So long as it's forced and potentially in violation of the will of those who own the lab, no.
Well, in most states, it is a lab's option to become CAP certified. They must meet certain standards to apply. Some states require CAP certification, others don't, but the lab that are not CAP certified do not hold the same prestige as those that do. Once you are CAP certified, you must participate in surveys (unknowns) and you will get inspected every 2 years. The inspections are unannounced. Once you are certified, you also have to participate as an inspector. I am also personally certified by CAP, among others. It's all peer-reviewed based, little chance of bribery, as peers tend to hold other peers to a higher standard. Make any difference now?
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Well, in most states, it is a lab's option to become CAP certified. They must meet certain standards to apply. Some states require CAP certification, others don't, but the lab that are not CAP certified do not hold the same prestige as those that do. Once you are CAP certified, you must participate in surveys (unknowns) and you will get inspected every 2 years. The inspections are unannounced. Once you are certified, you also have to participate as an inspector. I am also personally certified by CAP, among others. It's all peer-reviewed based, little chance of bribery, as peers tend to hold other peers to a higher standard. Make any difference now?
Well, in most states, it is a lab's option to become CAP certified. They must meet certain standards to apply. Some states require CAP certification, others don't, but the lab that are not CAP certified do not hold the same prestige as those that do. Once you are CAP certified, you must participate in surveys (unknowns) and you will get inspected every 2 years. The inspections are unannounced. Once you are certified, you also have to participate as an inspector. I am also personally certified by CAP, among others. It's all peer-reviewed based, little chance of bribery, as peers tend to hold other peers to a higher standard. Make any difference now?
Sure. Sounds at least somewhat willful here then.
The "bribery" thing is just an example. A forced peer review wherein the reviewer might have competitive motivations is arguably more dangerous than an imposed governmental review. At least with bribed governmental officials, it's in their best interest to see you stick around
The "bribery" thing is just an example. A forced peer review wherein the reviewer might have competitive motivations is arguably more dangerous than an imposed governmental review. At least with bribed governmental officials, it's in their best interest to see you stick around
I am not allowed to inspect labs that are 'direct competitors' due to conflict of interest. For example, I traveled to the middle of nowhere, Arkansas (about 5 hours away) to inspect a lab last week. When I worked in Denver, I traveled to Las Vegas & Jackson Hole, Wyoming to inspect. What else do you have?
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I am not allowed to inspect labs that are 'direct competitors' due to conflict of interest. For example, I traveled to the middle of nowhere, Arkansas (about 5 hours away) to inspect a lab last week. When I worked in Denver, I traveled to Las Vegas & Jackson Hole, Wyoming to inspect. What else do you have?
Hehe...I'm not trying to shoot holes in or take issue with your job, baraka.
The "bribery" thing is just an example. A forced peer review wherein the reviewer might have competitive motivations is arguably more dangerous than an imposed governmental review. At least with bribed governmental officials, it's in their best interest to see you stick around
You're helpless. Trying to sound so swift and tough and backroom deals all at the same time.
Hehee, this could be one of those insurance commercials with the voiceover thingy.
Hehe...I'm not trying to shoot holes in or take issue with your job, baraka.
Sure you are, but that is what is so fun! I know you don't take issue with my job, but with regulatory agencies in general. I'm just coming from the perspective of my job, since it's what I know. It can work, when done properly and it is necessary, at least in health care, imo.
BTW, I'm not a full time inspector, just something I do from time to time. I won't inspect again until next year.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I think, correct me if I'm wrong, you're talking about the ever-advantageous leverage of having someone "by the balls".
I've said "fuck you" to this all my life. And always will.
Q: what do you mean by that?
A: I guess I was just teeing off again on FFG's shortcomings.
Q: A bit of overkill there, I think.
A: probably.
Q: Are you going to let go of his balls?
A: ok.
Apparently the New York State Food Laboratory identified the toxin Aminopterin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aminopterin in the recalled pet foods. This toxin can be bad news for humans, as well as pets. It's use is banned in Canada & the US, so it's interesting that this toxin found its way into these pet foods.
