become angry at the nonsense that ensues. What Sharpton and Jackson do only hurts their cause.

Rushlimbo

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

here's a scenario..ok this is my town i'm speaking of here only i'm sure the outcome would be different had this happened in another place but i have seen it happen here alot...here goes..i go to my local corner store and happen to get into an altercation with a black guy and it comes to blows. during the fight a crowd surrounds half black half white and i happen to start having an edge over the guy and appear to be winning.. i can guarantee you the other black guys watching would jump in and finish me off. complete black strangers to the guy would stop in cars driving by to come help beat my ass. why would they do this?

You've seen this happen alot? Maybe you should try going to a different store for your Wonderbread. Sometimes a mullet will set off rage in people so perhaps you should cut yours off. I've read scientific articles about the "mullet effect". Strange indeed.

http://www.mulletsgalore.com/

somebodyelsessky2020

Rushlimbo wrote:

You've seen this happen alot? Maybe you should try going to a different store for your Wonderbread. Sometimes a mullet will set off rage in people so perhaps you should cut yours off. I've read scientific articles about the "mullet effect". Strange indeed.

http://www.mulletsgalore.com/

yeah i've seen it alot never with me actually involved i'm a peaceful guy i've just observed it. not only with adults i've seen this happen with children too. i know i don't live in a bubble here. are you telling me nobody has ever seen this happen?

somebodyelsessky2020

i guess the point i actually was trying to get across is alot of race issues that didn't need to be turned into race issues become just that. and there is alot of unnecessary racial paranoia amongst black people in todays society. some of my best friends are black and i go through it with them as well. something simple as asking my one really good black friend if he wanted to go for pizza one day turned into this ridiculous nonsense. he tells me that black people can't go into that pizzeria..and i'm like what the fuck are you talking about half this city is black of course they do!! he's been like this on alot of things..once we got pulled over because he had no muffler and he's spewing thick black smoke clouding an entire strip of road and he accuses the officer of racism because he was black was the reason we got pulled over.. i tried to get him to shut up and realize dude you got a fucking mushroom cloud coming from your tail pipe and the car sounds like a harley but noooo he keeps going and gets himself all fired up and in more trouble. and i could never get him to admit he was wrong in any of these instances...and by the way that pizza place is now his favorite place for pizza. go figure huh!

AstroFan

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

i guess the point i actually was trying to get across is alot of race issues that didn't need to be turned into race issues become just that. and there is alot of unnecessary racial paranoia amongst black people in todays society. some of my best friends are black and i go through it with them as well. something simple as asking my one really good black friend if he wanted to go for pizza one day turned into this ridiculous nonsense. he tells me that black people can't go into that pizzeria..and i'm like what the fuck are you talking about half this city is black of course they do!! he's been like this on alot of things..once we got pulled over because he had no muffler and he's spewing thick black smoke clouding an entire strip of road and he accuses the officer of racism because he was black was the reason we got pulled over.. i tried to get him to shut up and realize dude you got a fucking mushroom cloud coming from your tail pipe and the car sounds like a harley but noooo he keeps going and gets himself all fired up and in more trouble. and i could never get him to admit he was wrong in any of these instances...and by the way that pizza place is now his favorite place for pizza. go figure huh!

A lot of it may just be people not wanting to take responsibility for their own situations. If something goes wrong, it's a lot easier to blame it on racism, sexism, ect. than to accept that sometimes you are just responsible for your own place in life.

I don't think this is limited to only blacks or women(or black women), but they have a built-in excuse that most people will buy because of past injustices.

hsewif

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

i guess the point i actually was trying to get across is alot of race issues that didn't need to be turned into race issues become just that. and there is alot of unnecessary racial paranoia amongst black people in todays society. some of my best friends are black and i go through it with them as well. something simple as asking my one really good black friend if he wanted to go for pizza one day turned into this ridiculous nonsense. he tells me that black people can't go into that pizzeria..and i'm like what the fuck are you talking about half this city is black of course they do!! he's been like this on alot of things..once we got pulled over because he had no muffler and he's spewing thick black smoke clouding an entire strip of road and he accuses the officer of racism because he was black was the reason we got pulled over.. i tried to get him to shut up and realize dude you got a fucking mushroom cloud coming from your tail pipe and the car sounds like a harley but noooo he keeps going and gets himself all fired up and in more trouble. and i could never get him to admit he was wrong in any of these instances...and by the way that pizza place is now his favorite place for pizza. go figure huh!

this Imus thing is/was a race issue. He thought he was being funny, (he's old), but it backfired in his face. My dad laughed his ass off but plenty of people were offended. If I was black, I would absolutely be offended.

There is paranoia on both sides and like the abortion issue, there isn't an easy solution. we can't blame a single side because both sides have valid points.

