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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Every year i get freaked out that i might have to do jury duty. Everyone always says "just sound like a biased idiot" and u can get out of it. It still freaks me out though.



    If i was "forced" into doing so, i would have to vote NOT GUILTY , no matter the case. Only because you see it happen so much. Some guy goes to prision for ten years only to be found not guilty years later.

    I just find it very frightening that a country who was supposedly founded upon GOD (which in christian belief, there is no judge other than god himself).. Chooses to have random people decide the fate of another person.


    Am i wrong in thinking its a little fucked up? Don't get me wrong, im not trying to bash the system (as fucked as it may be) It just doesnt feel right to me for some reason. More importantly, how do you feel about jury duty? Would it be hard to have the weight of someone's life on your shoulders? Does your religion come into play with any of it?


    - Mandi

    I've been called for Jury Duty 2 times in the past 4 years. The first time, I was not needed and dismissed after they selected a jury...it was a murder trail...I would have been ok with sitting on this jury...

    The second time I was Juror #13....yep, I was the alternate Juror. I got to sit in the Jury Box, the trial was a "armed" robbery. The fella on trail used a bb gun as his weapon of choice. He wasn't disputing the fact he commited the crime. His lawyer was saying the bb gun was a "true weapon" as per NC state law...

    anyway, I was dismissed as the Jury went in to deliberate...

    Personally, I see Jury Duty as an obligation that should not be taken lightly. I listened with an open ear, wanting to do the best job possible. I don't think it's a bad system, it just takes people to be serious about participating...

    As for the religious stuff, I don't really subscribe to any sort of religion, so that wasn't a problem for me.
  • somebody has to make those decisions, and i'd rather it be fellow citizens than one guy.

    we cant just let god take care of it. somebody has to judge.
  • anothercloneanotherclone Posts: 1,688

    If i was "forced" into doing so, i would have to vote NOT GUILTY , no matter the case. Only because you see it happen so much. Some guy goes to prision for ten years only to be found not guilty years later.

    But, what if "some guy" WAS actually guilty and your vote set him free? Just a thought. :)

    I was called to jury duty but I was tossed off the case because it was a domestic violence case and I have a family friend that was murdered by her husband. The attorneys thought I was biased. Probably rightfully so.
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    I am not sure I understand the original poster. Are you saying you would vote not guilty on any case, no matter how airtight just because there is a slim chance that the person might be not guilty? That's why the whole idea of burden of proof says that guilt has to be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt", not with "100% certainty". Besides I think the number of cases where someone gets sent to prison and they had actually no connection to the crime are probably pretty low.

    As far as saying you don't think that people should judge other people, who do you think should do it. Should all trials be judge trials? Or should people not bother and wait for God to strike down the guilty with lightning?
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    i've done it. i always thought it would be a hard thing to do, but after having the experience, i just felt good about helping to get a really bad guy off of the streets. i know i was fair and open minded about it and i would not hesitate again to serve on another jury.

    and this was probably the 4th or 5th time i was called to serve, but only time actually selected for a jury.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    I've never done it... Once I was called, but away at school, and I was just going to be selected in March, but I deferred to May because of work obligations. I'm sure that I will get called in May because I deferred.

    I won't have a problem serving if I get selected, and will take it very seriously and try my best to enter with an open mind. I would want jurors taking the same approach if I had to appear in court at some point in my life.

    I really don't understand you saying that you would "have to vote NOT GUILTY" because of some fear of convicting an innocent person. How would you feel if you were on the victim side of something, and the jury just let your attacker go because they were afraid?

    If anything, my fear would be the opposite if it was a violent crime. I would be afraid that we let a someone guilty go, and they went out and hurt someone else.
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  • FahkaFahka Posts: 3,187
    I am not sure I understand the original poster. Are you saying you would vote not guilty on any case, no matter how airtight just because there is a slim chance that the person might be not guilty? That's why the whole idea of burden of proof says that guilt has to be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt", not with "100% certainty". Besides I think the number of cases where someone gets sent to prison and they had actually no connection to the crime are probably pretty low.