It's use is banned in Canada & the US, so it's interesting that this toxin found its way into these pet foods.
I read somewhere this weekend that the investigators are looking at the wheat source which apparently is someplace in China. The theory is that the wheat was exposed there to a common agricultural rat poison/repellant.
Unfortunately, I also discovered that this recall slightly affected the provider of the food I give to my dogs. Apparently, Purina cheaped out somewhere and started purchasing pouch food from this Menu Foods joint. That means I have to find a new dry food supplier, or face the very annoying prospect of making it myself......does anyone here make their own dry dog food?
I read somewhere this weekend that the investigators are looking at the wheat source which apparently is someplace in China. The theory is that the wheat was exposed there to a common agricultural rat poison/repellant.
Unfortunately, I also discovered that this recall slightly affected the provider of the food I give to my dogs. Apparently, Purina cheaped out somewhere and started purchasing pouch food from this Menu Foods joint. That means I have to find a new dry food supplier, or face the very annoying prospect of making it myself......does anyone here make their own dry dog food?
Oh, I didn't read that. Thanks. I was wondering the source, that that makes perfect sense. I know that they were looking into the wheat source from the start.
Now my grandmother used to make her own 'dog' food, but it was really 'people' food. Her dogs were huge, her husky was the biggest dog I've ever seen and her rottweiler was shaped like a sun bear, had absolutely no neck.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Now my grandmother used to make her own 'dog' food, but it was really 'people' food. Her dogs were huge, her husky was the biggest dog I've ever seen and her rottweiler was shaped like a sun bear, had absolutely no neck.
Hehe...definitely don't want that.
My dogs now get a mix of puchased dry food + fresh meat and vegatables that I prepare. I'm afraid if I start trying to make dry food myself I'll probably end up destroying the kitchen and killing the dogs
My dogs now get a mix of puchased dry food + fresh meat and vegatables that I prepare. I'm afraid if I start trying to make dry food myself I'll probably end up destroying the kitchen and killing the dogs
You can get your dogs to eat veggies? What kind of dogs do you have?
Destroy the kitchen? lol I can't imagine what toxic concoction you'd make that would destroy your kitchen.
Really all my grandmother did was cook up some gravy & meat to add to their 'chubs'.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I read somewhere this weekend that the investigators are looking at the wheat source which apparently is someplace in China. The theory is that the wheat was exposed there to a common agricultural rat poison/repellant.
Unfortunately, I also discovered that this recall slightly affected the provider of the food I give to my dogs. Apparently, Purina cheaped out somewhere and started purchasing pouch food from this Menu Foods joint. That means I have to find a new dry food supplier, or face the very annoying prospect of making it myself......does anyone here make their own dry dog food?
Damn ... my dog eats a Purina brand food too :(
There's no way I'm making it myself ... I wouldn't be able to stand the smell of all that meat cooking in the house *insert green face here*
I guess it's time to suck up the extra cost and start switching him over to organic dog food.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
There's no way I'm making it myself ... I wouldn't be able to stand the smell of all that meat cooking in the house *insert green face here*
I guess it's time to suck up the extra cost and start switching him over to organic dog food.
The only Purina product affected was the Mighty Dog pouch food, so if you're feeding them standard Purina dry food or Pro Plan dry food, don't worry too much. That said, I wrote a very testy letter to them yesterday informing them that I had no confidence left in any of their products and that I'll be taking my business elsewhere.
Be careful with the "organic" products. They often misrepresent themselves in a lot of ways, and so-called "designer" foods can be even worse for the dogs than the regular stuff. Check with your vet before switching them over.
I typically boil the meat I give to the dogs now. Stinks less, is healthier, and the dogs really aren't very picky about it. I wouldn't eat it if you paid me, but they don't seem to mind
The only Purina product affected was the Mighty Dog pouch food, so if you're feeding them standard Purina dry food or Pro Plan dry food, don't worry too much. That said, I wrote a very testy letter to them yesterday informing them that I had no confidence left in any of their products and that I'll be taking my business elsewhere.
Don't be surprised when large companies out-source to save money. Seems to be a common practice today to compete.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Don't be surprised when large companies out-source to save money. Seems to be a common practice today to compete.
