tell congress No Independence For Kosovo

RavennaSeattle1911RavennaSeattle1911 Posts: 478
edited February 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/905791187?ltl=1170750467

No Independence For Kosovo

VOTE NO ON HOUSE RESOLUTION 36

We, the signatories of this petition urge members of Congress to vote no on House Resolution 36. We do not support the United States position that Kosovo-Metohija, 15% of Serbia's territory should be taken away from her to appease Muslim insurgents who support Al-Qaeda and a thriving criminal element that imports illegal drugs and which also engages in human trafficking.

CONSEQUENCES
Such a position will most definitely contribute to instability in the area and in those regions in Europe and Asia that are watching the Kosovo debate very closely. To continue to flagrantly disregard International Law which provides for the respect of the sovereignty of nations and for the right of such nations to non-interference in internal affairs will usher in an era of unprecedented lawlessness between nations states. Therefore, we urge you to respect the constitution of Serbia which the people of Serbia recently approved and which reflects the will of those who voted for it: that Kosovo-Metohija is an integral part of Serbia.

HISTORY
We urge you to be mindful of the historical integrity of the Balkan region and the legacy of Josef Tito. Tito encouraged, during and after WWII, state sanctioned oppression of the Serbian peoples. He sought to displace Serbians in 1944 and in 1974 in an effort to create an Greater Albania at the expense of the Serbian peoples. He encourage illegal land grabs, disenfranchising the native Serbian peoples from their homes and their livelihood. It is telling that one of Tito's first acts after becoming the President of Serbia was to execute the Allied Forces greatest supporter against the Nazi regime, Draza Mihailovich. We urge you not to continue Josef Tito's legacy of oppression against the Serbian people with House Resolution 36.

COMMIT TO A PRINCIPLED SOLUTION
We urge you to commit to supporting a principled solution to Kosovo which would be acceptable to both sides.

DO NOT RECOGNISE KOSOVO INDEPENDENCE
We urge you to respect the United States commitment to promoting peace in the world. We urge you, therefore to respect the United Nations Security Council votes on Kosovo-Metohija. We expect the United States to behave honourably in behalf of its citizens in this regard and to respect the legacy of both Theodore Roosevelt the first American to win the Nobel Peace prize for his efforts in the Portsmouth Treaty, and Eleanor Roosevelt one of the drafters of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The rights of the 100,000 remaining Serbian population is at stake. As a member of the United Nations, you have pledged to be a supporter of the rights of all humans not only of some. Any acts outside of this will mark the United States as a violator of human rights.

SUPPORT PRINCIPLED SOLUTION ONLY
Therefore, we urge you to support a principled solution that is aligned with International Law and aligned
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  • http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/905791187?ltl=1170750467

    No Independence For Kosovo

    VOTE NO ON HOUSE RESOLUTION 36

    We, the signatories of this petition urge members of Congress to vote no on House Resolution 36. We do not support the United States position that Kosovo-Metohija, 15% of Serbia's territory should be taken away from her to appease Muslim insurgents who support Al-Qaeda and a thriving criminal element that imports illegal drugs and which also engages in human trafficking.

    CONSEQUENCES
    Such a position will most definitely contribute to instability in the area and in those regions in Europe and Asia that are watching the Kosovo debate very closely. To continue to flagrantly disregard International Law which provides for the respect of the sovereignty of nations and for the right of such nations to non-interference in internal affairs will usher in an era of unprecedented lawlessness between nations states. Therefore, we urge you to respect the constitution of Serbia which the people of Serbia recently approved and which reflects the will of those who voted for it: that Kosovo-Metohija is an integral part of Serbia.

    HISTORY
    We urge you to be mindful of the historical integrity of the Balkan region and the legacy of Josef Tito. Tito encouraged, during and after WWII, state sanctioned oppression of the Serbian peoples. He sought to displace Serbians in 1944 and in 1974 in an effort to create an Greater Albania at the expense of the Serbian peoples. He encourage illegal land grabs, disenfranchising the native Serbian peoples from their homes and their livelihood. It is telling that one of Tito's first acts after becoming the President of Serbia was to execute the Allied Forces greatest supporter against the Nazi regime, Draza Mihailovich. We urge you not to continue Josef Tito's legacy of oppression against the Serbian people with House Resolution 36.

