David Ray Griffin's Debunking 9/11 Debunking
walkthamile
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The 9/11 truth movement is looking pretty ominous at his point...
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/10/08/01871.html
Seriously, there needs to be an independent investigation...for or against the official story, some more questions need to be answered...
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/10/08/01871.html
Seriously, there needs to be an independent investigation...for or against the official story, some more questions need to be answered...
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But then none of them were allowed to conduct the investigations properly so it would be hard to come up with the truth.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
of course people are open to alternative realities. but just because someone says monkeys will fly out of their ass doesnt mean I should be open to the idea that its reality. I took time to consider it, but I know its not true.
people like you need to understand that just because our government failed to stop 9/11 from happening doesnt automatically mean they were in on it.
Do you believe popular mechnics and things of that ilk or do think it needs to be reinvestigated independently away from the goverment?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
This bit is interesting.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
or visa versa.
what did you mean by took time? did you actually read all the counter arguments such as the one presented by this author?
if you think people like me think 9/11 was an inside job because the gov't failed to stop it - it would explain why you don't understand people like me ...
it never has nor will be that simple ... there is lots to filter and interpret ...
popular mechanics isnt a government run entity. it shouldnt be automatically discredited because some distant relative of bush used to work there.
and yes there are some indisputable facts from the report. and yes lets reinvestigate it to death. people like you will still never believe it unless it comes from the mouth of alex jones, so what does it matter
what is vice versa?
are you serious?
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/vice-versa.html
I can't just ask you a question without you throwing a little digin, can i.
I didn't mean popular mechnics is a goverment entity they are a magazine and they hold no water with me as they have been proved to lie.
What has alex jones got to do with anything i said? I was mearly asking if you thought a reinvestigation was worthy, do you just ignore the facts that the investigation's by NIST and FEMA were not conducted properly?
Hell if people have spoken out that were involved in these investigations and have said that this or that wasn't right are they now to be ignored because you are comfortable with incomplete reports?
Oh that version will do even though it's not true, it's easy to swallow, i like it so i'll stick with it.
I mean come on what i linked to above was interesting the phone calls could not have been made and indeed were not used as evidence in court doesn't that make you wonder just a little bit?
I would like to see reinvestigation by people with no connection the bush administration.
Do you ever read counter arguments? And i'm not talking alex jones either.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
i meant what is vice-versa to seeing an alternative reality ... i spelt it correctly vs. what paco wrote - i know what it means ...
the official report is based on evidence admissable in court. evidence that is real. 6 years later no one has submitted any evidence to the contrary. we've all seen manufactured evidence but we have to remember; whatever evidence being brought to the table must be admissable in court. those are the rules we play by.
Some people automatically insist they know what I believe, probably because they like to label things, or over organize their sock drawers of something.
The biggest crime ever committed in North America, and it was all whisked away asap to be melted down or buried (body parts included).
In any event, the original investigation is badly lacking in some very key areas.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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they could have 6 different independent investigations and every single one would come up with different theories and interpretations and analyses of the evidence. and people would find flaws with all of them. it would accomplish nothing except an extravagant waste of money. the investigation was shoddily done becos people were trying to cover their asses for gross negligence in their duties. but the gist of the story seems eminently credible to me. those who fucked up know what they did and will respond. the rest of us just want a more satisfying and dramatic conclusion in keeping with out addiction to such stories in our pop culture... james bond, jason bourne, aliens, area 51, big foot, etc.
i believe the us shot down flight 93 and the rebellion was a feel good hero story that was fabricated. i believe there were egregious lapses in our defense agencies. but i do not believe that the government could have pulled off a huge inside job and blown up the buildings themselves with no one being the wiser as a means to get oil. it's a plot so thin as to stretch the credibility of anything but an m night shalayn movie.
how do you explain the phone recordings from the passengers on board that said they were getting ready to rush the cockpit?
if a missile from a f-16 shot the plane it would have been blown to pieces. so how did a crater, in the shape of a plane, appear in the ground?
I also don't believe there would be an reason to deny or hide the fact that it was shot down. the government would have more to gain then lose by telling the truth. I think Americans would happily accept that we did shoot it down in order to save the possibility of the capitol building or white house being hit. killing hundreds or thousands more.
agree 100%
You must have better missiles then those Russians did when they brought down the Korean airliner, as that was still intact when it went to the sea.
A lot of firsts that day I see. The builidings, new weapons that blow a airliner to bits. Yeah!
Did I say that right?
I need a nap:D
If you do that, I shall debunk you.
thank you. Rare to see so much common sense about this issue on this board.
one thing that bugs me about the whole "the gov't blew up the towers" statement: why have planes fly into the buildings, just to blow them up later in the morning? why not just blow up the buildings and tell the public "someone must have planted bombs to destroy the buildings." it's not like that hasn't happened before, in '93. crashing planes into buildings you're going to blow up just doesn't make any sense to me.
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Yes but that way no one will believe they were blown up.
Because that would beg the question of how could a bunch of terists get in to wire them all up unoticed.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Well if they could get tailed all the way around the world and then suddenly get lost in the USA. With an inept security department, anything is possible.
Planes add to the visual needed to sell the package.
but you already believe someone planted bombs throughout both buildings. apparently that went unnoticed????
I didn't say i believe that jlew so not sure what your point it.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.