Hehe...I'm certainly not surprised. Purina has every right to out-source to save money, just like I have every right to "out-source" my business elsewhere.
The only Purina product affected was the Mighty Dog pouch food, so if you're feeding them standard Purina dry food or Pro Plan dry food, don't worry too much. That said, I wrote a very testy letter to them yesterday informing them that I had no confidence left in any of their products and that I'll be taking my business elsewhere.
Be careful with the "organic" products. They often misrepresent themselves in a lot of ways, and so-called "designer" foods can be even worse for the dogs than the regular stuff. Check with your vet before switching them over.
I typically boil the meat I give to the dogs now. Stinks less, is healthier, and the dogs really aren't very picky about it. I wouldn't eat it if you paid me, but they don't seem to mind
My dog is not exactly what you'd call a finicky eater, hahaha. He'll pretty much eat anything that doesn't eat him first.
I don't give him any pouch food, so I doubt I have anything to worry about, but now I don't particularly feel like giving money to a company that does business this way, especially since I already try to avoid any product that comes from China (although I think that's impossible to do entirely). I'm going to talk to the vet about organic, domestically made products.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Hehe...I'm certainly not surprised. Purina has every right to out-source to save money, just like I have every right to "out-source" my business elsewhere.
Cute, ffg. Making your own dog food is one thing, but leave the hair cuts to the experts. I just pictured you with a really bad self-inflicted flat-top ha ha
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
My dog is not exactly what you'd call a finicky eater, hahaha. He'll pretty much eat anything that doesn't eat him first.
I don't give him any pouch food, so I doubt I have anything to worry about, but now I don't particularly feel like giving money to a company that does business this way, especially since I already try to avoid any product that comes from China (although I think that's impossible to do entirely). I'm going to talk to the vet about organic, domestically made products.
You might try checking out foods made by Natura. I've heard great things about their foods, specifically the Innova line. I think they're both organic and domestically produced. It isn't cheap though.
I wanted to switch my dogs to this stuff a couple of years ago, but there was nowhere around here that sold it. I'm going to check back into this now though.
Cute, ffg. Making your own dog food is one thing, but leave the hair cuts to the experts. I just pictured you with a really bad self-inflicted flat-top ha ha
Hehe...I haven't even had a haircut in about 6 months. I'm going to have to do something about that.
Cute, ffg. Making your own dog food is one thing, but leave the hair cuts to the experts. I just pictured you with a really bad self-inflicted flat-top ha ha
Uh-oh............I had to interrupt my self-imposed posting ban to say....hahahahhahahahahahahaaahahahahaaahahahaha!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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Well, in most states, it is a lab's option to become CAP certified. They must meet certain standards to apply. Some states require CAP certification, others don't, but the lab that are not CAP certified do not hold the same prestige as those that do. Once you are CAP certified, you must participate in surveys (unknowns) and you will get inspected every 2 years. The inspections are unannounced. Once you are certified, you also have to participate as an inspector. I am also personally certified by CAP, among others. It's all peer-reviewed based, little chance of bribery, as peers tend to hold other peers to a higher standard. Make any difference now?
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
FFG is CAP certified by Ayn Rand.
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cute gue
but the illusion of knowledge.
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Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I thought so.
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Sure. Sounds at least somewhat willful here then.
The "bribery" thing is just an example. A forced peer review wherein the reviewer might have competitive motivations is arguably more dangerous than an imposed governmental review. At least with bribed governmental officials, it's in their best interest to see you stick around
I am not allowed to inspect labs that are 'direct competitors' due to conflict of interest. For example, I traveled to the middle of nowhere, Arkansas (about 5 hours away) to inspect a lab last week. When I worked in Denver, I traveled to Las Vegas & Jackson Hole, Wyoming to inspect. What else do you have?
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Hehe...I'm not trying to shoot holes in or take issue with your job, baraka.
You're helpless. Trying to sound so swift and tough and backroom deals all at the same time.
Hehee, this could be one of those insurance commercials with the voiceover thingy.
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Is this a point, or just an insult?
