kim family-how to survive

RavennaSeattle1911

what would you do? why do people even travel in snow?

i hate the holidays and people expecting me to travel by planes boats and trains to see them

not for me

why didnt he stay on the road ? the road is where help would be more likely

techno america just doesnt know the basics of survival in woods

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Kim#Snowbound_with_family

RavennaSeattle1911

i wonder what the swiss are taught?i bet theyre educated

in usa were glued to american idol

know1

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

what would you do? why do people even travel in snow?

i hate the holidays and people expecting me to travel by planes boats and trains to see them

not for me

why didnt he stay on the road ? the road is where help would be more likely

techno america just doesnt know the basics of survival in woods

Once I took the first wrong turn...or at least the second...I'd have turned back around.

hippiemom

You know, it's customary to post a story or a link along with your rant so that the rest of us have some idea what you're on about.

jeffbr

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

why didnt he stay on the road ? the road is where help would be more likely

There is speculation that there were bear in the area, and tracks were seen ahead of his tracks. Because of bear it is possible that he left the road and headed down the canyon hoping to get to the Rogue River.

FinsburyParkCarrots

know1 wrote:

Once I took the first wrong turn...or at least the second...I'd have turned back around.

I would, too, if weather and driving conditions/visibility permitted. I'm wondering whether the fact that they were driving out to the Oregon coast, long after dusk, in a sudden snowfall, just disorientated them. It might not have been easy to turn around, at all, and poor night vision would just be made worse, if the sky and the ground looked like one big splurge.

I know we can say, in hindsight, the family shouldn't have been taking that journey after dark, but perhaps they genuinely hadn't foreseen the sudden change in the weather? That's all I can think of, to explain why the travelled when they did.

It's very sad, and if there's anything to learn from this, it's: try to avoid long, night car journeys with your family, if you can help it.

The Illinoisemakers

This is just another sad case of a family that had no business being where they were, especially with young children. It is sad that he passed away, but at least his wife and kids made it.

The Illinoisemakers

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

I would, too, if weather and driving conditions/visibility permitted. I'm wondering whether the fact that they were driving out to the Oregon coast, long after dusk, in a sudden snowfall, just disorientated them. It might not have been easy to turn around, at all, and poor night vision would just be made worse, when the sky and the ground look like one big splurge.

I know we can say, in hindsight, the family shouldn't have been taking that journey after dark, but perhaps they genuinely hadn't foreseen the sudden change in the weather? That's all I can think of, to explain why the travelled when they did.

It's very sad, and if there's anything to learn from this, it's: try to avoid long, night car journeys with your family, if you can help it.

I live in the relative same area, and almost everyone know bad weather was coming.

FinsburyParkCarrots

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

I live in the relative same area, and almost everyone know bad weather was coming.

Okay. Then it looks like a case of someone making a catastrophically bad judgement. Still sad, though.

norm

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

This is just another sad case of a family that had no business being where they were,

WTF?!? They got lost. We're not all perfect like you.

The Illinoisemakers

cutback wrote:

WTF?!? They got lost. We're not all perfect like you.

Yes, I was implying that I was perfect. I'm glad you picked that up. They should have never been driving on those roads at night with bad weather in the area, especially with little kids. It is tragic that it happened, and I was relieved to hear that the wife and kids made it.

The Illinoisemakers

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Okay. Then it looks like a case of someone making a catastrophically bad judgement. Still sad, though.

I absolutely agree. I hope that people can learn from this. Because in that area, and in the cascades it's not totally unusual for people to misjudge the weather or not be familiar with where they are, and get stuck in there car for weeks at a time. I can think of two other examples of that happening in the Western Washington/Oregon area in the past month or so.

FinsburyParkCarrots

I've been thinking, though. Snow was much heavier in Washington State, up Bellingham way, than in Seattle, or down towards the state of Oregon: there wasn't this uniformity of severe bad weather, around the Pacific Northwest. And the family were travelling along the I-5, right? (Did I get the right road name?) Out towards the Oregon coast? Maybe they thought they were heading out, away from traffic, and that, by travelling at night, they were therefore avoiding any daytime traffic buildup? That would make sense, albeit it would be a gamble.


Who knows? Somehow I feel immense sympathy for this family, because I know a family, up Bellingham, who lost power in their house and had to make it over to their parents. In adverse weather conditions, anyone can get caught. Hey, even Scott of the Antarctic!

know1

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

I would, too, if weather and driving conditions/visibility permitted. I'm wondering whether the fact that they were driving out to the Oregon coast, long after dusk, in a sudden snowfall, just disorientated them. It might not have been easy to turn around, at all, and poor night vision would just be made worse, if the sky and the ground looked like one big splurge.

