food for thought: finances

melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/28/147/

and here is a reader's response that was of particular interest....

After reading the previous six posts to this excellent article, I have the following to contribute to this discussion:

It is high time that we common taxpayers in America recognize the obvious fact that we live in a corporatocracy. The U.S. Government does not regulate the corporations it does business with……rather, it is very much the other way around. Possibly forever.

Wall Street and its corporate heavyweights, with the defense industry leading the charge, has thousands of lobbyists per elected official in D.C. THEY have our government bought and paid for, both parties, the press, the courts, all of it….FOREVER……just like Ike warned us about the rise of the military industrial complex over 50 years ago, and JFK lost his life for in an effort to disengage America from the escalation in Vietnam. War makes these monsters rich and it pays the bills…..so America will have wars forever and the propaganda and fear that perpetual war requires to compel the citizens to relenquish their rights and taxes.

As individuals who ethically object to the usurption of the Constitution and the “social contract” between America’s taxpayers and government, we can either mourn our impotence against the big war machine, or as individuals we can take action.

Wanna fight back? Cancel your excess cable, internet, xm radio channels etc. (each one is taxed) Buy less taxable merchandise, buy a non-hybrid fuel efficient car (uses less taxable gas) plant a garden and EAT FROM IT to deny petrochemical conglomerates the opportunity to make more pesticides and fertilizers for agribusiness…….

buy used and second hand irems of like-new quality to deny these corporations the opportunity to manufacture more crap and the gubbymint to charge you sales tax.

Pay off your debts to deny the banking industry late-fees, surcharges and userous-like interest to invest in the war machine on Wall Street.

Make less money, pay less taxes, make your money under the table to keep it out of the war machine’s grubby hands.

Put your money in a local bank or credit union so the big banks cannot count your deposits as leverage in order to fund ever growing military industrial expansion via Wall Street.

Sell your house and RENT….deny your local and state governments their exorbitant property taxes…..

Don’t break the law, just pay less taxes any way that you can. If a thousand, a million, ten million, a hundred million Americans engage in this activity…….the government coffers will have less cash for the war machine to raid every time there’s another dubious reason for America to attack a soverign country.

The corporate-fed beast of industrial militarization is out of the cage in America. It is literally the only major industry we have left…..WAR….let us starve it into dormancy NOW before our children no longer know what it is like to live without fear in a world that appreciates the character of America’s citizens.

Or just don’t do anything, like most people in this commuter nation of Wal Mart junkies, and see if it gets better (NOT
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    you do realize, all corporate taxes are always passed on to individuals anyway right?

    Embedded taxes.

    Corporations never have paid taxes, sure it's on the books that way, but individuals pay the entire load, they just encorporate their taxes in the price of goods and services.


    The best idea I've seen so far is the fair tax system. That's the only system I've read that really actually gives people a choice in how they spend their tax money.

    After we change the tax system then we can start forcing the people in power to spend money in the right places and stop this BS tax lobbying system with you scratch our back and we'll scratch yours campain contributions for tax breaks shit.

    I agree with your premise that the tax system and the corporate lobbies are fucked, but there are good ways to abolish the IRS and make it work out for everybody.... well everyone but politicans and accountants relying on the ridiculous time consuming confusing mess of a tax code we have now to keep them employeed and in power.

    Oh, for the record, please do not rent, you are still paying taxes, it's imbedded into the cost of your rent.

    Renting, is one of the worst things you can possibly do for your finances.

    also as an aside, Used goods are not taxed through the fair tax. check it out, I think you would dig it.

    http://www.fairtax.org.
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  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    sorry to clog up your E-mail, but we had a change of plans:





    SHUT DOWN THE WAR MACHINE



    TUESDAY, MAY 1st, 1-5 PM,

    AT LUCERNE HARBOR PARK ON HIGHWAY 20



    SKIP SCHOOL

    CALL IN SICK FOR WORK



    We have scheduled a time that is both before school is over and after it ends so that students can ride the school bus to the protest…



    OUR GOAL IS TO GET AT LEAST 200 PEOPLE TO SHOW



    We encourage people across the political spectrum to join Lake County Youth Action (LCYA) on Tuesday, May 1st, 1-5 PM, at Lucerne Harbor Park for an open mike to discuss the causes and effects of war. This will be a potluck event with music and food.



    Please help get the word out…



    If you want to help, then

    SIGN OUR ONLINE PETITION PLEDGING TO SHOW UP:

    groups.myspace.com/lakecountyyouthaction



    And E-mail:

    radicaljusticeman@yahoo.com



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  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    you do realize, all corporate taxes are always passed on to individuals anyway right?

    Embedded taxes.

    Corporations never have paid taxes, sure it's on the books that way, but individuals pay the entire load, they just encorporate their taxes in the price of goods and services.


    The best idea I've seen so far is the fair tax system. That's the only system I've read that really actually gives people a choice in how they spend their tax money.

    After we change the tax system then we can start forcing the people in power to spend money in the right places and stop this BS tax lobbying system with you scratch our back and we'll scratch yours campain contributions for tax breaks shit.

    I agree with your premise that the tax system and the corporate lobbies are fucked, but there are good ways to abolish the IRS and make it work out for everybody.... well everyone but politicans and accountants relying on the ridiculous time consuming confusing mess of a tax code we have now to keep them employeed and in power.

    Oh, for the record, please do not rent, you are still paying taxes, it's imbedded into the cost of your rent.

    Renting, is one of the worst things you can possibly do for your finances.

    also as an aside, Used goods are not taxed through the fair tax. check it out, I think you would dig it.

    http://www.fairtax.org.
    thank you for this link...not trying to debate; never could and probably never will be able to rationalize like so many find minded souls out there...again, i thank you for response..

    it seems mainstream news is trying to distract thinkers by posing all these human interest stories to create smoke screens...we are in big trouble...peace...and love from atleast within me heart....always..

    p.s. thanks for insights about paying taxes within rent..this is point i disagreed with as well...i say pay off mortgages ASAP...and keep your money in your own pocket...why make someone else rich..you will need all the resouces you can get in future...get out of credit racket...i can not push getting out of credit racket enough....
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  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    Melodious, where's Lucerne Park? What state?
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  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    lake county, california...lucerne is a town that is located on hiway20...between i5 and i101

    i hope you all will send rjm an email to pump him for his efforts; he is 15 year-old home schooled youth...

    thank you...

    and if anyone chooses you can make mention that this was posted here...thanks again...
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