Is it your contention that regulatory environments have nothing to do with "backroom deals"?
Sure you are, but that is what is so fun!
BTW, I'm not a full time inspector, just something I do from time to time. I won't inspect again until next year.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I think, correct me if I'm wrong, you're talking about the ever-advantageous leverage of having someone "by the balls".
I've said "fuck you" to this all my life. And always will.
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Q: what do you mean by that?
A: I guess I was just teeing off again on FFG's shortcomings.
Q: A bit of overkill there, I think.
A: probably.
Q: Are you going to let go of his balls?
A: ok.
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http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=8659&t=Poisonous+pet+food+identified
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I read somewhere this weekend that the investigators are looking at the wheat source which apparently is someplace in China. The theory is that the wheat was exposed there to a common agricultural rat poison/repellant.
Unfortunately, I also discovered that this recall slightly affected the provider of the food I give to my dogs. Apparently, Purina cheaped out somewhere and started purchasing pouch food from this Menu Foods joint. That means I have to find a new dry food supplier, or face the very annoying prospect of making it myself......does anyone here make their own dry dog food?
Oh, I didn't read that. Thanks. I was wondering the source, that that makes perfect sense. I know that they were looking into the wheat source from the start.
Now my grandmother used to make her own 'dog' food, but it was really 'people' food. Her dogs were huge, her husky was the biggest dog I've ever seen and her rottweiler was shaped like a sun bear, had absolutely no neck.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Hehe...definitely don't want that.
My dogs now get a mix of puchased dry food + fresh meat and vegatables that I prepare. I'm afraid if I start trying to make dry food myself I'll probably end up destroying the kitchen and killing the dogs
You can get your dogs to eat veggies? What kind of dogs do you have?
Destroy the kitchen? lol I can't imagine what toxic concoction you'd make that would destroy your kitchen.
Really all my grandmother did was cook up some gravy & meat to add to their 'chubs'.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Two german shephard mutts and a gold retriever/lab mix. They love peas and carrots.
It's a big process from what I understand to do it right. And the culinary arts really aren't my thing. But it might be fun to give it a shot.
Does it have to be hard dog food?
http://www.healthrecipes.com/pet_supply.htm
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
These dogs are going to end up eating better than I do
There's no way I'm making it myself ... I wouldn't be able to stand the smell of all that meat cooking in the house *insert green face here*
I guess it's time to suck up the extra cost and start switching him over to organic dog food.
The only Purina product affected was the Mighty Dog pouch food, so if you're feeding them standard Purina dry food or Pro Plan dry food, don't worry too much. That said, I wrote a very testy letter to them yesterday informing them that I had no confidence left in any of their products and that I'll be taking my business elsewhere.
Be careful with the "organic" products. They often misrepresent themselves in a lot of ways, and so-called "designer" foods can be even worse for the dogs than the regular stuff. Check with your vet before switching them over.
I typically boil the meat I give to the dogs now. Stinks less, is healthier, and the dogs really aren't very picky about it. I wouldn't eat it if you paid me, but they don't seem to mind
Don't be surprised when large companies out-source to save money. Seems to be a common practice today to compete.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Hehe...I'm certainly not surprised. Purina has every right to out-source to save money, just like I have every right to "out-source" my business elsewhere.
http://www.theatlasphere.com/columns/070313-machan-haircut.php
I don't give him any pouch food, so I doubt I have anything to worry about, but now I don't particularly feel like giving money to a company that does business this way, especially since I already try to avoid any product that comes from China (although I think that's impossible to do entirely). I'm going to talk to the vet about organic, domestically made products.
Cute, ffg. Making your own dog food is one thing, but leave the hair cuts to the experts. I just pictured you with a really bad self-inflicted flat-top ha ha
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
You might try checking out foods made by Natura. I've heard great things about their foods, specifically the Innova line. I think they're both organic and domestically produced. It isn't cheap though.
I wanted to switch my dogs to this stuff a couple of years ago, but there was nowhere around here that sold it. I'm going to check back into this now though.
Hehe...I haven't even had a haircut in about 6 months. I'm going to have to do something about that.
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but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein