waves of violence leaves morgues overwhelmed

The Waiting Trophy Man

Some Iraqi men, fearful of an anonymous burial, are tattooing their thighs with names and phone numbers to make it easy to identify their bodies. They do that because morgue employees have little time to spend on each body because so many show up every day. Quick burials leave wailing wives and mothers to look at photographs of bodies.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/12/baghdad.morgue.ap/index.html

jlew24asu

islamic sheiks need to step in and tell them to stop killing each other. Islam is suppose to be the religion of peace. these shieks, or religious leaders, have alot of influence, they should try to use it in a positive way.

trappedinmyradio

jlew24asu wrote:

islamic sheiks need to step in and tell them to stop killing each other. Islam is suppose to be the religion of peace. these shieks, or religious leaders, have alot of influence, they should try to use it in a positive way.

these people are the ones that fear they are being persecuted and fear that "democracy" (or whatever it is that the u.s. is trying to bring in the region) is attached to christianity. with bush II in office, it looks more and more like they are attached and that a functioning democracy must have, at its core, a thriving christian base. intelligent people know that is not the case. but, these men do not understand that that is not the case. they only see what they want to see or what they are told to see. like a lot of people here on each side of the fence - this war is just and bush is leading us to a better tomorrow vs. bush is an evil man with a grand scheme for world domination. they do not know that if they quit fighting that the u.s. will, probably, leave sooner. so, on they battle.

jlew24asu

trappedinmyradio wrote:

these people are the ones that fear they are being persecuted and fear that "democracy" (or whatever it is that the u.s. is trying to bring in the region) is attached to christianity. with bush II in office, it looks more and more like they are attached and that a functioning democracy must have, at its core, a thriving christian base. intelligent people know that is not the case. but, these men do not understand that that is not the case. they only see what they want to see or what they are told to see. like a lot of people here on each side of the fence - this war is just and bush is leading us to a better tomorrow vs. bush is an evil man with a grand scheme for world domination. they do not know that if they quit fighting that the u.s. will, probably, leave sooner. so, on they battle.

your right. thats why I wish one of these influencial people will wake up and realize that.

and even when the US leaves they will still be fighting and killing each other until they decide not to. for their own sake.

trappedinmyradio

jlew24asu wrote:

your right. thats why I wish one of these influencial people will wake up and realize that.

and even when the US leaves they will still be fighting and killing each other until they decide not to. for their own sake.

those intelligent people are the ones that started it...

jlew24asu

trappedinmyradio wrote:

those intelligent people are the ones that started it...

maybe now they can end it.

jlew24asu

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061113/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq


when will they stop killing each? anyone care to debate what can really stop this. I really think its up to religious leaders. people wont listen the the government becuase they dont trust them yet. what else can be done?

redrock

jlew24asu wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061113/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq


when will they stop killing each? anyone care to debate what can really stop this. I really think its up to religious leaders. people wont listen the the government becuase they dont trust them yet. what else can be done?

Partition Iraq between the Kurds, Sunni and Shi'ite. Let each group rule their own little country as they wish. They hate each other.. no peace will come to Iraq as it stands now....

jlew24asu

redrock wrote:

Partition Iraq between the Kurds, Sunni and Shi'ite. Let each group rule their own little country as they wish. They hate each other.. no peace will come to Iraq as it stands now....

I thought about this. can this be done? in theory it sounds good but...

who decides the borders?

Oil fields becomes a huge issue.

1 probably 2 partitions would be land locked.

redrock

Iraq is a 'fake' country. It was carved out of the ottoman empire in the 20's. The Kurds, Sunni and Shi'ite are nicely in groups in the country to start with. The only thing keeping the three groups under check was a dictator. Take that kind of power away and its a free for all. Of course doing something like this would still mean displacement, etc. There would also still probably be conflict ref borders... The best oild fields being in the North with the Kurds and the south (Basra way).

No solution is ideal, but I believe this to be the best. My opinion of course.

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061113/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq


when will they stop killing each? anyone care to debate what can really stop this. I really think its up to religious leaders. people wont listen the the government becuase they dont trust them yet. what else can be done?

