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waves of violence leaves morgues overwhelmed

The Waiting Trophy ManThe Waiting Trophy Man Posts: 12,158
edited November 2006 in A Moving Train
Some Iraqi men, fearful of an anonymous burial, are tattooing their thighs with names and phone numbers to make it easy to identify their bodies. They do that because morgue employees have little time to spend on each body because so many show up every day. Quick burials leave wailing wives and mothers to look at photographs of bodies.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/12/baghdad.morgue.ap/index.html
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    islamic sheiks need to step in and tell them to stop killing each other. Islam is suppose to be the religion of peace. these shieks, or religious leaders, have alot of influence, they should try to use it in a positive way.
  • trappedinmyradiotrappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    jlew24asu wrote:
    islamic sheiks need to step in and tell them to stop killing each other. Islam is suppose to be the religion of peace. these shieks, or religious leaders, have alot of influence, they should try to use it in a positive way.

    these people are the ones that fear they are being persecuted and fear that "democracy" (or whatever it is that the u.s. is trying to bring in the region) is attached to christianity. with bush II in office, it looks more and more like they are attached and that a functioning democracy must have, at its core, a thriving christian base. intelligent people know that is not the case. but, these men do not understand that that is not the case. they only see what they want to see or what they are told to see. like a lot of people here on each side of the fence - this war is just and bush is leading us to a better tomorrow vs. bush is an evil man with a grand scheme for world domination. they do not know that if they quit fighting that the u.s. will, probably, leave sooner. so, on they battle.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    these people are the ones that fear they are being persecuted and fear that "democracy" (or whatever it is that the u.s. is trying to bring in the region) is attached to christianity. with bush II in office, it looks more and more like they are attached and that a functioning democracy must have, at its core, a thriving christian base. intelligent people know that is not the case. but, these men do not understand that that is not the case. they only see what they want to see or what they are told to see. like a lot of people here on each side of the fence - this war is just and bush is leading us to a better tomorrow vs. bush is an evil man with a grand scheme for world domination. they do not know that if they quit fighting that the u.s. will, probably, leave sooner. so, on they battle.


    your right. thats why I wish one of these influencial people will wake up and realize that.

    and even when the US leaves they will still be fighting and killing each other until they decide not to. for their own sake.
  • trappedinmyradiotrappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    jlew24asu wrote:
    your right. thats why I wish one of these influencial people will wake up and realize that.

    and even when the US leaves they will still be fighting and killing each other until they decide not to. for their own sake.

    those intelligent people are the ones that started it...
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    those intelligent people are the ones that started it...


    maybe now they can end it.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061113/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq


    when will they stop killing each? anyone care to debate what can really stop this. I really think its up to religious leaders. people wont listen the the government becuase they dont trust them yet. what else can be done?
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    jlew24asu wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061113/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq


    when will they stop killing each? anyone care to debate what can really stop this. I really think its up to religious leaders. people wont listen the the government becuase they dont trust them yet. what else can be done?

    Partition Iraq between the Kurds, Sunni and Shi'ite. Let each group rule their own little country as they wish. They hate each other.. no peace will come to Iraq as it stands now....
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    redrock wrote:
    Partition Iraq between the Kurds, Sunni and Shi'ite. Let each group rule their own little country as they wish. They hate each other.. no peace will come to Iraq as it stands now....


    I thought about this. can this be done? in theory it sounds good but...

    who decides the borders?

    Oil fields becomes a huge issue.

    1 probably 2 partitions would be land locked.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Iraq is a 'fake' country. It was carved out of the ottoman empire in the 20's. The Kurds, Sunni and Shi'ite are nicely in groups in the country to start with. The only thing keeping the three groups under check was a dictator. Take that kind of power away and its a free for all. Of course doing something like this would still mean displacement, etc. There would also still probably be conflict ref borders... The best oild fields being in the North with the Kurds and the south (Basra way).

    No solution is ideal, but I believe this to be the best. My opinion of course.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061113/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq


    when will they stop killing each? anyone care to debate what can really stop this. I really think its up to religious leaders. people wont listen the the government becuase they dont trust them yet. what else can be done?