I know we can say, in hindsight, the family shouldn't have been taking that journey after dark, but perhaps they genuinely hadn't foreseen the sudden change in the weather? That's all I can think of, to explain why the travelled when they did.

It's very sad, and if there's anything to learn from this, it's: try to avoid long, night car journeys with your family, if you can help it.

It may have been very difficult to turn around on those roads in the snow.

darkcrow

his death is a huge loss to the tech jounalism community. i suggest everyone goes to http://www.cnet.com and watch the memorial the staff have created in memory of him. when the story first broke i too was really surprised.. i was thinking "how can they get lost? they must have gps, they must have a mobile phone.." it is so sad. i really feel for his wife and the two children who will never get to know their father.

old and in the way

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

I absolutely agree. I hope that people can learn from this. Because in that area, and in the cascades it's not totally unusual for people to misjudge the weather or not be familiar with where they are, and get stuck in there car for weeks at a time. I can think of two other examples of that happening in the Western Washington/Oregon area in the past month or so.

So true here, I do volunteer search and rescue work in Wash State. It is really amazing the amount of effort that goes into these searches. The one guy stuck in his car for two weeks lived because he stayed with his car. After being rescued he was traveling down to Oregon because he thought he could help with the Kim search "he knew what Kim was going through". He arrived at the search area just as the body was discovered. Kim died because he left his shelter (the car). The family was saved because they stayed with their shelter. Its the old rule of three's, 3 minutes without air, three hours without shelter, three days without water, three weeks without food=imminent death. Very tragic situation, so sad. I was involved in a search a few weeks ago when a snowshoer left her party and tried to solo out. She went many miles the wrong direction and was lucky to be spotted by a helo. She barely made it, she was just about to give up when found. We all knew it was getting very critical and the tension in the command truck and anguish in the faces of the search leaders when their hunches wern't panning out was incredible. Everyone traveling in winter conditions just needs to be prepared to be stranded for any number of reasons.

RavennaSeattle1911

yes he should have stayed in car i think-they were in a clearing

but the car, the age of the auto, made us all feel indepentant and needing no one

even indians or anyone in tribes lappland or siberia would travel in packs i think-you just cant survive alone-i hate traveling in winter and refuse to do it anymore unless i move to az or au or newmexico ,even there who knows

RavennaSeattle1911

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

I've been thinking, though. Snow was much heavier in Washington State, up Bellingham way, than in Seattle, or down towards the state of Oregon: there wasn't this uniformity of severe bad weather, around the Pacific Northwest. And the family were travelling along the I-5, right? (Did I get the right road name?) Out towards the Oregon coast? Maybe they thought they were heading out, away from traffic, and that, by travelling at night, they were therefore avoiding any daytime traffic buildup? That would make sense, albeit it would be a gamble.


Who knows? Somehow I feel immense sympathy for this family, because I know a family, up Bellingham, who lost power in their house and had to make it over to their parents. In adverse weather conditions, anyone can get caught. Hey, even Scott of the Antarctic!

im in bellingham -it just sucked -dangerous ice to slip on -maybe the worst winter of my life -its usually milder-i think it will be a hot summer 99 f i bet

RavennaSeattle1911

king5.com or tv had a story about findley? who was lost on same road 11 years ago and was stranded for 66 days and starved to death

sounds like fun

i never knew oregon could be so dangerous

trappedinmyradio

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Yes, I was implying that I was perfect. I'm glad you picked that up. They should have never been driving on those roads at night with bad weather in the area, especially with little kids. It is tragic that it happened, and I was relieved to hear that the wife and kids made it.

wouldn't you have been drunk with some sorority "girls" in the car...having a "crushing beer cans on your forehead" contest? you wouldn't have taken a wrong turn.

RavennaSeattle1911

now theres others lost on mt hood i think

The Illinoisemakers

trappedinmyradio wrote:

wouldn't you have been drunk with some sorority "girls" in the car...having a "crushing beer cans on your forehead" contest? you wouldn't have taken a wrong turn.

Wow, thanks for reminding me of that comment. I had a nice laugh. No I wouldn't have been crazy enough to drive in those conditions while having a "crushing beer cans on your forehead contest." Those contests are for mild weather situations, and are best observed with all cars in park, and if possible indoors.

Can I ask why you have "girls" that way? I'm not sure I understand what that's suppose to imply.