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What happens when there is no water???

melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
edited February 2008 in A Moving Train
When provided with continuous nourishment, trees, like people, grow complacent.

Tree-ring scientists use the word to describe trees like those on the floor of the Colorado River Valley, whose roots tap into thick reservoirs of moist soil. Complacent trees aren't much use for learning about climate history, because they pack on wide new rings of wood even in dry years. To find trees that feel the same climatic pulses as the river, trees whose rings widen and narrow from year to year with the river itself, scientists have to climb up the steep, rocky slopes above the valley and look for gnarled, ugly trees, the kind that loggers ignore. For some reason such "sensitive" trees seem to live longer than the complacent ones. "Maybe you can get too much of a good thing," says Dave Meko

ngm article can be found here: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/2008-02/drying-west/kunzig-text.html


and this is what Congress is doing: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Clean_Water_Restoration_Act_of_2007
all insanity:
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
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  • bingerbinger Posts: 179
    Water wars!!! Wooohooo!!! Along with oil wars...futures so bright, I gotta wear shades.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    eh the herd needs to be thinned out anyway
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    there I did my part.


    http://www.wateruseitwisely.com/100ways/index.shtml



    I'm thirsty, see ya later.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    No water=extinction for all.

    Read in the paper today, that the U.S. state of Georgia is trying to have its border with Tennessee re-drawn where it can lay claim to water in the Tennessee River. :rolleyes: Atlanta is going to drain three of the states bordering Georgia (Alabama, Florida and Tennessee, if it gets its way) of a lot of "shared" water.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    binger wrote:
    Water wars!!! Wooohooo!!! Along with oil wars...futures so bright, I gotta wear shades.
    I read predictions about water wars back in 2005, by Stan Goff....

    I noticed at my local water company a new sign on the tower stating something like this: "Anyone caught tampering with this faciltiy will be subjected to federal prosecution".... Ah, the Homeland security, a fresh new wave...

    I think this means that people who own individual water rights are in for trouble...
    all insanity:
    a derivitive of nature.
    nature is god
    god is love
    love is light
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    melodious wrote:
    I noticed at my local water company a new sign on the tower stating something like this: "Anyone caught tampering with this faciltiy will be subjected to federal prosecution".... Ah, the Homeland security, a fresh new wave...
    Those signs have more to do with 9/11/2001 than the future.....National Geographic has talking about water and its coming scarcity in the early 1990s.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    Yes...I do believe all of that is happening is interlinked...

    I always remember my BABS Management....a technique to gather support for managerial change is to create a sense of urgency.......
    all insanity:
    a derivitive of nature.
    nature is god
    god is love
    love is light
  • pickupyourwillpickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    ....
  • KosmicJelliKosmicJelli Posts: 1,855
    When water starts to dry up... people in the US will start moving to the great lakes area with straws in hand...


    Where is my Aquafina?
  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    not if there's a tank and razor fence built around them; and you know how the US loves to build those fences.....


    good day...
    all insanity:
    a derivitive of nature.
    nature is god
    god is love
    love is light
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    pickupyourwill wrote:
    what hapapens when there is no water?

    well, I read an article today about NASA possibly in the works of preparing the moon and Mars for humankind so we could form colonies there in the far off future and what not. so maybe that's an option and not just science fiction anymore. wouldn't it be weird if the star wars saga really did come true hundreds of years from now--then that would make George Lucas like a Nostradamus of sorts, right?

    well that's my 2 cents anyway. Hopefully earth won't dry up and die before then. :)
    The problem with either the moon or Mars is that we would have to take our water with us to both places.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    tybird wrote:
    The problem with either the moon or Mars is that we would have to take our water with us to both places.

    Actually I read an article in an engineering journal awhile back about how they take care of that on the international space station. Since storage space is a huge issue on the ISS, bringing up fresh water requires a ton of energy and dumping water out into space can actually cause problems they actually manage to recycle almost all of their waste water (including human waste and humidity in the air caused by breathing) and reuse it as drinking and washing water.

    I don't think "running out" of water will be a problem. I think people are just going to have to decide how much they want to pay for water. I mean if droughts get bad enough is every big costal city could build a desalinization plant, but the question is, are people going to want to pay for it, when water has typically been free or at least almost free.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    mars already has water
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,210
    MrSmith wrote:
    mars already has water

    It's frozen at the caps right.