    I don't have an answer. The Americans won't want to leave without making sure they still have a piece of the pie. The oil pie. So, perhaps something along the lines of a broken up Yugoslavia. But the borders will still need policing. It's basically a fucking mess. The governments of Britain and America should have listened to their populations and not invaded in the first place.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I don't have an answer. The Americans won't want to leave without making sure they still have a piece of the pie. The oil pie. So, perhaps something along the lines of a broken up Yugoslavia. But the borders will still need policing. It's basically a fucking mess. The governments of Britain and America should have listened to their populations and not invaded in the first place.


    what exactly does that mean? "america wont leave until that have a piece of the oil pie"

    thats great that america and britain didnt listen to their populations in the first place. how is that reasonable debate. lets deal with the facts. we are there, the country is fucked up, how can it be fixed?

    my suggestion is have religious leaders call for peace and try to have the 3 groups sit down and try and unite.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I don't have an answer. The Americans won't want to leave without making sure they still have a piece of the pie. The oil pie. So, perhaps something along the lines of a broken up Yugoslavia. But the borders will still need policing. It's basically a fucking mess. The governments of Britain and America should have listened to their populations and not invaded in the first place.


    what exactly does that mean? "america wont leave until that have a piece of the oil pie"

    thats great that america and britain didnt listen to their populations in the first place. how is that reasonable debate. lets deal with the facts. we are there, the country is fucked up, how can it be fixed?

    my suggestion is have religious leaders call for peace and try to have the 3 groups sit down and try and unite.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I don't have an answer. The Americans won't want to leave without making sure they still have a piece of the pie. The oil pie. So, perhaps something along the lines of a broken up Yugoslavia. But the borders will still need policing. It's basically a fucking mess. The governments of Britain and America should have listened to their populations and not invaded in the first place.


    what exactly does that mean? "america wont leave until that have a piece of the oil pie"

    thats great that america and britain didnt listen to their populations in the first place. how is that reasonable debate. lets deal with the facts. we are there, the country is fucked up, how can it be fixed?

    my suggestion is have religious leaders call for peace and try to have the 3 groups sit down and try and unite.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I don't have an answer. The Americans won't want to leave without making sure they still have a piece of the pie. The oil pie. So, perhaps something along the lines of a broken up Yugoslavia. But the borders will still need policing. It's basically a fucking mess. The governments of Britain and America should have listened to their populations and not invaded in the first place.


    what exactly does that mean? "america wont leave until that have a piece of the oil pie"

    thats great that america and britain didnt listen to their populations in the first place. how is that reasonable debate. lets deal with the facts. we are there, the country is fucked up, how can it be fixed?

    my suggestion is have religious leaders call for peace and try to have the 3 groups sit down and try and unite.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    jlew24asu wrote:

    my suggestion is have religious leaders call for peace and try to have the 3 groups sit down and try and unite.

    We heard you the first time - no need to post 4 times :D:D:D

    That can't work. They are 3 VERY different people and have NEVER worked together before. Unity doesn't seem to be an option, and definitely not from the religious leaders!
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    redrock wrote:
    We heard you the first time - no need to post 4 times :D:D:D

    That can't work. They are 3 VERY different people and have NEVER worked together before. Unity doesn't seem to be an option, and definitely not from the religious leaders!


    well I was waiting for a rebutal. :)

    I agree with you. These people are very different. but it can be possible to put aside their differences to acheive one common goal(s). one of which being, getting the US to leave. the 3 country option seems more impossible to me.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I agree with you. These people are very different. but it can be possible to put aside their differences to acheive one common goal(s). one of which being, getting the US to leave. the 3 country option seems more impossible to me.

    I doubt they could.. historically they have always been at odds. I guess they're not seeing the bigger picture, ie getting the US out, as they have too much to 'sort out' between themselves. The three country option seems very plausible to me. It is neatly divided with the Shi'ite in the south, Sunni in the north west and Kurds in the north east (these may be a threat to Turkey as they would most probably join with the Turkish Kurds). The Kurds already have their own little state in a way. They even have their own flag and don't acknowledge the Iraqi one.

    It would not be easy... there would be fighting for territory but in the end, they will each rule as they wish, whether having a fundementalist state or a 'democracy' - to each their own. I guess Yugoslavia could be seen as an example of partitioning....