    COMMIT TO A PRINCIPLED SOLUTION
    We urge you to commit to supporting a principled solution to Kosovo which would be acceptable to both sides.

    DO NOT RECOGNISE KOSOVO INDEPENDENCE
    We urge you to respect the United States commitment to promoting peace in the world. We urge you, therefore to respect the United Nations Security Council votes on Kosovo-Metohija. We expect the United States to behave honourably in behalf of its citizens in this regard and to respect the legacy of both Theodore Roosevelt the first American to win the Nobel Peace prize for his efforts in the Portsmouth Treaty, and Eleanor Roosevelt one of the drafters of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The rights of the 100,000 remaining Serbian population is at stake. As a member of the United Nations, you have pledged to be a supporter of the rights of all humans not only of some. Any acts outside of this will mark the United States as a violator of human rights.

    SUPPORT PRINCIPLED SOLUTION ONLY
    Therefore, we urge you to support a principled solution that is aligned with International Law and aligned

    im not sure why this is any of our business anyways...
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Why? What is the original poster's reason for signing this petition?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    What business is it of mine or our Congress' if Kosovo gains independence.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Obi OnceObi Once Posts: 918
    know1 wrote:
    Why? What is the original poster's reason for signing this petition?
    It has the word muslim in it?

    Freedom for all right? There is nothing left of the Yugoslavia that we knew from school, all countries are separate now, they have different ethnicities, recently Montenegro also decided to split from Serbia. If they wish to be a sovereign state please let them.
    your light's reflected now
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    From what I have read azbout the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo is that there are large populations of Orthodox Christians and Jews as well. Even though the majority are Muslims there seems to be peace between the different religious groups. There probably is a small minority of ethnic Albanians who support terrorism but there is no evidence to prove that there are large portions of the population who support islamic fanaticism.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • ,000 imprisoned since 1918 and seeking a unification of Albanian-populated lands. The League of Nations did not respond, as the appeal was found unfounded. As a result, an armed Kachak resistance movement was formed whose main goal was to unite Albanian-populated areas of the Kingdom to Albania.

    In 1929 the Kingdom was transformed into the Kingdom of Yugoslavia which the Yugoslav nationality unifying all Kosovan Slavs. The territories of Kosovo were split among the Banate of Zeta, the Banate of Morava and the Banate of Vardar. The Kingdom lasted until the World War II Axis invasion of 1941.

    The greatest part of Kosovo became a part of Italian-controlled Fascist Albania, and smaller bits by the Nazi-Fascist Tsardom of Bulgaria and Nazi German-occupied Kingdom of Serbia. Since the Albanian Fascist political leadership had decided in the Conference of Bujan that Kosovo would remain a part of Albania they started an ethnic cleansing campaign of the non-Albanian population in the Kosovo.[citation needed] The infamous SS Division Skanderbeg committed crimes. [citation needed]. Tens of thousands of Serbs lost their lives and around 75,000 Serbs fled Kosovo during the war.[citation needed] Hundreds of thousands more would leave in the following decades, following the shift of power in Kosovo. [citation needed]

    Prior to the surrender of Fascist Italy in 1943,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo

    they like to say the serbs are the killers but ignore what albanians do

    the hog hauge does this with gusto -they murdered molosvic i bet in prison

    to hell with nato
  • ,000 imprisoned since 1918 and seeking a unification of Albanian-populated lands. The League of Nations did not respond, as the appeal was found unfounded. As a result, an armed Kachak resistance movement was formed whose main goal was to unite Albanian-populated areas of the Kingdom to Albania.

    In 1929 the Kingdom was transformed into the Kingdom of Yugoslavia which the Yugoslav nationality unifying all Kosovan Slavs. The territories of Kosovo were split among the Banate of Zeta, the Banate of Morava and the Banate of Vardar. The Kingdom lasted until the World War II Axis invasion of 1941.