    Peace
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  • KosmicJelliKosmicJelli Posts: 1,855
    Still havent figured out why we dont want to fix what we have here... hmmm... what fucking idiot decided that we should move on to colonize other planets when we havent cleaned up our mess here????
  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    Why? Your presence will help fix all....

    Even space as a new frontier, will cost a token to attain...it's like grasping at straw to find a resolution for my generation as well as my forefather's greed and waste...please go read my last post at Finding God and this pretty well 'xplains it all....

    money, money, money....



    I wonder if they will follow history's lead and send all of us )felons( up there first!
    all insanity:
    a derivitive of nature.
    nature is god
    god is love
    love is light
  • Im still hereIm still here Posts: 826
    MrSmith wrote:
    eh the herd needs to be thinned out anyway

    this is the most maniacal and ill informed response I have seen anyone post to a forum

    thin the herd, huh?

    maybe we should start with you

    WTF????????
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  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    maniacal

    how da ya pronounce that? ;)
    all insanity:
    a derivitive of nature.
    nature is god
    god is love
    love is light
  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    melodious wrote:
    ngm article can be found here: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/2008-02/drying-west/kunzig-text.html


    and this is what Congress is doing: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Clean_Water_Restoration_Act_of_2007

    i brought up this same topic months ago.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=260676

    for the record- the naysayers are gonna be freakin' thirsty if they come looking for water at my house. :p
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Im still here wrote:
    this is the most maniacal and ill informed response I have seen anyone post to a forum

    thin the herd, huh?

    maybe we should start with you

    WTF????????

    Well the book that inspired Do the Evolution, Ishmael, pretty much had the same theme that sometimes the herd needs thinning in times of scarcity and the herd will thrive in times of abundance and that's how evolution occurs out so I guess you think the song and the book that helped inspire Yield is ignorant. ;)
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  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    Solat13 wrote:
    Well the book that inspired Do the Evolution, Ishmael, pretty much had the same theme that sometimes the herd needs thinning in times of scarcity and the herd will thrive in times of abundance and that's how evolution occurs out so I guess you think the song and the book that helped inspire Yield is ignorant. ;)

    OMG.

    DON'T.

    SAY.

    "EVOLUTION".

    IN.

    A.

    POST.

    TO.

    IM STILL HERE.


    Let the bible thumping begin. :rolleyes:
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
  • Im still hereIm still here Posts: 826
    melodious wrote:
    how da ya pronounce that? ;)

    look in the dictionary dumbass
    PEARL JAM~Lubbock, TX. 10~18~00
    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • Im still hereIm still here Posts: 826
    Solat13 wrote:
    Well the book that inspired Do the Evolution, Ishmael, pretty much had the same theme that sometimes the herd needs thinning in times of scarcity and the herd will thrive in times of abundance and that's how evolution occurs out so I guess you think the song and the book that helped inspire Yield is ignorant. ;)

    Evolution is a lie

    would you like some links to prove this?

    would you like to be educated about the lie you call Evoluion?

    maybe you came from a Monkey, your intelligence shows that maybe, just maybe you did come from a Monkey, I know I did not

    idiots are out in full force today

    fuckin shit
    PEARL JAM~Lubbock, TX. 10~18~00
    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Im still here wrote:
    this is the most maniacal and ill informed response I have seen anyone post to a forum

    thin the herd, huh?

    maybe we should start with you

    WTF????????

    i enjoy irritating you
  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    sweetpotato wrote:
    OMG.

    DON'T.

    SAY.

    "EVOLUTION".

    IN.

    A.

    POST.

    TO.

    IM STILL HERE.


    Let the bible thumping begin. :rolleyes:


    i hate to say i told ya so... :p
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    Im still here wrote:
    idiots are out in full force today

    hence, YOU are still here. :)
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    sweetpotato wrote:
    OMG.

    DON'T.

    SAY.

    "EVOLUTION".

    IN.

    A.

    POST.

    TO.

    IM STILL HERE.


    Let the bible thumping begin. :rolleyes:
    please do....thump, that is!!!
    all insanity:
    a derivitive of nature.
    nature is god
    god is love
    love is light
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Tank Girl.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv_Ld0qilr4
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Im still here wrote:
    maybe you came from a Monkey, your intelligence shows that maybe, just maybe you did come from a Monkey, I know I did not

    idiots are out in full force today

    fuckin shit
    oh dear. welcome to a moving train. reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new - another happy day in paradise :)

    but seriously. monkeys are awesome. i am fascinated by them. i love monkeys. maybe that's what's wrong with me ;)
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