    It's difficult but I believe that there would be less violence that way, or at least less excuse for violence and THEN their religious leaders could put their foot down....
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    pass the bong


    whenever your ready to throw some ideas into the debate feel free.
  • The Waiting Trophy ManThe Waiting Trophy Man Posts: 12,158
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    my point was that your idea of having the leaders sit around in a circle-jerk and talk peace is, well, kinda crunchy. no? it's my understanding that these ethnic rivalries go pretty far back. am i wrong, oh wise one?

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  • The Waiting Trophy ManThe Waiting Trophy Man Posts: 12,158
    the only thing i know for sure is that these groups will never get along, so obviously they need to be separated. and then maybe bribe them. like giving kids allowances when they behave and do their chores. their all acting like a bunch of kids, might as well treat them like that. but honestly, i don't know what the fuck they need to do over there. it's like eddie said "and the solution, well from me far would it be".
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    my point was that your idea of having the leaders sit around in a circle-jerk and talk peace is, well, kinda crunchy. no? it's my understanding that these ethnic rivalries go pretty far back. am i wrong, oh wise one?


    they are all muslims no? they all read the koran no? so your understanding is that these ethnic rivalries go pretty far back. hmm ok well arent you the wise one.

    why cant the leaders sit down and discuss their differences and attempt to live in peace. they are human right?

    wow you bring as much to the table as a 4th grader. your right, debateing with you is a waste of time.
  • The Waiting Trophy ManThe Waiting Trophy Man Posts: 12,158
    here's something:

    Calls to include Iran, Syria in talks
    Speaking on Sunday talk shows, two top Democrats called for an international conference composed of representatives from the countries in the region with a stake in the outcome -- including Iran, Syria and Turkey -- to hash out details of a solution.

    The concept was endorsed Monday by the prime ministers of two other nations -- Britain and Australia -- both of which have troops in Iraq as part of the U.S.-led coalition, according to The Associated Press. (Full story)

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/13/iraq.next/index.html
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what exactly does that mean? "america wont leave until that have a piece of the oil pie"

    my suggestion is have religious leaders call for peace and try to have the 3 groups sit down and try and unite.

    My first sentence speaks for itself.
    You'll be surprised to know that as for your suggestion...you could be right.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    pass the bong

    Quality! :D You could be onto something here. I suggest spiking the Iraqi water system - after we help to create one - with L.SD. That will give them something to think about! Timothy Leary had the right idea.
    Fuck it! May as well spike the troops aswell. No point in them missing out on all the fun.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    My first sentence speaks for itself.
    You'll be surprised to know that as for your suggestion...you could be right.


    actually no it doesnt. america, and britian, need and depend on oil. neither country, however, will profit from it. so not sure what you mean. which is why I asked. and the fact that you wont answer shows you just like to throw out words without backing it up. well done.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    redrock wrote:
    We heard you the first time - no need to post 4 times :D:D:D

    That can't work. They are 3 VERY different people and have NEVER worked together before. Unity doesn't seem to be an option, and definitely not from the religious leaders!


    plus one group spent over a decade being tortured and murdered by the other...things like torture chambers and death squads tend to create a deep rooted hatred.
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    actually no it doesnt. america, and britian, need and depend on oil. neither country, however, will profit from it. so not sure what you mean. which is why I asked. and the fact that you wont answer shows you just like to throw out words without backing it up. well done.


    you're right, the our countries don't profit...in that the people as a whole do not benefit from this...but certain individuals on the other hand...i thought it was funny when rummy said he benefited greatly from this administration, how much did he get for that bird flu vaccine, again? :D
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    actually no it doesnt. america, and britian, need and depend on oil. neither country, however, will profit from it. so not sure what you mean. which is why I asked. and the fact that you wont answer shows you just like to throw out words without backing it up. well done.

    I've already answered. I said I didn't know what the solution should be.
    Either the troops stay and contribute to and exacerbate the carnage, or they leave and lay the ground open for a blood bath.
    I can't conceive of an alternative. That's my answer. Sorry you're not satisfied with that. (Actually, I'm not sorry at all. I couldn't give a fuck.)
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I've already answered. I said I didn't know what the solution should be.
    Either the troops stay and contribute to and exacerbate the carnage, or they leave and lay the ground open for a blood bath.
    I can't conceive of an alternative. That's my answer. Sorry you're not satisfied with that. (Actually, I'm not sorry at all. I couldn't give a fuck.)


    this one flew right over your head.

    I was refering to your "america wont leave until we get a peice of the oil pie" comment.
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