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What is a neo-con?

_Crazy_Mary__Crazy_Mary_ Posts: 1,299
edited September 2006 in A Moving Train
What is a neo-con?
Is there any difference between a conservative and a neo-con?
Or is it just a name to get under their skin?
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    I had never even known of that word's existence until Klausen did those posters that each contain a letter from it. Anyway, I'm not sure what it means. I think it pertains specifically to the "criminal" actions of those who have a hand in what is going on in Iraq.
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Literally meaning "new conservative", you also get "neo liberals" or "neo libs" (most democrats fall under that one)
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    You can (for the most part) see the difference between a neo con and a regular conservative by the issues, support of the war, israel and such.

    Bush,chenney,Reagan,nixon would/do fall under neo conservatism.

    it's a bit more complex than what i'm making it out to be of course.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    its an illuminous criminal.... a thief with flashing bright lights attached to his head
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Larry ZisstansLarry Zisstans Posts: 167
    how about neotenic conspirator?

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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    A Neo-Conservative is the 'New Conservative', ultra-Right Wing movement that is now in place. The 'New World Order' was replaces by the 'Project For The New Amreican Century'... which has morphed again into another, 'Family Friendly' name, which I forget, but will try to remember.
    http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
    ...
    Check out the names of the undersigned... check the date... then, go through the website. Although, in light of today's current events, many of the pre-September 11, 2001 papers regarding Iraq are no longer posted.
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  • Jammin909Jammin909 Posts: 888
    They are lunatics who dont care about fiscal responsibility or small, hands off government.
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  • John BudgeJohn Budge Posts: 259
    A neo-con thinks we can bomb people into democracy. Which will lead to peace.
  • sonicreducersonicreducer Posts: 713
    i thought they believed in the matrix, or were just gay for mr. reeves,...
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    usually uneducated persons ignorant of the parallel movement of whats reality and what is said.

    neo-cons, neo-liberals
    the use of labels to get into power, meaning. they are neither liberals or conservatives, they don't want people to discover true identities until they are king.

    this tactic was used in medieval ages.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    these indivuduals are also the ones who did bad on fact and opinion tests in elementary schools.. you know the ones that seemed 'so obvious..why would they give us these tests..' well that is why they were given :)
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Check out this one... page 50 (page 62 by PDF format), Chapter V: Creating Tomorrow's Dominent Force
    In reaction to the G.H.W.Bush and Clinton policies of the 1990s military base closings, Paul Wolfowitz proposes methods to re-establish forward bases of operations so America's miltary power can be projected globally. This is where the infamous 'New Pearl Harbor' comment emerges.
    "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions."
    This report was written in September of 2000. This leads me to believe that this administration used the September 11, 2001 attacks to put their plan into motion. I do not believe they planned or executed the attacks (they are far too bumbling and inept and have too many leaks in their system to pull it off), but they used this event to create those forward bases... primarily, in Iraq.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Cosmo wrote:
    Check out this one... page 50 (page 62 by PDF format), Chapter V: Creating Tomorrow's Dominent Force
    In reaction to the G.H.W.Bush and Clinton policies of the 1990s military base closings, Paul Wolfowitz proposes methods to re-establish forward bases of operations so America's miltary power can be projected globally. This is where the infamous 'New Pearl Harbor' comment emerges.
    "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions."
    This report was written in September of 2000. This leads me to believe that this administration used the September 11, 2001 attacks to put their plan into motion. I do not believe they planned or executed the attacks (they are far too bumbling and inept and have too many leaks in their system to pull it off), but they used this event to create those forward bases... primarily, in Iraq.


    if it isn't true it mine as well be. In reference to the swift change of WMD hunt to Democracy spread.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    which again is a lie :) because Iraqi citizens voted on war among others.
  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    _Crazy_Mary_ wrote:
    What is a neo-con?
    http://www.expressobeans.com/images.php?art=32458 If you see one you'd better run.
  • _Crazy_Mary__Crazy_Mary_ Posts: 1,299
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative

    thank you! I know now what sums up a neo-con:

    Historically, neoconservatives supported a militant anticommunism, tolerated more social welfare spending than was sometimes acceptable to libertarians and mainstream conservatives, supported civil equality for blacks and other minorities, and sympathized with a non-traditional foreign policy agenda that was less deferential to traditional conceptions of diplomacy and international law and less inclined to compromise principles even if that meant unilateral action.

    Indeed, domestic policy does not define neoconservatism — it is a movement founded on, and perpetuated by an aggressive approach to foreign policy, free trade, opposition to communism during the Cold War, support for Israel and Taiwan and opposition to Middle Eastern and other states that are perceived to support terrorism. [citation needed]

    Believing that America should "export democracy," that is, spread its ideals of government, economics, and culture abroad, they grew to reject U.S. reliance on international organizations and treaties to accomplish these objectives. Compared to other U.S. conservatives, neoconservatives may be characterized by an idealist stance on foreign policy, a lesser social conservatism, and a much weaker dedication to a policy of minimal government, and, in the past, a greater acceptance of the welfare state, though none of these qualities are necessarily requisite.
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  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    In his 2005 book "Caught in the Crossfire" Lawrence Grossberg explains the differences between cons, neo-cons, libs, neolibs in quite an impressive fashion. I'd definitely suggest reading it.
  • DCGARDENDCGARDEN Posts: 515
    From what I've heard, the simplest definition of a Neo-Con is a person who believes that in any conflict, the Military option is the one that will ultimately settle any/all problems.
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    Most people have stated the obvious that neo-cons have aggressive foreign policy and are basically "war hawks"...

    I think the most important difference between a neo-con and an old-fashioned conservative is that neo-cons do not AT ALL support minimalistic government intervention. If you don't understand why this is important, read "1984" (Orwell) or "Brave New World" (Huxley) or "We" (Zamyatin).
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I understand the Neo-Conservative point of America as the leader in the new millenium... but, I think we'd be better served by leading by shining example, not from the barrel of a gun.
    I believe that this point in time will be pointed as the point where the United States first began to relinquish the Super Power reigns and global leadership role to China. We forfieted manufacturing and economic lead to China and we will get to the point where a war with China is certain death... dispite our nuclear capabilities.
    I have a feeling that future U.S. History courses will not be kind to George W. Bush.
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