    The greatest part of Kosovo became a part of Italian-controlled Fascist Albania, and smaller bits by the Nazi-Fascist Tsardom of Bulgaria and Nazi German-occupied Kingdom of Serbia. Since the Albanian Fascist political leadership had decided in the Conference of Bujan that Kosovo would remain a part of Albania they started an ethnic cleansing campaign of the non-Albanian population in the Kosovo.[citation needed] The infamous SS Division Skanderbeg committed crimes. [citation needed]. Tens of thousands of Serbs lost their lives and around 75,000 Serbs fled Kosovo during the war.[citation needed] Hundreds of thousands more would leave in the following decades, following the shift of power in Kosovo. [citation needed]

    Prior to the surrender of Fascist Italy in 1943,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo

    they like to say the serbs are the killers but ignore what albanians do

    the hog hauge does this with gusto -they murdered molosvic i bet in prison

    to hell with nato




    Ravenna, we just had this conversation. The hands of your Serbian buddies aren't exactly blood free either.

    And what's the problem with Kosovo independence? They've been having successful elections since 2000. Secular fighting is not really evident any more. The economy has risen, the occupation has thinned it's forces over a span of almost a decade. Local police and fire are ready to take control, it's time we leave and let those people vote on what they want to do with themselves.

    Are you going to bring this argument up when we get ready to leave Iraq?
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  • serbs did war crimes? and you ignore what albanians and croats did?

    you wanna bomb them too as nato bombed serbs?

    if they did do bad that doesnt mean bombing in the answer at least not civilian targets

    yes maybe there could have been atrocircies on all sides -why do you ignore the others atrocirites?

    what makes you think people stopped thinking about it since 1999 or 2000?

    i think tito imported the albanians possibly

    kosovo is an ancient serb area
  • Obi OnceObi Once Posts: 918
    serbs did war crimes? and you ignore what albanians and croats did?

    you wanna bomb them too as nato bombed serbs?

    if they did do bad that doesnt mean bombing in the answer at least not civilian targets

    yes maybe there could have been atrocircies on all sides -why do you ignore the others atrocirites?

    what makes you think people stopped thinking about it since 1999 or 2000?

    i think tito imported the albanians possibly

    kosovo is an ancient serb area
    and what do the people who actually live there think about it? if it is out of free choice, why drag the past in to this? and in that war all sides have blood on their hands and I think most people here don't blame one side more or less.
    your light's reflected now
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me what right we as Americans and our Congress has to determining if this country deserves independence or not. Shouldn't that be up to the inhabitants of Kosovo.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Yugoslavia got nasty, with many sides engaging in atrocities. But the serb contribution and impetus created by nationalist Milosevic should not be ignored. The serbs are very dirty in all this. They were the ones with the grandest "Greater Serbia" ideas. Kosovo started getting ugly too, with deportations and discrimination of the majority of albanians. If the atrocities there weren't as bad, it might be because they were thwarted early on.

    In any case, after all that has happened, I think the only sensible solution is for the people there to decide. And if the large majority are muslim albanians wanting independence, then so be it. Forcing them to return to Serb rule after a decade of de facto independence can get real nasty. Whether a territory has belonged under a nation for a long time, is no argument for them retaining it no matter what happens today or who lives there now. Under that "first right" principle, the US should be handed back to the remaining indians, Norway would be justified to invade Iceland, Greenland and parts of Sweden and it goes on.

    In such a complicated issue, I say let the people decide. Just as the people of Montenegro decided they wanted out.

    Besides from that that petition is a big pile of bullshit, and historical revisionism. I for one think that a Kosovo returned to Serb control will be more unstable than an independent one. But maybe the scare is having a *gulp* muslim state in Europe. As we know, muslim means Al Qaeda-supporting...

    (edit) and no, I'm not saying that there aren't albanians deserving of some blame as well, and that they dont have their own shady characters.

    Peace
    Dan
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  • That place is quite a mess. It is incorrect to say there are large populations of christians in Kosovo. Its a small minority. And Jews? You have to be kidding. The Serbs are attached to Kosovo for historical reasons. The largest battle between the Serbs and the Turks took place in Kosovo and it is hallowed ground for them. But that's it. Trying to tie Kosovo to muslim extremism is just propoganda. The place is like 95% muslim anyways.

    Yugoslavia was a mistake from the get go. Another map drawing fuck up by the European powers after World War 1. I do agree with Ravenna, having read quite a bit about, and travelling to Croatia, Bosnia, and Montenegro. Historically there has been barbarity on all sides in that region. The Croats have as much blood on their hands as the Serbs. The Serbs have been guilty more recently though.

    Read up on the Croat Ustase and you might get a better understanding of the Serbs.
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