for those of you whom it may concern: civilian slave state

melodious

I've been wandering around a bit lately and thought this might be of interest. This document might be worth a view.

http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf

OutOfBreath

I just gave the first few pages a cursory glance. But from what I could gather, it was about using prisoners (civilian, not military ones) for doing stuff at military bases. Or does it get worse further into it?

Peace
Dan

melodious

thank you...it's a document that should be saved and read at your discretion..of course i don't expect you to read the entire document at once, but what i'm trying to convey is that our courntry is headed for martial law and complete legalized shuffling and stripping our constitiution.

this document supports a connect the dots theory that all the topics that are discussed here at pj are interrelated to a master plan. thanks again becasue soonafter the INS and ICE get their first tier of slave labor, my people--the mexicanos, they will go after another minrority group to encamp more free labor in these camps that they have built all over the u.s.

and as far as the INS and ICE programs are concerned, this shit is getting horrid...it's far worse than I ever could have predicted when I started singing abotu this almost two years ago....

i am an amercian citizen that still believes in people and not corportate rule;

what exactly do you think happens to these people?????? do you think they should be put in jail and used?

OutOfBreath

Not sure what you are on about. What I read (admittedly not a lot of it), seemed to be a contingency plan by the military to employ civilian convicts as a work force, like chain gangs or something like that.

I dont see how it connects to locking up ethnic groups in camps, really. Or what the point would be. They already are available as dirt cheap labour, if you go down that road.

But give me some highlights of that document, if you have read it through, or tip me off at what pages it gets interesting. I wont read through that whole thing, written in bureocratic legalese as it is.

But of course, whether civilian inmates are to be employed in the military system is a big debate in itself, and questionable.

Peace
Dan

melodious

if army can oversee civilian prisoners, then doesn't prisoners become product of u.s army...doesn't that mean that there will be no trial by jury, only trial by tribune; ie no rights????

OutOfBreath

melodious wrote:

if army can oversee civilian prisoners, then doesn't prisoners become product of u.s army...doesn't that mean that there will be no trial by jury, only trial by tribune; ie no rights????

I read it as the military employing already convicted prisoners through due process as day-labour at their facilities. Not unproblematic, of course, but it's a bit of a strecth from this, and to enslaving the population bit by bit.

But again, if you have read it, and found things that makes it worse, I invite you to point them out to me. I still see it as a contingency plan by the military to employ chain-gangs of prisoners who have been convicted through diue process in a crisis.

Peace
Dan

enharmonic

I'm not the one to ask about prisoners and their rights. It is the one fatal flaw in the constitution if you ask me...especially in the face of social systems that are now looked upon as guarantees in prison.

I believe in progressive denial of rights based on severity of an offense AFTER due process has been afforded the accused. Everyone has a right to "innocent until proven guilty", but once guilt has been determined through due process, the sacrifice of freedom should also include the sacrifice of rights.

If you murder someone, you are taking away their rights...all of 'em...permanently. What makes your life worth any more than the one you took away? Same with rapists, and all felony crimes of violence.

Inmate labor camps would be the least of a violent offender's worries if I were running the show.

melodious

not when all crimes and punishment blend from civilian and military....well, i put the document out there..and only time will tell.

OutOfBreath

enharmonic wrote:

Inmate labor camps would be the least of a violent offender's worries if I were running the show.

OK, now you scare me.

Peace
Dan

enharmonic

OutOfBreath wrote:

OK, now you scare me.

Peace
Dan

Don't be afraid. So long as you don't rape, murder, or commit any other felonious act of violence against another human being, you'd be perfectly safe.

The only benefit I would advocate for all prisoners is a prison literacy program, since a lot of crime is driven by an inability to obtain and hold a job due to literacy issues.

JamMastaE

enharmonic wrote:

Don't be afraid. So long as you don't rape, murder, or commit any other felonious act of violence against another human being, you'd be perfectly safe.

The only benefit I would advocate for all prisoners is a prison literacy program, since a lot of crime is driven by an inability to obtain and hold a job due to literacy issues.

aren't you the benevolent soul.these camps would be for political dissidents also,so unless your a boot licker you are a potential inmate.

RavennaSeattle1911

terry anderson some black talk radio guy in la, is against illegal aliens and he posted emails he gets

hate mail

supposedly a mexican sent one threatening to enslave the blacks again

the mexicans ,some, hate the blacks

http://www.theterryandersonshow.com/

http://www.theterryandersonshow.com/MAIL-IN/00WeGetE-Mail.html#070102

RavennaSeattle1911

and i heard mil-bush is hiring criminils even ,who are illegal aliens, meanwhile he says he beleives in the rule of law ,which says its illegal to hire them

both sides of mouth work better i suppose

OutOfBreath

enharmonic wrote:

Don't be afraid. So long as you don't rape, murder, or commit any other felonious act of violence against another human being, you'd be perfectly safe.

Well, vengeance doesnt sit right with me. Not like that, anyway. This is also assuming that due process has been followed, and the decision to be absolutely accurate. That won't happen either. So I won't treat a conviction for murder as a free ticket to enslave them and take away all their rights. Lock them up, sure.

The only benefit I would advocate for all prisoners is a prison literacy program, since a lot of crime is driven by an inability to obtain and hold a job due to literacy issues.

Couldn't hurt, but wouldn't solve too much either, is my guess.

Peace
Dan

sapperskunk

JamMastaE wrote:

aren't you the benevolent soul.these camps would be for political dissidents also,so unless your a boot licker you are a potential inmate.

What page and section is that, I didn't see it?

enharmonic

JamMastaE wrote:

aren't you the benevolent soul.these camps would be for political dissidents also,so unless your a boot licker you are a potential inmate.

Aren't we all?

Thank your political leaders. 50 years from now...can't pay your taxes? Well, clearly you must be an enemy of the state. Lets stick you in this camp so you can work off your debt to Uncle Sam.

The writing is on the wall. :(