    As far as saying you don't think that people should judge other people, who do you think should do it. Should all trials be judge trials? Or should people not bother and wait for God to strike down the guilty with lightning?



    I didnt say that i thought people shouldnt judge other people, just the idea of it all kind seems frightening to me.. Contradictory if you will lol


    Trust me, i understand there is a legal system for a reason. Just me personally (and yes its probably due to being young and never being on a jury) I feel that it would be a big weight to me to sit and decide someones fate. Unless the person says "hey im guilty" and of course, if there is reason without a doubt. Ive seen/heard of cases that were complete bullshit though. A reasonable doubt means alot of different things to alot of different people.


    I must disagree with you on the low amount of people who go to jail unjustly statement. It happens more often and more frequently than you might think.




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  • FahkaFahka Posts: 3,187
    I've never done it... Once I was called, but away at school, and I was just going to be selected in March, but I deferred to May because of work obligations. I'm sure that I will get called in May because I deferred.

    I won't have a problem serving if I get selected, and will take it very seriously and try my best to enter with an open mind. I would want jurors taking the same approach if I had to appear in court at some point in my life.

    I really don't understand you saying that you would "have to vote NOT GUILTY" because of some fear of convicting an innocent person. How would you feel if you were on the victim side of something, and the jury just let your attacker go because they were afraid?

    If anything, my fear would be the opposite if it was a violent crime. I would be afraid that we let a someone guilty go, and they went out and hurt someone else.


    The same could be said for the other end of the spectrum. What happens if you are on trial for murder. Lets say your an american indian and someone in the jury just so happens to hate native americans. Im just saying ... People are crazy and i dont trust a one of em! :P




    Personally i just hope i dont ever have to deal with it... Its just something i don't feel comfy with.. if that makes me a cop out or a weenie.. so be it i guess
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Every year i get freaked out that i might have to do jury duty. Everyone always says "just sound like a biased idiot" and u can get out of it. It still freaks me out though.



    If i was "forced" into doing so, i would have to vote NOT GUILTY , no matter the case. Only because you see it happen so much. Some guy goes to prision for ten years only to be found not guilty years later.

    I just find it very frightening that a country who was supposedly founded upon GOD (which in christian belief, there is no judge other than god himself).. Chooses to have random people decide the fate of another person.


    Am i wrong in thinking its a little fucked up? Don't get me wrong, im not trying to bash the system (as fucked as it may be) It just doesnt feel right to me for some reason. More importantly, how do you feel about jury duty? Would it be hard to have the weight of someone's life on your shoulders? Does your religion come into play with any of it? Have you had any good/bad expirence serving jury duty?


    - Mandi

    I don't think it's as screwed up as you do. In fact, I have jury duty for the 3rd time in 5 years starting in a couple of weeks.

    I know for a fact that I could not sentence someone to death, but outside of that you just have to listen to the testimony and make a decision based upon the evidence.

    The one trial I've actually been selected for went like this. We heard the evidence and went to deliberate. I was one of the last to agree to the verdict of guilty. Then the sentencing phase started and we found out he'd been convicted of the same crime 3 or 4 other times.

    I'm very religious, but I don't really see the connection between religion and jury duty.
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  • FahkaFahka Posts: 3,187
    know1 wrote:
    I don't think it's as screwed up as you do. In fact, I have jury duty for the 3rd time in 5 years starting in a couple of weeks.

    I know for a fact that I could not sentence someone to death, but outside of that you just have to listen to the testimony and make a decision based upon the evidence.

    The one trial I've actually been selected for went like this. We heard the evidence and went to deliberate. I was one of the last to agree to the verdict of guilty. Then the sentencing phase started and we found out he'd been convicted of the same crime 3 or 4 other times.

    I'm very religious, but I don't really see the connection between religion and jury duty.



    I guess i just figured religion affects everything for most people. Sorry if i was wrong about that :)
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    I didnt say that i thought people shouldnt judge other people, just the idea of it all kind seems frightening to me.. Contradictory if you will lol


    Trust me, i understand there is a legal system for a reason. Just me personally (and yes its probably due to being young and never being on a jury) I feel that it would be a big weight to me to sit and decide someones fate. Unless the person says "hey im guilty" and of course, if there is reason without a doubt. Ive seen/heard of cases that were complete bullshit though. A reasonable doubt means alot of different things to alot of different people.