How would you feel if people crossed the street because they were afraid of you? Or...I know people that look at a black person in a BMW and immediately assume that they're a drug dealer or a pimp. That's just sooooooo wrong. I can't imagine being black and it saddens me that there is such a deep division between our cultures. (although I will admit that some black people have no sense of their own culture either.)

Ahnimus

hsewif wrote:

How would you feel if people crossed the street because they were afraid of you? Or...I know people that look at a black person in a BMW and immediately assume that they're a drug dealer or a pimp. That's just sooooooo wrong. I can't imagine being black and it saddens me that there is such a deep division between our cultures. (although I will admit that some black people have no sense of their own culture either.)

When I was a teenager I felt agism all around me. When I went into a convenience store I was followed and watched. Eventually I started ripping them off. I became the stereotype, partially because it's what was expected of me. Part of our solution is forgetting that black or white or hispanic people are a certain way, because they aren't.

Ahnimus

It's like a social trust thing to a degree.

If I go up to a black dude and say "Hey, you are racist"

He is going to hit me back with something like "Fuck you cracker ass bitch!"

But if I go to say "Hey man, what's kickin'?"

He be like "S'up dawg?!?"

Cosmo

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

First off i know real racism exists. but it just seems every little thing no matter how trivial can set off a racial issue with blacks. I know this probably happened but i have never heard of any white people accusing a black person of racism against whites. I have however heard hundreds of stories of white on black. It just seems like the race card is the first thing to pop out of the deck on almost any issue when there are differences of opinion. Whites just seem to keep bowing and agreeing with everything. when rodney king got beaten by police and verdicts were not to their liking they rioted in the streets. pummelled an innocent truck driver like barbarians with bricks and destroyed cities. Is that a good reaction to a problem? no but it sure did scare the white folks into changing things up real quick. I believe till this day that is the reason OJ wasn't found guilty. They were afraid of another riot. A few years ago where i live a skinny 7th grade white kid was beaten by 6 black kids on his way home from school and died from it. not once was it ever even brought up that he was beaten because he was white. it didn't become a national story embedded by non stop coverage into all our brains forever. instead it was forgotten. hell if you bring it up to half the people in my town today not many can even remember it happening. Now switch the story around to 6 white kids beat and kill a 7th grade skinny black kid on his way home from school and fucking al sharpton appears from a puff of smoke like a genie. I do have respect for black people for standing up for themselves and their rights but every issue does not have to be a race issue.

...
I have never been black in my life... I don't know what it's like to be black... nor do I ever pretend to know.

Ahnimus

Cosmo wrote:

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I have never been black in my life... I don't know what it's like to be black... nor do I ever pretend to know.

It's just like being white, but with a different skin tone.

Edit: And the possibility of sickle-cell anemia, which has the possible bonus of an immunity to malaria, or the possible downside of dying from it.

hsewif

Ahnimus wrote:

It's just like being white, but with a different skin tone.

Edit: And the possibility of sickle-cell anemia, which has the possible bonus of an immunity to malaria, or the possible downside of dying from it.

do you really think that?

that being black is the same thing as being white?

Ahnimus

hsewif wrote:

do you really think that?

that being black is the same thing as being white?

Absolutely

somebodyelsessky2020

hsewif wrote:

do you really think that?

that being black is the same thing as being white?

yes of course you'd have to be a racist to think otherwise

Ahnimus

I thought Michael Jackson proved that it doesn't matter what color you are. He proved you can be a complete freak and people will still buy your CDs.

hsewif

Ahnimus wrote:

When I was a teenager I felt agism all around me. When I went into a convenience store I was followed and watched. Eventually I started ripping them off. I became the stereotype, partially because it's what was expected of me. Part of our solution is forgetting that black or white or hispanic people are a certain way, because they aren't.

I feel sorry for you... that's pretty lame. you should have taken pride in proving them wrong.

"my girlfriend accuses me of cheating so I'm going to cheat on her." "they think I'm stealing stuff so I'm going to steal stuff".

lame.

Ahnimus

If you get down to semantics, yes there are some biological differences. A person so trained can tell the difference between the brain of a man of european descent and the brain of a man of african descent, but essentially they do the same things. All the difference is in perception.

Purple Hawk

no, it is not black people that are keeping racism alive...it's liberals. They need us divided to exist.

Ahnimus

hsewif wrote:

I feel sorry for you... that's pretty lame. you should have taken pride in proving them wrong.

"my girlfriend accuses me of cheating so I'm going to cheat on her." "they think I'm stealing stuff so I'm going to steal stuff".

lame.

Yea, I tried that. I went into a store one day to buy some Mtg cards and the lady gave me back all my money plus the change. I informed her of her mistake and she took it back gladly and gave me the right change. A few days later I was accused of stealing from the same store. That was around the time I gave up.