I don't have an answer. The Americans won't want to leave without making sure they still have a piece of the pie. The oil pie. So, perhaps something along the lines of a broken up Yugoslavia. But the borders will still need policing. It's basically a fucking mess. The governments of Britain and America should have listened to their populations and not invaded in the first place.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

I don't have an answer. The Americans won't want to leave without making sure they still have a piece of the pie. The oil pie. So, perhaps something along the lines of a broken up Yugoslavia. But the borders will still need policing. It's basically a fucking mess. The governments of Britain and America should have listened to their populations and not invaded in the first place.

what exactly does that mean? "america wont leave until that have a piece of the oil pie"

thats great that america and britain didnt listen to their populations in the first place. how is that reasonable debate. lets deal with the facts. we are there, the country is fucked up, how can it be fixed?

my suggestion is have religious leaders call for peace and try to have the 3 groups sit down and try and unite.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

I don't have an answer. The Americans won't want to leave without making sure they still have a piece of the pie. The oil pie. So, perhaps something along the lines of a broken up Yugoslavia. But the borders will still need policing. It's basically a fucking mess. The governments of Britain and America should have listened to their populations and not invaded in the first place.

what exactly does that mean? "america wont leave until that have a piece of the oil pie"

thats great that america and britain didnt listen to their populations in the first place. how is that reasonable debate. lets deal with the facts. we are there, the country is fucked up, how can it be fixed?

my suggestion is have religious leaders call for peace and try to have the 3 groups sit down and try and unite.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

I don't have an answer. The Americans won't want to leave without making sure they still have a piece of the pie. The oil pie. So, perhaps something along the lines of a broken up Yugoslavia. But the borders will still need policing. It's basically a fucking mess. The governments of Britain and America should have listened to their populations and not invaded in the first place.

what exactly does that mean? "america wont leave until that have a piece of the oil pie"

thats great that america and britain didnt listen to their populations in the first place. how is that reasonable debate. lets deal with the facts. we are there, the country is fucked up, how can it be fixed?

my suggestion is have religious leaders call for peace and try to have the 3 groups sit down and try and unite.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

I don't have an answer. The Americans won't want to leave without making sure they still have a piece of the pie. The oil pie. So, perhaps something along the lines of a broken up Yugoslavia. But the borders will still need policing. It's basically a fucking mess. The governments of Britain and America should have listened to their populations and not invaded in the first place.

what exactly does that mean? "america wont leave until that have a piece of the oil pie"

thats great that america and britain didnt listen to their populations in the first place. how is that reasonable debate. lets deal with the facts. we are there, the country is fucked up, how can it be fixed?

my suggestion is have religious leaders call for peace and try to have the 3 groups sit down and try and unite.

redrock

jlew24asu wrote:

my suggestion is have religious leaders call for peace and try to have the 3 groups sit down and try and unite.

We heard you the first time - no need to post 4 times :D:D

That can't work. They are 3 VERY different people and have NEVER worked together before. Unity doesn't seem to be an option, and definitely not from the religious leaders!

jlew24asu

redrock wrote:

We heard you the first time - no need to post 4 times :D:D

That can't work. They are 3 VERY different people and have NEVER worked together before. Unity doesn't seem to be an option, and definitely not from the religious leaders!

well I was waiting for a rebutal.

I agree with you. These people are very different. but it can be possible to put aside their differences to acheive one common goal(s). one of which being, getting the US to leave. the 3 country option seems more impossible to me.

redrock

jlew24asu wrote:

I agree with you. These people are very different. but it can be possible to put aside their differences to acheive one common goal(s). one of which being, getting the US to leave. the 3 country option seems more impossible to me.

I doubt they could.. historically they have always been at odds. I guess they're not seeing the bigger picture, ie getting the US out, as they have too much to 'sort out' between themselves. The three country option seems very plausible to me. It is neatly divided with the Shi'ite in the south, Sunni in the north west and Kurds in the north east (these may be a threat to Turkey as they would most probably join with the Turkish Kurds). The Kurds already have their own little state in a way. They even have their own flag and don't acknowledge the Iraqi one.

It would not be easy... there would be fighting for territory but in the end, they will each rule as they wish, whether having a fundementalist state or a 'democracy' - to each their own. I guess Yugoslavia could be seen as an example of partitioning....

It's difficult but I believe that there would be less violence that way, or at least less excuse for violence and THEN their religious leaders could put their foot down....

jlew24asu

chiefojibwa wrote:

pass the bong

whenever your ready to throw some ideas into the debate feel free.

The Waiting Trophy Man

chiefojibwa wrote:

my point was that your idea of having the leaders sit around in a circle-jerk and talk peace is, well, kinda crunchy. no? it's my understanding that these ethnic rivalries go pretty far back. am i wrong, oh wise one?

The Waiting Trophy Man

the only thing i know for sure is that these groups will never get along, so obviously they need to be separated. and then maybe bribe them. like giving kids allowances when they behave and do their chores. their all acting like a bunch of kids, might as well treat them like that. but honestly, i don't know what the fuck they need to do over there. it's like eddie said "and the solution, well from me far would it be".