Entitlements

baraka
baraka Posts: 1,268
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
To what are we entitled and why?
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin

Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I'm on the outside, I'm looking in.

    Nothing.

    With these eyes I see... equality.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm on the outside, I'm looking in.

    Nothing.

    With these eyes I see... equality.

    I probably was not clear with my question. What do folks here consider entitlements verses privileges as it pertains to issues such as education, welfare, health care, etc.............?
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Well, I think we are entitled to equality. A privledge would be special treatment, would it not?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm on the outside, I'm looking in.

    Nothing.

    With these eyes I see... equality.

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN6EXUmGo0M

    I love The Guess Who

    She's come undone
    Hand-me-down world
    etc.. etc..
    so many classics.

    I think we are all entitled to like The Guess Who.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    We are entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Government welfare accomplishes none of these things and ALWAYS detracts from them.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, I think we are entitled to equality.

    Equality as it pertains to what? Can you expound?


    Ahnimus wrote:
    A privledge would be special treatment, would it not?

    There is a big difference between a right and a privilege. A privilege is something like being given a driver's license after you demonstrate you are safe to handle a motor vehicle, a right is something like not being thrown in prison for the rest of your life when you've done nothing wrong.

    So, are things like health care, education, etc, considered an entitlement (right) or a privilege?
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    baraka wrote:
    Equality as it pertains to what? Can you expound?





    There is a big difference between a right and a privilege. A privilege is something like being given a driver's license after you demonstrate you are safe to handle a motor vehicle, a right is something like not being thrown in prison for the rest of your life when you've done nothing wrong.

    So, are things like health care, education, etc, considered an entitlement (right) or a privilege?

    I would consider them an entitlement. If we are going to provide such programs through a collective, such as tax-payers, then all should be entitled to them. Of course you could argue that they should be a privledge of paying taxes, but we generally accept that some human machines are not capable of earning a wage in our current economic system.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    I don't think we're entitled to anything.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    know1 wrote:
    I don't think we're entitled to anything.

    Nothing? So you feel things like health care and education are privileges?
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    baraka wrote:
    Nothing? So you feel things like health care and education are privileges?


    priviledges of what? Not being an entitlement doesn't mean it's automatically a priviledge or does it?
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    priviledges of what? Not being an entitlement doesn't mean it's automatically a priviledge.

    I'm not sure I understand your question, 'privileges of what?'. To consider something a privilege is to say it is acceptable for some people to be denied access to them. If it is not a right or entitlement, then what is it?
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    baraka wrote:
    I'm not sure I understand your question, 'privileges of what?'. To consider something a privilege is to say it is acceptable for some people to be denied access to them. If it is not a right or entitlement, then what is it?


    I guess I just mean that even public goods are paid for, to be admitted or access them you would still have to theoretically pay into the system somewhere wouldn't you?
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  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    Definitions of entitlement, rights & privilege from: http://www.wordreference.com/


    Entitlement:

    right granted by law or contract (especially a right to benefits); "entitlements make up the major part of the federal budget"

    The definition of a right:

    1 an abstract idea of that which is due to a person or governmental body by law or tradition or nature; "they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"; "Certain rights can never be granted to the government but must be kept in the hands of the people"- Eleanor Roosevelt; "a right is not something that somebody gives you; it is something that nobody can take away"

    Compared to............

    Privilege:

    a special advantage or immunity or benefit not enjoyed by all.
    a right reserved exclusively by a particular person or group (especially a hereditary or official right); "suffrage was the prerogative of white adult males"
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    I guess I just mean that even public goods are paid for, to be admitted or access them you would still have to theoretically pay into the system somewhere wouldn't you?

    Do you mean public goods as in water, electricity, etc, or do you mean something else? When you say 'pay into the system' do you mean via taxes?
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    baraka wrote:
    To what are we entitled and why?

    I have such a good comeback for this.

    'cept you're married.


    Seriously...

    Food and shelter doesn't seem like such a far-flung idea in this day and age. Health care. Access to education.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I think we're entitled to a transparent government.
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  • Truthmonger
    Truthmonger Posts: 559
    I think the U.S. has a grotesque sense of entitlement. As does the West in general.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Truthmonger wrote:
    I think the U.S. has a grotesque sense of entitlement. As does the West in general.

    The US population in general? I disagree. We're some hard working mofo's. We're also slaves. We just refuse to acknowledge it.
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    Truthmonger wrote:
    I think the U.S. has a grotesque sense of entitlement. As does the West in general.

    Why? Because most of us work for a living?

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