    I must disagree with you on the low amount of people who go to jail unjustly statement. It happens more often and more frequently than you might think.




    http://www.innocenceproject.org/

    Contradictory to what? Who exactly do you think should decide if someone is guilty or not guilty? I am not sure why it seems frightening, all you have to do is decide if the prosecution had enough evidence to prove someone committed a crime. Technically the defense doesn't even have to do anything. I agree that "reasonable doubt" means different things to different people, but that is why there are 12 people and they have to make a unanimous decision.

    As far as that site you posted. On it their are profiles for 215 people who they think are not guilty going back as far as 1991. How many millions of criminal cases have happened since 1991. No where on their site have I found any stats that indicate the percentage of cases where people are wrongfully convinced, which is why I still think it is probably a pretty low number (especially when you look at how many people on trial are repeat offenders).
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  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    You THINK its a low number ;) ... just as i think there is nothing "low" about anyone being unjustly sentenced... Its not something stats would be helpful in..... these are all very different and specific cases ... Of course not everyone is innocent... Im just saying, i see different people pop up on that site every single day... So im assuming its more than just a couple here and there... Im only going by what ive witnessed myself.

    I think stats would totally be helpful when looking at this situation. I mean if one person out of a million gets wrongfully convicted then yes that sucks, but it is a way different situation than on in ten people getting convicted wrongfully.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    A teenager shot a pregnant woman and a baby here a couple of months ago.

    There were two psychologists, one said he was mentally unstable, the other said he wasn't. Now twelve random people needed to decide who was right, the first "specialist" or the second.

    Are these people qualified to make that decision?
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I guess i just figured religion affects everything for most people. Sorry if i was wrong about that :)

    You're not wrong about it at all. I never really thought about it from the "judge not, lest ye be judged" perspective and there probably is some merit in that.

    I think my opinion about how sitting on a jury relates to that instruction from the bible is that on a jury we're judging from an earthly perspective with earthly consequences and I think the bible is speaking about judging from a heavenly perspective with heavenly consequences.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Every year i get freaked out that i might have to do jury duty. Everyone always says "just sound like a biased idiot" and u can get out of it. It still freaks me out though.



    If i was "forced" into doing so, i would have to vote NOT GUILTY , no matter the case. Only because you see it happen so much. Some guy goes to prision for ten years only to be found not guilty years later.

    I just find it very frightening that a country who was supposedly founded upon GOD (which in christian belief, there is no judge other than god himself).. Chooses to have random people decide the fate of another person.


    Am i wrong in thinking its a little fucked up? Don't get me wrong, im not trying to bash the system (as fucked as it may be) It just doesnt feel right to me for some reason. More importantly, how do you feel about jury duty? Would it be hard to have the weight of someone's life on your shoulders? Does your religion come into play with any of it? Have you had any good/bad expirence serving jury duty?


    - Mandi

    You HAVE to go....cause if you were being convicted you'd want someone like yourself in the jury. There are alot of folks that are guilty.....but to your point....live in Texas...and if I was appointed to a case that had the possibility of capital punishment, I'd be excluded cause I don't believe in capital punishment.....even though I should lie then get on Jury and make sure person dosn't get the chair. Been selected twice and both times didn't make it to a jury for different reasons. BUT will always go and support everyone going....its your duty...and its the best system we have.
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  • I understand that it is hard to make these decisions, but if you are called to serve on a jury, I don't feel you should already be pre-determined that you are going to vote not guilty.

    I was once on a murder trial jury and two of the jurorist had decided what they were going to vote on in advance. Despite the majority voting guilty, it was declared a hung jury. I have no idea if the defendant was set free or if he was put on trial again.
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  • yokeyoke Posts: 1,440
    If I had to I would, and I don't think I would be happy about it at first but it is my civic duty and I will get over it. My wife just got done with a Grand Jury stint of every Thurs for 18 weeks. All of those cases are drug cases she said. Every now and then they got a domestic but 90% was drug busts.
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